OT: Braves trade for J. Upton

Raptors Realtor · Post #1 » by **Raptors Realtor** » Thu Jan 24, 2013 5:53 pm

It looks like the Upton brothers will be reuniting in Atlanta in a package which at first glance doesn't appear to be too pricey for the Braves...

http://www.tsn.ca/mlb/story/?id=414362

CapeCrusader · Post #2 » by **CapeCrusader** » Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:29 pm

Giant's are going to have a tough time in the NL with the Braves, Nats and Dodgers.

guvernator · Post #3 » by **guvernator** » Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:54 pm

Thats a turrible trade... for dbacks. Awesome if your are braves fan. Upton/Upton/Heyward OF :drool:.

Its funny 2 years ago, AZ was asking for Snider, Drabek + for Upton and many jays fans would have been rioting if AA had given up just snider and drabek, let alone additions.

Gibby · Post #4 » by **Gibby** » Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:29 am

guvernator wrote:Thats a turrible trade... for dbacks. Awesome if your are braves fan. Upton/Upton/Heyward OF :drool:.

Its funny 2 years ago, AZ was asking for Snider, Drabek + for Upton and many jays fans would have been rioting if AA had given up just snider and drabek, let alone additions.

That's the thing with prospects, one second they can fetch you an established major league star, the next year they can be completely worthless

flatjacket1 · Post #5 » by **flatjacket1** » Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:50 am

Gibby wrote:
guvernator wrote:Thats a turrible trade... for dbacks. Awesome if your are braves fan. Upton/Upton/Heyward OF :drool:.

Its funny 2 years ago, AZ was asking for Snider, Drabek + for Upton and many jays fans would have been rioting if AA had given up just snider and drabek, let alone additions.

That's the thing with prospects, one second they can fetch you an established major league star, the next year they can be completely worthless

Funny you say that when Upton, Heyward and Upton were all big name prospects just years ago.

Al_Oliver · Post #6 » by **Al_Oliver** » Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:00 am

^ even some of the higher rated prospects end up boom or bust...

flatjacket1 · Post #7 » by **flatjacket1** » Fri Jan 25, 2013 2:43 am

Al_Oliver wrote:^ even some of the higher rated prospects end up boom or bust...

Not denying that, but completely ignoring the fact that a portion do pan out is ridiculous.

RyderMike · Post #8 » by **RyderMike** » Fri Jan 25, 2013 3:12 am

flatjacket1 wrote:
Al_Oliver wrote:^ even some of the higher rated prospects end up boom or bust...

Not denying that, but completely ignoring the fact that a portion do pan out is ridiculous.

He never denied that a lot of prospects do pan out. He made a comment on prospects in general, that they don't always work out, even so called "can't miss" prospects . He didn't say they never work out.

flatjacket1 · Post #9 » by **flatjacket1** » Fri Jan 25, 2013 3:30 am

Gibby wrote:That's the thing with prospects, one second they can fetch you an established major league star, the next year they can be completely worthless

He gave two outcomes;
a) Fetch you established major league star (insinuated via trade)
b) Completely worthless

Waylon Mercy · Post #10 » by **Waylon Mercy** » Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:11 am

We've been interested in Upton for awhile wonder why Arizona have been shopping him for
so long and so hard. Not a fan of the package they settled on would have been nice to have
him but glad he stays in the NL.

whysoserious · Post #11 » by **whysoserious** » Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:51 pm

Atlanta-Toronto World Series?

How awesome would it be to see these two teams meet up again.

Post #12 » by **Duffman100** » Fri Jan 25, 2013 3:49 pm

Wish we could somehow land Prado...

RyderMike · Post #13 » by **RyderMike** » Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:17 pm

flatjacket1 wrote:
Gibby wrote:That's the thing with prospects, one second they can fetch you an established major league star, the next year they can be completely worthless

He gave two outcomes;
a) Fetch you established major league star (insinuated via trade)
b) Completely worthless

No, he's saying how a prospect can fall off the map. They seem like can't miss prospects chalk full of potential (Snider and Drabek), but a couple years later, they may fail to live up to their potential (Snider and Drabek) and not become the stars you thought they would be.

It was not an either or comparison. It was a comment about how players do not always live up to their potential. There was no separation of being awesome or terrible, and that's it.

We all know a star prospect can become a star player, a solid player, an average player, a utility man, or a career minor leaguer. Projections are simply projections, not guarantee. His comment was in hindsight, dealing Snider+Drabek would've been a great deal for us, now that we can see that they didn't live up to the potential we thought they had. But a couple years ago we were hoping they would be stars, so we didn't do it.

guvernator · Post #14 » by **guvernator** » Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:10 pm

I actually meant to say that both sides (Snider+Drabek as well as Upton) lost value over the last 2 years, considering how little Upton fetched.
While we'd be ecstatic if such a deal came along again (hindsight and all), Upton isn't the superstar that everybody though he would be (although I'm not ruling out the possibility since he is still 25).

why22 · Post #15 » by **why22** » Sun Jan 27, 2013 9:25 pm

whysoserious wrote:Atlanta-Toronto World Series?

How awesome would it be to see these two teams meet up again.

Poetic!

Kapono · Post #16 » by **Kapono** » Sun Jan 27, 2013 9:46 pm

Only thing that should worrry atlanta is that they sure will strikeout a lot in the OF. Both Uptons and Heyward are known to strike out.

Skin Blues · Post #17 » by **Skin Blues** » Sun Jan 27, 2013 9:49 pm

RyderMike wrote:
flatjacket1 wrote:
Al_Oliver wrote:^ even some of the higher rated prospects end up boom or bust...

Not denying that, but completely ignoring the fact that a portion do pan out is ridiculous.

He never denied that a lot of prospects do pan out. He made a comment on prospects in general, that they don't always work out, even so called "can't miss" prospects . He didn't say they never work out.

You know who also doesn't pan out sometimes? "Proven" veterans. Doesn't prove much of a point to say that can't-miss prospects flop once in a while. There are exactly zero groups of players that always pan out.