Why aren't NBA Refs accountable?

[Jackattaq]

I literally had to shut off the game last night. The fact that we played at home and couldn't get a single call even though we were going in the paint was infuriating. It was sickening seeing K. Love at the FT line 9x more than our entire team in the first half. I shut the game off when we had only 1 FTA and that was an AND 1 chance for AD. I can see why Greg Monroe gets upset with the referees. He was CLOBBERED a few times in the first half and yet NO FOULS. Then on the other end K. Love is getting AND 1 chances. The NBA Refs are the worst in all four majors IMO and it's not even close. They dictate every facet of how a game is played by the way they call it. Andre played passively after getting a foul in the first 30 seconds of the game last night. Minnesota built a lead in the late stages of the first half based on getting to the FT line nearly every trip down. We were hamstrung by bad calls from the get go and there is NO ACCOUNTABILITY for NBA REFS making bad calls. They are allowed to and you never hear about an NBA refs being suspended for a game or 2 for his bad decisions. The Pistons are one of the leaders in POINTS IN THE PAINT and when we tried to go in the paint, we didn't get any calls. We were left complaining to officials because the calls were so one-sided. I think Rasheed had the right idea when he was in Portland and he told the officials he'd be waiting for them on the loading docks after the game. These Refs influence and affect the outcome of every game and when they have obvious agendas, there needs to be consequences. You can't honestly say that Greg Monroe never got fouled in the first half? 1 FTA to 15ish for the Wolves? I had enough.

[menten]

we are not getting respect from the refs because of the constant whining and arguing from this annoying dude


he just needs to shut the **** up and get back on defense, eventually the calls will come

[wire28]

we are not getting respect from the refs because of the constant whining and arguing from this annoying dude


he just needs to shut the **** up and get back on defense, eventually the calls will come

and wannnnnnnnnnnnnn


but yeah that was a pretty horrible foul difference. completely took us out the game when we were matching them blow for blow

[MotownMadness]

I was surprised when they didn't call KCPs block a foul lol.

[Q00]

yeah, I agree. The reason there is no consequence though is because the refs work for the NBA and are just carrying out orders from the people who suggest should be disciplining them.

It would be different if these refs were freelance officials and just came in and took over games to their liking. Then you would definitelty see some recourse from the league, lol. But when they are working in conjunction with the front office, there's really not much that's going to be done, unfortunately.

I thought getting that first foul on Drummond 30 seconds into the game was huge too, and basically took him out of the game the rest of the quarter.

[Q00]

we are not getting respect from the refs because of the constant whining and arguing from this annoying dude


he just needs to shut the **** up and get back on defense, eventually the calls will come

Its funny how Monroe never gets in foul trouble either, and its always Drummond. Why is that? lol

I know!

Its because Monroe plays the matador defense and avoids contact like the plague, so that he can stay in the game and get his numbers on offense for his next contract. While Drummond actually tries to stop people and unfortunately is the one getting in foul trouble all the time. Cheeks needs to recognize which big man is more important and start instructing Monroe to take some of these fouls instead, so Dre doesn't have to.

You never saw Duncan consistently getting in foul trouble because they would have Oberto or Nazr taking the fouls. Monroe is not Duncan in this duo. He's Obert/Nazr and needs to start being less selfish and taking some fouls for the team, so that Drummond can stay in the game more.

[Jackattaq]

So the reason I ask and start this thread is: Am I being a homer or unrealistic in what I should expect from NBA refs? I was so turned off last night, that I turned off the game. It became sickening and unwatchable to me. My 8 year old son asked why I turned it off (we've been watching most of the games together this season) and I told him I was sick of watching blatant cheating. There is no way that we didn't draw any fouls during the first 1.5 quarters (except Dre's one AND 1 attempt) that should have resulted in FTA's. I found last night to be so horrific I was just done with the NBA. Screw them and their agendas. Why give Minnesota such an advantage? I know the Pistons aren't the sexiest team around, but why are they pimping the T-wolves so hard? The start of the game and disparity in FT's in the first 1.5 quarters just made me wanna puke. Gimme a break NBA.

[irishfury6]

So the reason I ask and start this thread is: Am I being a homer or unrealistic in what I should expect from NBA refs? I was so turned off last night, that I turned off the game. It became sickening and unwatchable to me. My 8 year old son asked why I turned it off (we've been watching most of the games together this season) and I told him I was sick of watching blatant cheating. There is no way that we didn't draw any fouls during the first 1.5 quarters (except Dre's one AND 1 attempt) that should have resulted in FTA's. I found last night to be so horrific I was just done with the NBA. Screw them and their agendas. Why give Minnesota such an advantage? I know the Pistons aren't the sexiest team around, but why are they pimping the T-wolves so hard? The start of the game and disparity in FT's in the first 1.5 quarters just made me wanna puke. Gimme a break NBA.

I turned it off as well. Same thing I did with the Lions game when they called roughing the passer and defensive holding on Suh. I'm tired of supporting these industries and being cheated as a fan. The NFL will never ever get another penny from me. I've supported the Lions for all the bad years but I won't be cheated out of victories when we have a good team.

Its been really miserable being a Lions/Piston fan with the Refs of these leagues.

[Q00]

^Those calls in that Lions game were unbelievable.

I thought when that game started, even though it wasn't going to be a pretty game to watch, on the bright side it probably wasn't going to be a game where the officials decide it, because there was no way to really call anything in those conditions. Yet they found a way to consistently mess with the Lions all game. From that call in the end zone when he was out of bounds the first TD to all the horrible personal foul calls.

Once Philly started coming back and Fox started playing the Rocky theme music going in/out of the commercials, you kind of knew something fishy was going on here.

[irishfury6]

^Those calls in that Lions game were unbelievable.

I thought when that game started, even though it wasn't going to be a pretty game to watch, on the bright side it probably wasn't going to be a game where the officials decide it, because there was no way to really call anything in those conditions. Yet they found a way to consistently mess with the Lions all game. From that call in the end zone when he was out of bounds the first TD to all the horrible personal foul calls.

Once Philly started coming back and Fox started playing the Rocky theme music going in/out of the commercials, you kind of knew something fishy was going on here.

Yup I supported the NFL and the lions during the 0-16. I won't be cheated outright like that. It went. Roughing the passer/defensive holding/Out of bounds.

It really took the fight out of the team. People like the blame the Lions but if you where cheated at your job like they where you would have a hard time keeping focus as well.

Lets not forget Stafford was clobbered the next series after the roughing the passer on Fairley. Later hit and harder hit and wasn't called.

I've been a die hard NFL/Lions supporter for 15 years. No more.

[Billl]

"Am I being a homer or unrealistic in what I should expect from NBA refs? "

Yes. We took 28 3's. We made few attempts to get it into the post. Our only guard who normally draws contact in the paint didn't play. Add in the fact that love and Pek basically just stand still with their hands up instead of challenging shots and you have the recipe for a low foul game for us. Sure, the ref's missed a couple calls, but the wolves were just begging us to take jump shots and we fell right into that.

[Jackattaq]

"Am I being a homer or unrealistic in what I should expect from NBA refs? "

Yes. We took 28 3's. We made few attempts to get it into the post. Our only guard who normally draws contact in the paint didn't play. Add in the fact that love and Pek basically just stand still with their hands up instead of challenging shots and you have the recipe for a low foul game for us. Sure, the ref's missed a couple calls, but the wolves were just begging us to take jump shots and we fell right into that.

12-1 FTA's Wolves to Pistons to start the game. Did you not see how Love was getting to the line every time? Even when he went OVER THE BACK to get rebounds it was a foul on the guy with inside position. It was a farce. You are right, they shot too many perimeter shots, but that tends to happen when a team gets frustrated from not getting a fair shake when they actually DO GO INSIDE. For a team that been top 5 in points in the paint to totally abandon that mentality has got to say something.

[mercury]

The refs are accountable... they are subject to fines and reviews for future assignments... The head of officials Don Vadem & Mike Bantom review each game and make recommendations.
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[qm22]

I didn't watch that game but the NBA officiating is nothing if not inconsistent.

I always wished we had a lobbyist like Vogel who takes some fines and then allows us to get away with aggressive, physical defense.

I think the most optimal strategy is to be a team that 1) fouls as much as possible (rather than get called for each foul, you desensitize refs to your playing style and have a higher threshold for a foul), 2) argue about calls dramatically from the playing and coaching level, in and out of games, 3) do a lot of sneaky fouls. The third would be having flop artists like Kevin Durant and James Harden, but having them is not really something you get to decide on.

The above sounds really stupid, but there are a lot of teams that basically foul as norm and the refs begin to view it as normal. Often teams that get frustrated when facing them retaliate and then get called for the foul because they do something that stands out from their norms.

[pistons773]

Because the NBA has become the WWF. Personal Foul by Donaghy is an excellent read by the way. It confirmed a lot of what I already thought about officiating in the NBA. Detroit isn't a big market team and we aren't a league favorite for merchandise sales.

[RSCD3_]

Donaghy is a pathological liar so I wouldnt follow his words like a prophet

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