No trades?

Sacballer916 · Post #1 » by **Sacballer916** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:13 pm

Why haven't we made any deals? Are we expected to make the playoffs with this current roster? I dont think so. Esp when I see players like Lowry getting traded for nothing. That would have been an upgrade at pg. I say we got after Calderon and Iggy.

deNIEd · Post #2 » by **deNIEd** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:17 pm

Sacballer916 wrote:Why haven't we made any deals? Are we expected to make the playoffs with this current roster? I dont think so. Esp when I see players like Lowry getting traded for nothing. That would have been an upgrade at pg. I say we got after Calderon and Iggy.

We aren't trying to make the playoffs

blind prophet · Post #3 » by **blind prophet** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:14 pm

Better to make no trade than a bad one.

I am down with Calderon though. They need a SF, maybe they bite at Garcia to save them 4-5 mil. Both guys expiring.

Post #4 » by **City of Trees** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:42 pm

Id really like to see us land Moute from MIL somehow.

SacKingZZZ · Post #5 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Sat Jul 14, 2012 12:59 am

If they are going to make trades I'd expect the deadline. Just have to hope that by that point a contract like JT's isn't unmovable, Tyreke's value didn't tank any further because he's now playing backup center, your perfect steal contract SG in Thornton isn't demanding a trade, or Isaiah Thomas isn't the face of the franchise at that point because of how poor things are going.

Post #6 » by **pillwenney** » Sat Jul 14, 2012 2:13 am

The offseason is still very, very young.

AnDrOiDKing4 · Post #7 » by **AnDrOiDKing4** » Sat Jul 14, 2012 2:14 am

Sac bee chat with the Witch says we are working on 2 trades to get some back court help.

Post #8 » by **KF10** » Sat Jul 14, 2012 2:15 am

AnDrOiDKing4 wrote:Sac bee chat with the Witch says we are working on 2 trades to get some back court help.

deNIEd · Post #9 » by **deNIEd** » Sat Jul 14, 2012 6:06 am

I honestly don't think this organization (namely the Maloofs) even care about making the playoffs or winning.

This team was never willing to intentionally commit to a rebuild. While other teams made moves that would provide the best future with a good plan for success, the King's always looked for the (cheap) quick fix. Instead of drafting good prospective players to develop, they always drafted the most "NBA ready" players in order to have a minor improvement immediately.

The team is also not willing to win. The team refuses to spend money on good coaches. The team refuses to spend money on players. The team refuses to spend money on acquiring assets. The team has been one of the lowest salaried rosters in the league for the past 3-4 years.

Didn't they make all that commotion about having cap room for 2011...then nothing happened...in which they said they planned to spend it all and make big moves in 2012...well...what good free agents are left?

From what I see, the Maloofs are content on keeping this team as cheap as possible, in which they make a profit simply because the players are so cheap. They are set upon moving and just waiting it out until they obtain approval. In the mean time, no moves will ever really be made to push the team into the playoffs, yet they will make enough moves to keep them out of the bottom 3-4 teams (to save some face).

Post #10 » by **pillwenney** » Sat Jul 14, 2012 6:11 am

It's not so much an issue of caring as much as it is that they can't really afford to sacrifice now for long term. Another way of saying that is that they shouldn't own an NBA team.

deNIEd · Post #11 » by **deNIEd** » Sat Jul 14, 2012 6:15 am

pillwenney wrote:It's not so much an issue of caring as much as it is that they can't really afford to sacrifice now for long term. Another way of saying that is that they shouldn't own an NBA team.

Step away from the lens of being a King's fan...and tell me what you honestly believe...

Do you think right now the Maloofs would rather

A) Improve the roster, win an extra 5 games, but make no money

or

B) Make $3 million dollars

deNIEd · Post #12 » by **deNIEd** » Sat Jul 14, 2012 6:16 am

As long as the Maloofs are the owners, this team will never win more than 36 games. Book It.

Post #13 » by **City of Trees** » Sat Jul 14, 2012 6:21 am

deNIEd wrote:
pillwenney wrote:It's not so much an issue of caring as much as it is that they can't really afford to sacrifice now for long term. Another way of saying that is that they shouldn't own an NBA team.

Step away from the lens of being a King's fan...and tell me what you honestly believe...

Do you think right now the Maloofs would rather

A) Improve the roster, win an extra 5 games, but make no money

or

B) Make $3 million dollars

I think pillwenney was saying the same thing. Maloofs are operating from a financial standpoint, neglecting on court needs/upgrades.

Post #14 » by **pillwenney** » Sat Jul 14, 2012 9:12 pm

Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying. It's not that they don't care about winning, but the Kings are their only source of revenue now, so that has to be their top priority.

Really there should be a rule against owners relying on the franchise as their source of revenue unless they're multi-billionaires. It just leads to a crappy product.

SacKingZZZ · Post #15 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Sat Jul 14, 2012 11:24 pm

OK, isn't overpaying for Jason freaking Thompson spending money? It's time to start looking at what's going on here, and the finger points first and foremost to the GM taking a BM and calling it a team.

Post #16 » by **City of Trees** » Sun Jul 15, 2012 4:46 am

SacKingZZZ wrote:OK, isn't overpaying for Jason freaking Thompson spending money? It's time to start looking at what's going on here, and the finger points first and foremost to the GM taking a BM and calling it a team.

GP's decisions have been called into question as well. IMO, last years draft will eventually lead to/or have a major impact on his departure. He doesn't get a "pass", but at the same time he can only do what he is told. If the Maloofs were not content sitting at league min/ losing games, GP would be gone. The thing is the Maloofs are okay with the product as long as they are making money.

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OGSactownballer · Post #17 » by **OGSactownballer** » Sun Jul 15, 2012 11:46 pm

IDK, does anyone else here recognize the preternatural quiet that normally precedes a GP stunner move?

I have watched him operate like this before. So have most all of you. Having something go down that ends up landing Iggy or Granger here with concurrent move that brings in a Calderon or equivalent point would surprise me less than nothing else happening for the rest of the offseason. There are too many asset-type pieces sitting here now that just don't make any sense at all around the core pieces of the team.

Don't forget that this team's FO traditionally has relationships (trade - wise) with Indiana, Houston and Toronto for a long time. Teams that have those relationships tend to stick with them when they make impact moves. Boston is also in that mix.

It is very likely that wehavehad to wait for some of the RFA activity (I.e. Hibbert) to shake out before those teams can do anything.

SacKingZZZ · Post #18 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 12:14 am

Evans Is King wrote:
SacKingZZZ wrote:OK, isn't overpaying for Jason freaking Thompson spending money? It's time to start looking at what's going on here, and the finger points first and foremost to the GM taking a BM and calling it a team.

GP's decisions have been called into question as well. IMO, last years draft will eventually lead to/or have a major impact on his departure. He doesn't get a "pass", but at the same time he can only do what he is told. If the Maloofs were not content sitting at league min/ losing games, GP would be gone. The thing is the Maloofs are okay with the product as long as they are making money.

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Only if one of the other players behind him, or Beno, suddenly turn into superstars. The problem I have with Jimmer is the direction of turning him into something he's not. Like I've said a 100 times, if it works he'll be a much better player, but anyone who didn't see Jimmer as more of a FIT than anything where he was a spot shooter in a complimentary role just doesn't know what they're doing if the idea is to try and start winning some more games.

They clearly don't see him as a superstar because if they did, they would have granted him a starting position and 20 shots a game right out of the gate. I don't think it's that their expectations of Jimmer are too high, it's that although they say they know what he is, they approach him and the situation in a completely opposite way. It just falls in line with everything else lately. Petrie goes out and sets goals for the summer personnel and team wise, and then in every scenario possible goes out and does the COMPLETE opposite. Times ticking on whether or not there even is a plan, if you just go with the flow all the time your ass is getting swept out to sea eventually. All we can hope for is that against every fabric of all that makes sense in basketball, that this unit defies all possible variables and fits.

SacKingZZZ · Post #19 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 12:17 am

OGSactownballer wrote:IDK, does anyone else here recognize the preternatural quiet that normally precedes a GP stunner move?

I have watched him operate like this before. So have most all of you. Having something go down that ends up landing Iggy or Granger here with concurrent move that brings in a Calderon or equivalent point would surprise me less than nothing else happening for the rest of the offseason. There are too many asset-type pieces sitting here now that just don't make any sense at all around the core pieces of the team.

Don't forget that this team's FO traditionally has relationships (trade - wise) with Indiana, Houston and Toronto for a long time. Teams that have those relationships tend to stick with them when they make impact moves. Boston is also in that mix.

It is very likely that wehavehad to wait for some of the RFA activity (I.e. Hibbert) to shake out before those teams can do anything.

Bringing in Calderon isn't enough. You'd have to see wide sweeping changes for this to start making some sense and have you go, "Oh, that was it the entire time! I get it now!". Now, moves like that could redeem some of this complete nonsense, but far from repair it completely.

Post #20 » by **pillwenney** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:32 am

The hope for Jimmer, I think, was for him to be Steph Curry, and not Boobie Gibson--a guy that is absolutely a floor spreader, but who can also run a team and carry some of the playmaking load.

The teams is trying to make Jimmer a PG for the same reason they're trying to develop Tyreke's jumper--it's about trying to make your guy a complete player, because a team full of specialists is going nowhere. A Jimmer/Tyreke backcourt will never work if neither of them can run a team. So they're trying to develop Jimmer's ability to run a team. But that's unfortunately looking unlikely since Jimmer seems to crap his pants any time there's any kind of ball pressure.