Miggy and McCutchen win MVP

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Miggy and McCutchen win MVP 

Post#1 » by Greatness » Fri Nov 15, 2013 12:02 am

Trout gets robbed
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Post#2 » by UN-Owen » Fri Nov 15, 2013 2:50 am

So long as pitchers remain eligible, Kershaw deserved strong consideration for the award

1.87 ERA, 0.92 WHIP with 232 strikeouts in 236 innings
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Post#3 » by Greatness » Fri Nov 15, 2013 4:34 am

UN-Owen wrote:So long as pitchers remain eligible, Kershaw deserved strong consideration for the award

1.87 ERA, 0.92 WHIP with 232 strikeouts in 236 innings

As much as I hated Verlander getting it that one year, Kershaw winning it would be just as bad. No pitcher is ever more deserving of an MVP award since they only pitch every 5 days compared to a position player who is out there every day providing value. Pitchers have their own award and that should be enough.
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Post#4 » by Geddy » Fri Nov 15, 2013 6:40 am

I'm ok with Cabrera winning MVP.
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Post#5 » by Lionlifer » Fri Nov 15, 2013 4:29 pm

Love both picks, no arguments or complaints here.

Kinda shocked Miggy got as many first place votes as he did, figured Trout would have gotten a few more.
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Post#6 » by UN-Owen » Fri Nov 15, 2013 9:34 pm

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UN-Owen wrote:So long as pitchers remain eligible, Kershaw deserved strong consideration for the award

1.87 ERA, 0.92 WHIP with 232 strikeouts in 236 innings

As much as I hated Verlander getting it that one year, Kershaw winning it would be just as bad. No pitcher is ever more deserving of an MVP award since they only pitch every 5 days compared to a position player who is out there every day providing value. Pitchers have their own award and that should be enough.


So if a starting pitcher goes 33-0 with 33 perfect games along with 891 strikeouts, he isn't the most valuable player in baseball?
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Post#7 » by Greatness » Fri Nov 15, 2013 9:39 pm

UN-Owen wrote:
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UN-Owen wrote:So long as pitchers remain eligible, Kershaw deserved strong consideration for the award

1.87 ERA, 0.92 WHIP with 232 strikeouts in 236 innings

As much as I hated Verlander getting it that one year, Kershaw winning it would be just as bad. No pitcher is ever more deserving of an MVP award since they only pitch every 5 days compared to a position player who is out there every day providing value. Pitchers have their own award and that should be enough.


So if a starting pitcher goes 33-0 with 33 perfect games along with 891 strikeouts, he isn't the most valuable player in baseball?

Sure he is but let's at least be realistic, no one will ever accomplish those types of numbers. I'm simply basing my opinion off of what pitchers provide in terms of value compared to what position players provide, which I believe is a significant difference.

But yeah if a pitcher came in and put up those types of numbers, he'd be a deserving MVP. But that's only because he wouldn't be a human being.
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Re: Miggy and McCutchen win MVP 

Post#8 » by Da Schwab » Sat Nov 16, 2013 10:45 pm

Three things drew my attention to making Trout more deserving than Miggy:

1. He was the only player in the AL this season to draw 100+ walks, he had 110.
2. His WAR was 9.2, compared to Miggy's 7.2.
3. His dWAR took a significant hit from last season, but he was still nearly a full point better than Miggy.

I know sabermetrics aren't everyone's cup of tea, but those last two blow my mind. All of this is also ignoring the fact that Trout's "protection" of Pujols/Hamilton were (in terms of past production and ability) absolutely dreadful.
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Post#9 » by UN-Owen » Sun Dec 8, 2013 7:34 am

Greatness wrote:
UN-Owen wrote:
Greatness wrote:As much as I hated Verlander getting it that one year, Kershaw winning it would be just as bad. No pitcher is ever more deserving of an MVP award since they only pitch every 5 days compared to a position player who is out there every day providing value. Pitchers have their own award and that should be enough.


So if a starting pitcher goes 33-0 with 33 perfect games along with 891 strikeouts, he isn't the most valuable player in baseball?

Sure he is but let's at least be realistic, no one will ever accomplish those types of numbers. I'm simply basing my opinion off of what pitchers provide in terms of value compared to what position players provide, which I believe is a significant difference.

But yeah if a pitcher came in and put up those types of numbers, he'd be a deserving MVP. But that's only because he wouldn't be a human being.


I am being realistic

Pitchers remain eligible for the award. That's reality

If a Hall of Fame pitcher's peak season isn't worthy of MVP consideration, then let's just make them ineligible for the award

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