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Post#1 » by vege » Thu Dec 27, 2012 7:53 pm

He got fired by the Nets, I wanted him to be our head coach a few years ago and would love to have him now.

I think it's unrealistic to expect Joe D to fire yet another head coach but I'd love to see Frank fired this offseason and Johnson hired. He would do wonders for Knight.
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Post#2 » by ComboGuardCity » Thu Dec 27, 2012 7:55 pm

Another nets reject
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Post#3 » by fekz » Thu Dec 27, 2012 8:05 pm

no.
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Post#4 » by Jodi » Thu Dec 27, 2012 8:13 pm

YES!!! Please fire Frank and hire Johnson...
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Post#5 » by retrolenny » Thu Dec 27, 2012 10:05 pm

I say nay to Johnson. I'd place that phone call to Jackson, allow him to assess the team and talent, and give him what he wanted with LA!!!
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Post#6 » by vege » Thu Dec 27, 2012 10:51 pm

retrolenny wrote:I'd place that phone call to Jackson


You should work as a comediant sir.
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Post#7 » by Cowology » Thu Dec 27, 2012 11:24 pm

If you're going to bring a big name coach out of retirement and give him license to do whatever he wants then it should be Jerry Sloan. /.02
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Post#8 » by MrBigShot » Fri Dec 28, 2012 5:01 am

Cowology wrote:If you're going to bring a big name coach out of retirement and give him license to do whatever he wants then it should be Jerry Sloan. /.02


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Post#9 » by ElectricMayhem » Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:18 am

I don't think this would be any sort of improvement.
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Post#10 » by vic » Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:22 pm

This quote made me think:

---How much of this is Avery Johnson's fault? That depends on how much you believe player performance is dependent on coaching. If you're Avery Johnson's son, an admittedly partial source, the onus falls on the players. Soon after the firing was announced Thursday, the younger Johnson tweeted, "I'm sorry are best players couldn't make open shots. Yeah that's my dads fault totally..."

The kid has a point. Is it Johnson's fault Deron Williams has missed 166 shots outside the paint this season for a ghastly effective field goal percentage of 41 percent from that range? Is it on Johnson that Williams, while not altogether wrong about the contours of the offense, couldn't do what max point guards do -- wield his exceptional individual talent to make the system work? ----


This confirms 2 points I've been making recently.
1. You need either an elite coach or an elite point guard to win.
2. Point guards with deficiencies in shooting don't dominate the nba, and point guards that aren't elite in passing need an elite coach to win.

D Williams was a star pg when he played for Jerry Sloan - a legendary coach.
Now he's complaining about system, and reverting back to his college shooting numbers.

Pistons need to take this lesson to heart. You can't contend without a pass first player or an elite coach, which is why Billups couldn't get us to the finals again without Larry Brown. A better coach makes a better pg, and a true pg makes a better coach, and a true pg that can't shoot over 55% TS will be exposed eventually.

They need Laimbeer, Jerry Sloan, Larry brown, or a proven championship coach.
They need a pass first player that can shoot and won't turn it over, whether it be a pg (trey burke) or a small forward (Otto porter).
You need 2-way wings, 2-way shooting bigs, and you can't allow low iq players on the court. Assist/turnover ratio is crucial. Shooting point guards are icing on the cake IF they are plus defenders.
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Post#11 » by vege » Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:30 pm

Good post vic. I like everything you said there.
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Post#12 » by vic » Fri Dec 28, 2012 4:45 pm

vege wrote:Good post vic. I like everything you said there.



Thanks
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Post#13 » by chrbal » Fri Dec 28, 2012 4:56 pm

I don't think Avery Johnson is good for us, maybe bring him on to mentor Knight, as a head coach.

Nets aren't all his fault. Jerry Stackhouse is playing 17 minutes a game, Keith Bogans has 10 starts. That wouldn't be good news 5 years ago let alone now.
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Post#14 » by King Bugs » Fri Dec 28, 2012 5:33 pm

Not interested.

If everyone hates Lawrence Frank's offensive schemes, they'll definitely hate Avery's. Way too much iso-ball, he got away with the "create a mismatch with Dirk and isolate him" in Dallas, but we don't have a Dirk level offensive talent on the roster and unfortunately neither do the Nets even with all of their all-star players.
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Post#15 » by Manocad » Fri Dec 28, 2012 10:51 pm

No thanks.
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Post#16 » by DetroitSho » Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:06 am

vic wrote:This quote made me think:

---How much of this is Avery Johnson's fault? That depends on how much you believe player performance is dependent on coaching. If you're Avery Johnson's son, an admittedly partial source, the onus falls on the players. Soon after the firing was announced Thursday, the younger Johnson tweeted, "I'm sorry are best players couldn't make open shots. Yeah that's my dads fault totally..."

The kid has a point. Is it Johnson's fault Deron Williams has missed 166 shots outside the paint this season for a ghastly effective field goal percentage of 41 percent from that range? Is it on Johnson that Williams, while not altogether wrong about the contours of the offense, couldn't do what max point guards do -- wield his exceptional individual talent to make the system work? ----


This confirms 2 points I've been making recently.
1. You need either an elite coach or an elite point guard to win.
2. Point guards with deficiencies in shooting don't dominate the nba, and point guards that aren't elite in passing need an elite coach to win.

D Williams was a star pg when he played for Jerry Sloan - a legendary coach.
Now he's complaining about system, and reverting back to his college shooting numbers.

Pistons need to take this lesson to heart. You can't contend without a pass first player or an elite coach, which is why Billups couldn't get us to the finals again without Larry Brown. A better coach makes a better pg, and a true pg makes a better coach, and a true pg that can't shoot over 55% TS will be exposed eventually.

They need Laimbeer, Jerry Sloan, Larry brown, or a proven championship coach.
They need a pass first player that can shoot and won't turn it over, whether it be a pg (trey burke) or a small forward (Otto porter).

Yeah that's all fine and dandy but the problem is, based on what I'm reading from various Nets fans is that he took Deron off the ball and was playing him at SG. You can't be an elite PG if you're playing SG.
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Post#17 » by Blkbrd671 » Sun Dec 30, 2012 8:42 am

i would love avery johnson, but we are too in it with frank to give up now

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