So by my calcs, the Pacers are a touch over the cap...

[MNPacersfan]

So by my calcs, the Pacers are a touch over the cap (see below) and that means they have a $5.0 mill exception and veterans mins to go. What would you think of this:

Split the exception money between Ian Mahinmi and Shannon Brown and offer the vetmin to Fesenko (or any number of these lower tier guys: http://hoopshype.com/free_agency/centers.htm).

It would offer tons of short minute front court depth and would also sure up the back court a little. Brown would be a pretty nice backup option to PG. That's what I think anyway.

The only other thing that they really have available is a S+T using Barbosa. I'm not sure who would want him though, or what would be coming back...
Here are the SG rankings from Hoopshype in case you're interested: http://hoopshype.com/free_agency/shooting_guards.htm

Roy Hibbert - 14,511,000
Danny Granger - 13,058,606
David West - 10,000,000
George Hill - 6,886,589
Tyler Hansbrough - 3,055,259
Dahntay Jones - 2,900,000
Paul George - 2,574,120
Darren Collison - 2,319,344
Jeff Pendergraph - 1,500,000
Miles Plumlee - 1,073,280
Lance Stephenson - 915,243
Orlando Johnson - 473,604

TOTAL = 59,267,045 with an NBA cap of 58,044,000

Roy Hibbert's salary is 25% of the cap (max) so this assumes that the Pacers are going to ink the same deal they were willing to match.
George Hill's salary assumes $40 mill in total over 5 years with the NBA's max 7.5% raises each year.
Johnson's salary listed is the NBA minimum salary for a player with 0 years of experience, it could only be larger than this.
Salaries are from here:
http://www.hoopsworld.com/indiana-pacers-team-salary
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine
hhttp://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-minimum-salaries

[Granger da OG]

your calcs are wrong because we havent signed Hill and Hibbert yet. We will add a piece before we sign them

[Scoot McGroot]

your calcs are wrong because we havent signed Hill and Hibbert yet. We will add a piece before we sign them

Correct. As of right now, the cap hold for Hibbert is $6.47 million and George Hill is $3.85 million. That clears about $11 million under the cap. Hibbert and Hill don't jump in value until they actually sign their contract. Thus, Indy could spend up to $11 million on free agents before re-signing Hibbert and Hill.

Also, Portland is now reportedly not even going to have Hibbert sign the offer sheet since Indy will match and they don't want their cap held.

I'm all for a Mayo at the wings, a Mahinmi as veteran at center, and originally I wanted a Hinrich at PG.

[8305]

Mayo is an interesting possibility. Lots of interesting scenarios if you add him to this roster. I could see him commanding a salary in the range of what George Hill got. If he could recapture promise he showed his first two years you could really have something. The additional big and third point guard could be added once we've seen the play during the Summer League.

All that said, I wonder what everyone is thinking when lance kills it in the Summer League? From what I saw of game 2 there isn't much differenece between Mayo and Lance. I know there is the idiot factor to consider with Lance but at some point do the Pacers need to suck it up and give Lance minutes for half a season and see what happens?

[MNPacersfan]

Ronnie Brewer was just waived. Any thoughts?

[MNPacersfan]

Correct. As of right now, the cap hold for Hibbert is $6.47 million and George Hill is $3.85 million. That clears about $11 million under the cap. Hibbert and Hill don't jump in value until they actually sign their contract. Thus, Indy could spend up to $11 million on free agents before re-signing Hibbert and Hill.

Oh yeah, I was plugging them in right away.
Where did you get the cap hold numbers? Hoopsworld has Hibbert's hold at 7.766 and Hill at 6.259 (http://www.hoopsworld.com/indiana-pacers-team-salary). So from there, renouncing Barbosa and Amundson would put the Pacers 6.1 mill under the cap. That should be enough for Mayo...
Then the exception could be split between a big and some PG insurance (Mahinmi and Dooling?)...

[count55]

Hoopsworld is pretty much always wrong. Shamsports is more reliable.

Also, once they're at the cap, they won't get a $5mm exception. They lost that when they dropped so far below the cap this summer. They would have a $2.6 "room" exception they could offer.

And the cap space based on Hill and Hibbert's holds is really closer to $9.4mm, because you have to factor in Plumlee's deal and roster charges.

[MNPacersfan]

Hoopsworld is pretty much always wrong. Shamsports is more reliable.

Also, once they're at the cap, they won't get a $5mm exception. They lost that when they dropped so far below the cap this summer. They would have a $2.6 "room" exception they could offer.

And the cap space based on Hill and Hibbert's holds is really closer to $9.4mm, because you have to factor in Plumlee's deal and roster charges.

Ahh, I'll check there in the future.
I'm so confused by the CBA, I thought that part of what they were trying to do is stop penalizing teams for being under the cap, but they still don't get the $5 mill exception? That seems like a penalty. I had Plumlee and Johnson in my number and assumed that the holds on the others (Barbosa, Amundson and Fesenko) would be renounced.

[jowglenn]

Well, clearly we need a backup point guard. That has to be our primary need now that we've traded Collison.

I have already put my hat in the ring for Aaron Brooks - I feel like we can have the best backup PG in the league, on a fantastic contract, and get huge production from the guy. He'd be perfect.

[granger05]

Danny Granger - 13,058,606 (from shamsports)
David West - 10,000,000 (from shamsports)
Tyler Hansbrough - 3,055,259 (from shamsports)
Paul George - 2,574,120 (from shamsports)
Jeff Pendergraph - 1,500,000 (from shamsports)
Miles Plumlee - 1,073,280 (??? from MNPacersfan's original post)
Lance Stephenson - 870,000 (from shamsports)
Orlando Johnson - 473,604 (??? from MNPacersfan's original post)

Roy Hibbert (cap hold) - 6,471,475 (from shamsports)
George Hill (cap hold) - 3,851,158 (from shamsports)

DJ Augustin - 3,500,000 (widely reported today)
Gerald Green - 3,333,333 (probably less with raises each year but who knows...based on 10m/3)
Ian Mahinmi - 4,000,000 (again, probably less with raises but who knows how they're structured yet...based on 16m/4)

That's 13 players and a total salary of 53,760,835 (give or take for the rookie deals and the guesses at Mahinmi and Green's starting values). The cap is set to 58,044,000 so that leaves us about 4 million bucks to grab one more guy. It seems like we could still use another proven SG before we finish up the offseason by getting signatures on Hibbert's and Hill's deals.

Hill/Augustin/Lance
PG/Lance/Orlando
Granger/{PG}/Green
West/Hansbrough/Plumlee/Pendergraph
Hibbert/Mahinmi/Plumlee

We seem to be overstocked with PFs. Maybe we can make a trade with Houston?

[Scoot McGroot]

I would guess that Green and Mahinmi will get traditional deals of 4.5% raises each year. Thus, I'm guessing we're right anywhere from $5-6.5 million in cap space (depending on how the deals are structured).

If Hansbrough is moved, I think we need another PF, preferably another veteran. Jamison or JO would come to mind. Not sure Jamison would play as well without an up and coming PG like Kyrie feeding him, though.

[Wizop]

If Hansbrough is moved, I think we need another PF, preferably another veteran.

I wouldn't move Tyler but if we do I'd think the logical move would be to bring back Amundson. I might bring him back anyway now that Mahinmi makes bring back Fesenko less likely.

[Scoot McGroot]

If Hansbrough is moved, I think we need another PF, preferably another veteran.

I wouldn't move Tyler but if we do I'd think the logical move would be to bring back Amundson. I might bring him back anyway now that Mahinmi makes bring back Fesenko less likely.

We just don't really have the roster space. We already have 6 roster spots committed to the 4 and the 5 spot in Hibbert, West, Hansbrough, Plumlee, Mahinmi, and Pendergraph. I just don't see how we could bring in a 7th guy at either position when we still have some major uncertainty at the 2.

[DWCP2]

If Hansbrough is moved, I think we need another PF, preferably another veteran.

I wouldn't move Tyler but if we do I'd think the logical move would be to bring back Amundson. I might bring him back anyway now that Mahinmi makes bring back Fesenko less likely.

We just don't really have the roster space. We already have 6 roster spots committed to the 4 and the 5 spot in Hibbert, West, Hansbrough, Plumlee, Mahinmi, and Pendergraph. I just don't see how we could bring in a 7th guy at either position when we still have some major uncertainty at the 2.

The Pacers have yet to release Amundson's rights, so it'll be interesting to see if he can be used as a bargaining chip in the foreseeable future.

As for the SG positiion, the Pacers have George, Stephenson, Green, and possibly even Orlando Johnson, which is plenty of offensive skill, but not a lot of experience.

[granger05]

A few other threads have discussions about what other signings may occur, but this seemed like the appropriate place to post this. There's an insider only article up on ESPN that details all the money still available for teams. Here's the Pacer's item:

Indiana Pacers

Maximum cap room: $0
Mid-level exception remaining: $2.6 million
Bi-annual exception remaining: $0
Trade exceptions remaining: None
Significant free agents: None
Notes: The Pacers re-signed Roy Hibbert without an expected fight with Portland, kept George Hill, and acquired Ian Mahinmi, Gerald Green, and D.J. Augustin.

Basically, we could use that exception to grab one more non-minimum piece. Here's a truehoop article on the remaining free agent values. This one isn't insider only. Randy Foye anyone?

[Scoot McGroot]

Randy Foye anyone?

Eh, Jodi Meeks seems like a better fit.

[Jake0890]

Randy Foye anyone?

Eh, Jodi Meeks seems like a better fit.

I'd have to disagree. We don't need another spot-up 3-point shooter, which is what Jodie Meeks would bring to the table. Foye would give us similar shooting ability yet he can actually play perimeter defense.

[Scoot McGroot]

Randy Foye anyone?

Eh, Jodi Meeks seems like a better fit.

I'd have to disagree. We don't need another spot-up 3-point shooter, which is what Jodie Meeks would bring to the table. Foye would give us similar shooting ability yet he can actually play perimeter defense.

Meeks can turn around the picks and hit a J. Foye is a spot up shooter, and a bit lacking at driving to the hoop.

I'd like to get a guy that can come off screens and hit the 3, and push Paul to drive to the basket more rather than settling for the 3.

[Jake0890]

But we really need to D on the perimeter from our 2nd unit. With Tyler Hansbrough guarding the paint, we need to be able to stop penetration, which was a big problem last season being that Collison and Barbosa didn't defend that well either.