CP3/Dwight to ATL a possibility?

[Cashin out]

I could actually see these 2 guys joing Atlanta next year if you are able to keep Smoove/Horford.If both the Lakers/Clippers struggle in the playoffs I can see Dwight/Cp3 talking about teaming up in Atlanta.Dwight is from Atl and Cp3 is lives not to far away in NC.

My question is do you guys think it's a real possibility,and do you have enough cap room to sign Dwight/CP3 and keep Jsmoove/Horford?

CP3
Morrow
Smoove
Horford
Dwight

That is possibly the best starting unit in the NBA.

[ATL Boy]

We've been talking about this since the Joe Johnson trade, there have been numerous articles about it and we still have hope for signing CP3 and Dwight and we will continue to have hope until they resign with their teams. We would have enough cap to sign both CP3 and Dwight and keep Josh if they do what the Heat big 3 did and take a little less, they'd make up for the lost money in endorsements if they win a championship. So yes we all still have hope for CP3 and Dwight taking their talents to the peach state and winning titles together here. (If Danny Ferry pulls this off then he'd be GM of the century)
BTW we'd also have Lou Williams off the bench

[Cashin out]

We've been talking about this since the Joe Johnson trade, there have been numerous articles about it and we still have hope for signing CP3 and Dwight and we will continue to have hope until they resign with their teams. We would have enough cap to sign both CP3 and Dwight and keep Josh if they do what the Heat big 3 did and take a little less, they'd make up for the lost money in endorsements if they win a championship. So yes we all still have hope for CP3 and Dwight taking their talents to the peach state and winning titles together here. (If Danny Ferry pulls this off then he'd be GM of the century)
BTW we'd also have Lou Williams off the bench

So you guys would have to trade Horford to sign all 3 Smoove/D12/CP3?

[Jamaaliver]

So you guys would have to trade Horford to sign all 3 Smoove/D12/CP3?

Sadly it's looking that way.

If we have a chance to bring in D12 & CP3, we'd have to choose between AL and Josh.

And if you look at their numbers, it's not as easy a decision as you'd think.

[ATL Boy]

We've been talking about this since the Joe Johnson trade, there have been numerous articles about it and we still have hope for signing CP3 and Dwight and we will continue to have hope until they resign with their teams. We would have enough cap to sign both CP3 and Dwight and keep Josh if they do what the Heat big 3 did and take a little less, they'd make up for the lost money in endorsements if they win a championship. So yes we all still have hope for CP3 and Dwight taking their talents to the peach state and winning titles together here. (If Danny Ferry pulls this off then he'd be GM of the century)
BTW we'd also have Lou Williams off the bench

So you guys would have to trade Horford to sign all 3 Smoove/D12/CP3?

Yes unless Josh, CP3, and Dwight would be willing to sign contracts starting at 13.6 mil for the first year. Which probably won't happen

[Jamaaliver]

Is anyone else starting to think that Teague might be a better value at PG going forward. He's younger than CP3 and will cost half as much for somewhat similar production.

CP3 is clearly the superior player, but going forward with Teague allows us to use that extra money at other positions.

Right now CP3 is making $15 million more, but is only producing 2pts and 2assists more than Teague.

[ATL Boy]

Is anyone else starting to think that Teague might be a better value at PG going forward. He's younger than CP3 and will cost half as much for somewhat similar production.

CP3 is clearly the superior player, but going forward with Teague allows us to use that extra money at other positions.

Right now CP3 is making $15 million more, but is only producing 2pts and 2assists more than Teague.

Lets not get ahead of ourselves, it's been 11 games into the season, if Teague finishes the season with similar production then I'm all for giving Teague an 8-10 mil contract and going after Dwight and Josh to have a lineup of
PG-Teague
SG-Morrow
SF-Smith
PF-Horford
C-Dwight

But time will tell

[Skyhawk1]

CP3 pounds that ball so much. Have you noticed how poorly the Clippers move the ball when he's in the game? It's either him shooting or a pass to Blake, nothing else. I've always liked D. Williams better than CP3. I'm a big fan of ball movement and cuts to the basket. So, since we can't have D. Williams, we might as well stick with Teague. He's a good, reliable, and cheap option. I mean, you get D. Howard in here and that's all you need. He even made J. Nelson an all-star.

[dtown8]

CP3 pounds that ball so much. Have you noticed how poorly the Clippers move the ball when he's in the game? It's either him shooting or a pass to Blake, nothing else. I've always liked D. Williams better than CP3. I'm a big fan of ball movement and cuts to the basket. So, since we can't have D. Williams, we might as well stick with Teague. He's a good, reliable, and cheap option. I mean, you get D. Howard in here and that's all you need. He even made J. Nelson an all-star.

i like Teague better, but if it takes CP3 and Smoove to get Dwight then so be it.

[Jamaaliver]

if it takes CP3 and Smoove to get Dwight then so be it

That team sounds like there'd be so much drama.

They'd make a great team on the And1 Basketball circuit, I prefer we add a single top player, draft well and build around Teague and Horford.

If San Antonio is the model, developing players and drafting smartly is more important than just signing high priced free-agents.

And honestly, I think Josh Smith is running away from Atlanta the first chance he gets.

[myrak433]

if it takes CP3 and Smoove to get Dwight then so be it

That team sounds like there'd be so much drama.

They'd make a great team on the And1 Basketball circuit, I prefer we add a single top player, draft well and build around Teague and Horford.

If San Antonio is the model, developing players and drafting smartly is more important than just signing high priced free-agents.

And honestly, I think Josh Smith is running away from Atlanta the first chance he gets.

you mean you hope Josh Smith runs away from Atlanta the first chance he gets.

I for one don't believe Josh is going anywhere

[dms269]

if it takes CP3 and Smoove to get Dwight then so be it

That team sounds like there'd be so much drama.

They'd make a great team on the And1 Basketball circuit, I prefer we add a single top player, draft well and build around Teague and Horford.

If San Antonio is the model, developing players and drafting smartly is more important than just signing high priced free-agents.

And honestly, I think Josh Smith is running away from Atlanta the first chance he gets.

How do we add a single top player while keeping Horford and Teague? An expiring Josh isn't going to bring in a top player.

Saying we should follow the SA model is a very skewed assessment. SA has one of, if not the, best pf's of all time...who they drafted #1 overall and had a great mentor in another top big man. They also found steals in Parker (late 1st round) and Manu (2nd round). Atlanta can't follow that model because we don't have a Tim Duncan.

[dms269]

We've been talking about this since the Joe Johnson trade, there have been numerous articles about it and we still have hope for signing CP3 and Dwight and we will continue to have hope until they resign with their teams. We would have enough cap to sign both CP3 and Dwight and keep Josh if they do what the Heat big 3 did and take a little less, they'd make up for the lost money in endorsements if they win a championship. So yes we all still have hope for CP3 and Dwight taking their talents to the peach state and winning titles together here. (If Danny Ferry pulls this off then he'd be GM of the century)
BTW we'd also have Lou Williams off the bench

So you guys would have to trade Horford to sign all 3 Smoove/D12/CP3?

I believe they would have to take a little bit of a paycut, very similar to what occurred with Miami and their big 3. I don't think we can offer them full on maxes with Horford here.

[Jamaaliver]

How do we add a single top player while keeping Horford and Teague? An expiring Josh isn't going to bring in a top player.

Saying we should follow the SA model is a very skewed assessment. SA has one of, if not the, best pf's of all time...who they drafted #1 overall and had a great mentor in another top big man. They also found steals in Parker (late 1st round) and Manu (2nd round). Atlanta can't follow that model because we don't have a Tim Duncan

With only Teague, Horford and Jenkins on payroll next sumer, we have tons of cap space. I think those three have less than $20 million combined salary. Even with an inevitable payraise for JT0.
From there it's just recruiting top guys to come here on solid deals. (A big selling point will have to be who the head coach is.)

I think we can all agree that Duncan has been in the twilight of his career for a while now.
The last couple of seasons he was avg about 15 ppg & 9rpg (Al Horford type numbers) and they still had the best record in each regular season. Last year making it all the way to WC Finals.
Manu Ginobili has been seriously injured in each of the last two seasons as well.

It's been terrific PG play as well as timely acquisitions (Diaw, Stephen jackson) and wise drafting that has allowed them to survive down years. I want Ferry to find a couple of steals of our own in future drafts and sign cheap vets to surround our core with.

Their teams play hard and SMART and contend every year, regardless of who is there. That's what I want here.

[ATL Boy]

How do we add a single top player while keeping Horford and Teague? An expiring Josh isn't going to bring in a top player.

Saying we should follow the SA model is a very skewed assessment. SA has one of, if not the, best pf's of all time...who they drafted #1 overall and had a great mentor in another top big man. They also found steals in Parker (late 1st round) and Manu (2nd round). Atlanta can't follow that model because we don't have a Tim Duncan

With only Teague, Horford and Jenkins on payroll next sumer, we have tons of cap space. I think those three have less than $20 million combined salary. Even with an inevitable payraise for JT0.
From there it's just recruiting top guys to come here on solid deals. (A big selling point will have to be who the head coach is.)

I think we can all agree that Duncan has been in the twilight of his career for a while now.
The last couple of seasons he was avg about 15 ppg & 9rpg (Al Horford type numbers) and they still had the best record in each regular season. Last year making it all the way to WC Finals.
Manu Ginobili has been seriously injured in each of the last two seasons as well.

It's been terrific PG play as well as timely acquisitions (Diaw, Stephen jackson) and wise drafting that has allowed them to survive down years. I want Ferry to find a couple of steals of our own in future drafts and sign cheap vets to surround our core with.

Their teams play hard and SMART and contend every year, regardless of who is there. That's what I want here.

You both are missing the key to the SA model and that's Greg Popovich, he's the best coach in the NBA (I don't even think it's up for debate) we can't follow the SA model with LD at the helm, it would take a great GM to make those draft steals and get solid players from Europe and South America and it would take a great coach to make sure that all those players play hard and Smart focusing on the fundamentals. We have the great GM but LD isn't even a good coach let alone great like coach Pop

[Jamaaliver]

You both are missing the key to the SA model and that's Greg Popovich, he's the best coach in the NBA (I don't even think it's up for debate). We have the great GM but LD isn't even a good coach let alone great like coach Pop

No argument there. The most important decision Ferry makes next year isn't a personnel decision; it's Head Coach hands down.

[PandaKidd]

I think the team going forward is going to look like this

CP3 will stay in LA, he has no reason to leave IMO. The Clippers have made a HUGE turn in just a year. Unless their team gets completely dismantled, he has a long bright future in LA. The Kobe Era is coming to an end, which means the Clippers are in position to make a run for a LONG TIME if they keep the core of Blake/CP3/Jordan and the other talent they have (bledsoe, Crawford).

D12 I do believe will leave, unless they make it to the finals. I think he still wants to be in Brooklyn. With the Nets basically willing to pay whatever they want, I still think they will get him when hes free. I do not believe he stays in LA.

Smoov is gone, we wont pay him, he doesnt want to stay. I believe the Lakers will make a run at him, and theres been rumors of other teams as well. I love Josh, but I think its time for a change for both the Hawks and for him. I wouldnt be surprised if Smoov is gone before the all star break either.

Horford and Teague are good players and getting better. Im not sure who is really going to be available this offseason given what i feel is going to happen with CP3 and D12 and Josh Smith. Who is left?

[OOO]

I think the team going forward is going to look like this

CP3 will stay in LA, he has no reason to leave IMO. The Clippers have made a HUGE turn in just a year. Unless their team gets completely dismantled, he has a long bright future in LA. The Kobe Era is coming to an end, which means the Clippers are in position to make a run for a LONG TIME if they keep the core of Blake/CP3/Jordan and the other talent they have (bledsoe, Crawford).

D12 I do believe will leave, unless they make it to the finals. I think he still wants to be in Brooklyn. With the Nets basically willing to pay whatever they want, I still think they will get him when hes free. I do not believe he stays in LA.

Smoov is gone, we wont pay him, he doesnt want to stay. I believe the Lakers will make a run at him, and theres been rumors of other teams as well. I love Josh, but I think its time for a change for both the Hawks and for him. I wouldnt be surprised if Smoov is gone before the all star break either.

Horford and Teague are good players and getting better. Im not sure who is really going to be available this offseason given what i feel is going to happen with CP3 and D12 and Josh Smith. Who is left?

You don't understand how the salary cap works do you?

[PandaKidd]

You don't understand how the salary cap works do you?

are you alluding to my thoughts on D12? I know how the salary cap works. Prokhorov has stated he doesnt care about luxury taxes, he doesnt care about what it costs to get fans in the stands. Hes said that any luxury tax he pays, is irrelevant because it depends on how much money hes making from the fans in the stands/playoffs/jersey sales, etc.

They signed Lopez right? Lopez is having a really good year right now. 19 PPG and 6 REB. Hes being paid 60 million over 4 years (15 million a year). THATS CHEAP. DIRT if he keeps these numbers up. Right now hes averaging more than D12 PPG (D12 is 18/10).
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_ ... llion-deal

I wouldnt be surprised to see them trade him after hes built up some value and then go after D12.

its totally plausible, and im not the only one saying it. Lets assume Lopez has a good year and stays healthy. a 19/6 guy for 15 million a year in the NBA?? LOL SIGN ME UP. Trade his ass to ATL, Boston, ANYONE would take him. The nets could get SO MUCH for him from Draft picks to bench players, whatever. THEN they can max out D12.

I still think D12 is in play to go to Brooklyn unless the Lakers really make a deep run in the playoffs. The Lakers look terrible going forward. Old, no bench, no draft picks (all traded away). Does D12 want to be on a team aging FAST with Kobe likely to be gone in 1-2 years? Hell be right back where he was in ORLANDO, big fish in a bigger pond, but still a crappy team.

In Brooklyn, hes set for 5-6 years with Dwill and whatever else the Nets can get

[_BBIB_]

The only way we pry Dwight Howard away from the Lakers is if the Lakers have a massively disappointing season going into the playoffs with an underwhelming 5th or 6th seed and lose in the 1st round

Which is not out the realm of possibility either actualy