Is it Time to Trade Janssen?

Santoki · Post #1 » by **Santoki** » Tue Jul 9, 2013 10:54 pm

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/hayhurst-blue-jays-should-trade-janssen-now/

Cosentino and Hayhurst getting relatively heated about the subject, but they both make good points. In my opinion, you look for another Rasmus deal. Janssen will be 33 after next season, a free agent, and has a history of shoulder issues. He can be replaced. But, I don't think the Jays can take a flyer on a prospect. Package him and try to find your 2B, or hell 3B, and move Lawrie to 2B.

Randle McMurphy · Post #2 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Tue Jul 9, 2013 10:58 pm

If you're just straight up trading Janssen, it probably wouldn't be worth it as you wouldn't get enough back. But if you can trade multiple relievers (Janssen, Oliver, Delabar, etc.) or other lesser pieces for an impact player (like with the Rasmus deal), do it.

Lateral Quicks · Post #3 » by **Lateral Quicks** » Tue Jul 9, 2013 10:59 pm

Yes it is. His value is the highest it has ever been, and the bullpen is an area of strength. It's the one part of the team they can deal from without hurting their chances next year.

I'd hate to see him go, but if they do move him, I'll understand.

Post #4 » by **Schad** » Tue Jul 9, 2013 11:12 pm

The answer, as always: it depends. If a team with a real need (say, Arizona) wants to pay a significant price, like a prospect with serious upside but some warts (say, Matt Davidson), yeah...trade him. If you're getting a middling 25 year old AAA kiddie, who happens to fill a position of need, nah.

dagger · Post #5 » by **dagger** » Tue Jul 9, 2013 11:42 pm

Schadenfreude wrote:The answer, as always: it depends. If a team with a real need (say, Arizona) wants to pay a significant price, like a prospect with serious upside but some warts (say, Matt Davidson), yeah...trade him. If you're getting a middling 25 year old AAA kiddie, who happens to fill a position of need, nah.

I agree. You can't say no without considering the possible return. The Jays are deep in relievers, with more options in the minors (Stroman, Stilson, Carreno). Sergio Santos and Luis Perez are in rehab. I'd also be interested in improving our second base situation at the major league level. So long as we don't have to throw in a prospect of our own, I'd certainly entertain serious offers.

Gibby · Post #6 » by **Gibby** » Tue Jul 9, 2013 11:44 pm

It makes sense. If we can get some decent value back(upgrade at 2b, decent prospects) I say do it. Our bullpen is deep. Otherwise just keep him. He's been a beast.

Ado05 · Post #7 » by **Ado05** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:39 am

I'd trade anyone for the right price. I wouldnt be actively shopping him, but i'll let it be known that he could be had.

Winggfly · Post #8 » by **Winggfly** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 4:27 am

The team isn't gonna contend this year, so why not trade him for a prospect. With Cecil and Delabar pitching really well this year, would it too hard to see either of them being our future closers?

MikeM · Post #9 » by **MikeM** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 5:31 am

Avenger · Post #10 » by **Avenger** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 5:36 am

If we can fill a hole sure but i'll pass on some mediocre A ball prospect, even with the raise next year Janssen will be providing plus value, can't see any team giving us a good enough prospect to make it woth it for us. Despite his numbers Janssen will be underrated by the market, he's not a fireballer and he doesn't have an extensive history as a closer

Graham's Cracker · Post #11 » by **Graham's Cracker** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:58 pm

A tough one. If Santos and McGowan weren't such question marks with regards to their health it would be an easier decision. Casey seems like such a great teammate too. However, he has his own health question marks.

If we got a suitable offer you'd have to say yes. Especially when we have Carreno & Stilson seemingly ready to step in and assume a role in the bullpen.

LBJSeizedMyID · Post #12 » by **LBJSeizedMyID** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 2:41 pm

It makes sense depending on the return, but not sure what kind of return you'd get for Janssen; probably not much.

Santoki · Post #13 » by **Santoki** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 3:38 pm

LBJSeizedMyID wrote:It makes sense depending on the return, but not sure what kind of return you'd get for Janssen; probably not much.

We did get Colby Rasmus for a AAAA pitcher and a bunch of replaceable reliever parts, so I'd like to think we could get a pretty decent return for him in a package deal.

LBJSeizedMyID · Post #14 » by **LBJSeizedMyID** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 4:57 pm

LBJSeizedMyID wrote:It makes sense depending on the return, but not sure what kind of return you'd get for Janssen; probably not much.

While true, Janssen's strikeouts have taken a dip each month, while the walk rates have gone up. The good news is the velocity is actually stronger, so hopefully this is just something he's trying to work out.

That being said, if any team trades for him it's more than likely to bolster their bullpen then for him to act as the closer.

MikeM · Post #15 » by **MikeM** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 5:38 pm

Well there are at least 3 teams that seems to be fiending for a RP: Detroit, Atlanta and Arizona.

Atlanta seems like a really nice match. They have SP prospects that are not going to be able to crack that rotation. A guy like Alex Wood is very interesting. They also have Evan Gattis at catcher who is not playing. They also have Betancourt in the minors who is a pretty good C prospect.

Janssen for Wood and Betancourt would be a decent deal for me.

galacticos2 · Post #16 » by **galacticos2** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:50 pm

Delabar or Cecil could be great options to close, Jannsen can fish us some players at the deadline.

dagger · Post #17 » by **dagger** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 12:23 pm

galacticos2 wrote:Delabar or Cecil could be great options to close, Jannsen can fish us some players at the deadline.

Janssen is likely to get us more because he has a track record of sorts. Loup is too young to be a deal centrepiece, but could be valued for his potential. Oliver won't fetch much because of his age. Delabar's star is a little higher because of this all-star nonsense. Cecil, too, although Cecil's BP success is only a small sample size. If you go by the fact he was pitching in AAA stints last year and looked done like dinner, you'd be wary of a fluke year buy. Juan Perez wouldn't clear waivers but at his age doesn't fetch much in a trade. Neil Wagner - see Cecil. Maybe a Janssen/Loup package would get us a decent second baseman...

Raps_Swingman · Post #18 » by **Raps_Swingman** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 12:36 pm

Unless your name is Mariano Rivera then trading said closer at this time would be a beneficial move. Of course it all comes down to what the return is. I think AA has his eye on a 3 bag guy right now, hence all the Lawrie to 2 bag discussion. I love Janssen as a pitcher but if you can get a good deal for him you do it, our bullpen seems to be stacked and our infield isn't. Asset management 101.

dagger · Post #19 » by **dagger** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 1:54 pm

Raps_Swingman wrote:Unless your name is Mariano Rivera then trading said closer at this time would be a beneficial move. Of course it all comes down to what the return is. I think AA has his eye on a 3 bag guy right now, hence all the Lawrie to 2 bag discussion. I love Janssen as a pitcher but if you can get a good deal for him you do it, our bullpen seems to be stacked and our infield isn't. Asset management 101.

Not only are we stacked in the pen, we have three, maybe four potential replacements in the minors, three of whom have major league experience: Santos, Perez, Stilson and Carreno. Yes, Santos is injury prone, Perez is still rehabbing from TJ, but Stilson is handling the closer job at Buffalo well and as a former high draft pick with college experience, can probably handle the pressure. Gibbons is starting to make more strategic use of McGowan. too.

An eight man pen that includes Delabar, Wagner, Santos, Cecil, Juan Perez, McGowan, maybe Luis Perez or Stilson is competitive enough for a contender.

Al_Oliver · Post #20 » by **Al_Oliver** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:54 pm

Nick Castellanos for Janssen?