State of the Mavs's Payroll

[JES12]

Since we won the amnesty on Brand, it is clear we are operating a a cap room team. As such, here is our current salary to the best of my knowledge

[JES12]

As a note, I do believe a trade of Mahinimi at $4 mil has a base year issue which means we probably took one of Jones or Collison with our TPE from Fernandez or Brewer.

[cs hauser]

Exceptions
-MLE
-BE
-$8.2 mil TPE from Odom
-$4.2 mil TPE from Chandler
-$3.1 mil TPE from Brewer
-$2.2 mil TPE from Fernandez

Won't the Mavs have to renounce all these exceptions before they can sign Chris Kaman as a free agent and put a bid on Elton Brand?

Cap holds:
-Vernon Maxwell ($854,389)
-Johnny Newman ($854,389)
-Walt Williams ($854,389)

These players haven't played for Dallas in over 10 years. How can they still be taking up cap space? How many more years until all three (plus Kevin Willis) are finally off the books?

[JES12]

Won't the Mavs have to renounce all these exceptions before they can sign Chris Kaman as a free agent and put a bid on Elton Brand?

Kaman can be S&T'd with the Odom TPE.

We can place a bid w/o being under the cap, but we have to be able to be under the cap if we win.

These players haven't played for Dallas in over 10 years. How can they still be taking up cap space? How many more years until all three (plus Kevin Willis) are finally off the books?

Until we renounce their rights or they sign with another team, they are taking cap room.

[Captain_Obvious]

Great work, JES

So if we pencil in Jones and Collison we sit at 50 millions plus cap hold. Is it correct we have at most 4 millions to go after Brand and Scola each?

Maybe we can unload Vince with Wright?

[JES12]

Great work, JES

Thanks.

So if we pencil in Jones and Collison we sit at 50 millions plus cap hold.

$2,319,344 Collison
$2,900,000 Jones

On DB.com, they say that trade is official. I guess it is just waiting for nba.com to update their page. Also, tht Haywood amnesty was reported to league office.

$44,890,065 + Jones and Collison = $50,109,409 (before Cunningham)

Cap is set at $58,044,000
http://www.nba.com/2012/news/07/10/nba- ... ef:nbahpt2

Is it correct we have at most 4 millions to go after Brand and Scola each?

By the numbers on this page, with the 9 players and Cunningham being #10, it looks like we have just under $7 mil if we renounce all the exception. But keep in mind that we will still have the new "room exception" if we go under the cap.

[Captain_Obvious]

So how big do you think is our offer for Brand? How much are Portland and Phoenix willing to bid for him as reported by ESPN? Keep in mind Portland probably prefers Haywood to Brand.

Then there are teams like the Bobcats and Cleveland who are forced to put some contracts on their payroll as stated in the CBA.

The winner will be determined tomorrow, but I have a feeling there is a bidding war going on.

I'll make a crazy guess: Brand will receive a $7+ million bid.

By the numbers on this page, with the 9 players and Cunningham being #10, it looks like we have just under $7 mil if we renounce all the exception. But keep in mind that we will still have the new "room exception" if we go under the cap.

I know nothing of this "room exception". Is it connected to our TPEs?

[Soupman]

What is the "room" exeption?

So who can we sign with the remaining TPEs?

[Soupman]

Exceptions
-MLE
-BE
-$8.2 mil TPE from Odom
-$4.2 mil TPE from Chandler
-$3.1 mil TPE from Brewer
-$2.2 mil TPE from Fernandez

Won't the Mavs have to renounce all these exceptions before they can sign Chris Kaman as a free agent and put a bid on Elton Brand?

Cap holds:
-Vernon Maxwell ($854,389)
-Johnny Newman ($854,389)
-Walt Williams ($854,389)

These players haven't played for Dallas in over 10 years. How can they still be taking up cap space? How many more years until all three (plus Kevin Willis) are finally off the books?

Kevin willis is still on our payroll? How?

[JES12]

Updated to remove Jason Kidd's $13 mil cap hold

[JES12]

What is the "room" exeption?

So who can we sign with the remaining TPEs?

Room excetion is kinda like a mid-level exception except if is for those teams that renounce all of their exceptions to get under the cap, but use their cap up and want to sign someone higher than the vet min. This year is is set for $2,575,000

Kevin willis is still on our payroll? How?

Not payroll. He is a salary cap hold until he is renounced or signed by anothe team. See the xls image I just posted.

BTW, I intentionally left Haywood off that xls pic and added thoes that appear to be offical.

[lovethewire]

So how big do you think is our offer for Brand? How much are Portland and Phoenix willing to bid for him as reported by ESPN? Keep in mind Portland probably prefers Haywood to Brand.

Then there are teams like the Bobcats and Cleveland who are forced to put some contracts on their payroll as stated in the CBA.

The winner will be determined tomorrow, but I have a feeling there is a bidding war going on.

I'll make a crazy guess: Brand will receive a $7+ million bid.

By the numbers on this page, with the 9 players and Cunningham being #10, it looks like we have just under $7 mil if we renounce all the exception. But keep in mind that we will still have the new "room exception" if we go under the cap.

I know nothing of this "room exception". Is it connected to our TPEs?

7m is absurd, billups got claimed for 2, anything over 3.5 is insane

[JES12]

Thursday, July 12
• Atlanta signed guard Lou Williams to a multi-year contract.
• Charlotte rescinded their qualifying offer to guard D.J. Augustin, making him an unrestricted free agent.
• Dallas waived center Brendan Haywood.
• Detroit signed guard Kim English.
• Milwaukee re-signed forward Ersan Ilyasova to a multi-year contract.
• Minnesota waived center Darko Milicic. Extended a qualifying offer to forward Nicolas Batum.
• New York signed guard Jason Kidd. Re-signed forward Steve Novak.
• Philadelphia waived forward Elton Brand.
• Washington re-signed guard Cartier Martin.

http://www.nba.com/news/transactions/2012_13/

Kidd signed in NY and Dallas waived Haywood. Both are official now. As such, I will edit the original post.

[DMavs412]

First, Id like to thank JES12 for this awsome thread. REALLY appreciate you taking the time to write all of that out. Huge help for some of us that are just getting into the CBA.

After Researching some of this stuff. I have a few questions to ask.

1. When bidding on amnestied players. Does using an extention trigger somthing that im not aware of? I''m currious as to why they desided not to use the Odom TPE in the case of Chris Kaman?

2. What is the advantage of using a TPE over just renounsing it and using cap space instead?

3. Since the TPE came from a trade. We could have used it without a S & T correct? Kaman should have just became another peice of the lamar trade, right?

Thank you in advance for helping me understand this stuff.

[dirkules_41]

Apparently Kaman signed already. http://www.hoopsworld.com/mavericks-amnesty-haywood-likely-to-bid-for-brand So that S&T idea would be out of the running. Cheers to JES as usual!

[catalyst]

Great work. May be time to Renounce a soon to be 50 year old Kevin Willis and Walt Williams, who retired 10 seasons ago.

I stickied this for the time being. Good info to have. Will release when transactions appear to be over with.

[DBoys]

I am basing my info on the official transaction page:
http://www.nba.com/news/transactions/2012_13/

FYI the "official" transaction page, isn't.

[DMavs412]

First, Id like to thank JES12 for this awsome thread. REALLY appreciate you taking the time to write all of that out. Huge help for some of us that are just getting into the CBA.

After Researching some of this stuff. I have a few questions to ask.

1. When bidding on amnestied players. Does using an extention trigger somthing that im not aware of? I''m currious as to why they desided not to use the Odom TPE in the case of Chris Kaman?

2. What is the advantage of using a TPE over just renounsing it and using cap space instead?

3. Since the TPE came from a trade. We could have used it without a S & T correct? Kaman should have just became another peice of the lamar trade, right?

Thank you in advance for helping me understand this stuff.

Updated my questions in light of the mavericks already signing Kaman without using the TPE

[Desfar]

Well, we're adding 2.1 mil to our payroll now

[JES12]

I am basing my info on the official transaction page:
http://www.nba.com/news/transactions/2012_13/

FYI the "official" transaction page, isn't.

Do you have a better resource? If so, I would love to know what it is.