2013-2014 College Basketball / '14 NBA Draft Thread

[Foshan]

I hate locking the old thread because it had so much good stuff in it, but seems like it got to long and pwn'd our board.

Here is the old one: viewtopic.php?f=26&t=1259492&start=3300

Carry on.

[Foshan]

So, MOUHAMMADOU JAITEH just threw his name into the ring for this years draft. Seems reports said he got some interest last year from teams looking to draft and stash at the end of the 1st early 2nd... I guess he didn't like that idea as he withdrew. So would you be interested in him, and where would you pick him (as you look at our plethora of picks!)

Personally I wouldn't be opposed to taking him at 32 and having him actually come over and develop here with our team. Don't know too much about him, but he definitely has the physical tools.

[YouTube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gXSoRRhCjxM[/YouTube]

To be quite honest though, I really don't see Hinkie picking at #32. Either he moves up into the late first round cheaply, or he moves down a few picks in the second (and get's paid an additional future second for the trouble).

[BNelley24]

All I know is I'm so annoyed how Parker & Wiggins have 1 bad game and now they are getting blasted on our Philly radio...

[Eyeamok]

All I know is I'm so annoyed how Parker & Wiggins have 1 bad game and now they are getting blasted on our Philly radio...

It's a calculated ploy designed to get an emotional reaction from listeners. Get them to call in and vent their frustrations more ratings. It's been a tanking season and now 2 of the best prospects in the upcoming draft just stunk it up on national TV. OMG philly is this what we have tanked for!!!!

If we had kept our usual routine, 8th seed playoff birth or just missing the playoffs, we would be drooling at the bit at the opportunity to move up in the draft to have a crack at any of the top 8 talent. We would be hoping beyond hope that the NO pick would be #6 if we actually made the playoffs.

Randel and Gordon would be the major topics of conversation on this board.

But what do I know.

[SixerFever215]

So, MOUHAMMADOU JAITEH just threw his name into the ring for this years draft. Seems reports said he got some interest last year from teams looking to draft and stash at the end of the 1st early 2nd... I guess he didn't like that idea as he withdrew. So would you be interested in him, and where would you pick him (as you look at our plethora of picks!)

Personally I wouldn't be opposed to taking him at 32 and having him actually come over and develop here with our team. Don't know too much about him, but he definitely has the physical tools.

[YouTube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gXSoRRhCjxM[/YouTube]

To be quite honest though, I really don't see Hinkie picking at #32. Either he moves up into the late first round cheaply, or he moves down a few picks in the second (and get's paid an additional future second for the trouble).

I really like Mouhammadou Jaiteh I remember watching him play on that loaded World Team in the Nike Hoop Summit last year. I think the 76ers should draft him because he going to do the dirty work, watching an interview of his during the Hoop Summit he talked about how he just wants to play the kid is hungry. He has a NBA ready body I think he could help the 76ers right away defending and rebounding. Love the fact he's only 19 and with the 76ers staff really focusing on developing players unlike most teams, Mouhammadou would great 1 on 1 coaching daily he has really good hands and shoots 70% from the foul line now assistant Scott Froster has to teach him a few post moves lol

[BobThornton]

NOT GOOD if Parker and Embiid don't declare for the draft....


Brady (Portland)


Why would anyone take Joel Embiid inside the top 10. I understand the upside but what big man that is injury prone has become healthy while playing in the NBA?


Chad Ford
(1:10 PM)


If Embiid declares for the draft, and it's a big if right now, NBA docs are going to look at that back very closely. Until that happens, we don't really know what the long term ramifications are of his back injury and it's sort of pointless to speculate. It could be minor or it could be a Jared Sullinger type situation. Remember Sullinger was projected as a Top 6 pick before NBA docs at the combine concluded that he'd need back surgery at some point. Sullinger dropped about 15 spots in the draft and sure enough, mid season Sullinger went down with back issues and had to have back surgery. But that's sort of a worst case scenario. We just don't know yet. I think, no matter what, even the concern about the back might lead to Embiid getting passed by as a potential No. 1 pick. But most teams still have him in the Top 3.




calexan1 (Columbus, OH)


I know Jabari Parker was publicly disappointed at his efforts in Duke's shocking loss to Mercer in the 1st Round (he should be), and he feels that his freshman season was "incomplete", but at the end of the day, I can't see him turning down the likelihood that he'll be a consensus Top 5 pick in the 2014 NBA Draft...maybe Top 3, versus coming back to Duke for his Sophomore year. Your thoughts?



Chad Ford
(1:05 PM)


He's probably a Top 3 consensus right now with a few teams that would take him No. 1. So I don't think the issue is draft stock and I still think it's likely that he declares. The two issues for him are 1. He really enjoys school, wants to win a NCAA championship and Duke is going to have a loaded team next year with Jahil Okafor, Tyus Jones and Justise Winslow (ranked as No. 1, No. 4 and No. 11 incoming high school prospects by ESPN) all coming in. 2. He wants to be ready for the NBA and even though he's widely regarded as the most NBA ready freshman prospect, it's clear he has things to work on including his conditioning, defense and jumper. Jabari isn't all about the NBA so he'll take those things into consideration. At the end of the day, I think he's in. However, if he pulled a Marcus Smart and came back, wouldn't shock me either

[BobThornton]

Cody (St. Louis)


Is Noah Vonleh a PF or C in the NBA?



Chad Ford
(1:24 PM)


Probably a PF. Kevin Pelton made a nice statistical comp between Vonleh and Bosh this week and I think you can see the connection between the two. Bosh played some center in the NBA with the Raptors, but he's really a four. Vonleh's the one guy, to me, who, with great workouts, could move his stock into the Top 5. He's a little rawer than other prospects, but he's got major upside.

[BobThornton]

Nathan Benron (Edmonton, Ab, Canada)


Are we all overreacting to the disappointing game that Wiggins had in the 2nd round? To me, Stanford just had the right combination to get it done - big bigs and a strategy where they often sent 2 players in the zone towards Wiggins. Further, I think the announcers made a very apt point in questioning why Coach Self never made the adjustment to put Wiggins in attack mode from the foul line up in the zone. These are things that NBA coaches will do - to help put Wiggins in the right spots to succeed. Is he still the #1 prospect this year if he comes out?


Chad Ford
(1:15 PM)


I love all the Canadians coming to the defense of Wiggins. You are right. Stanford had a great plan to neutralize Wiggins and neither he nor Bill Self really made the adjustments they needed to. This is all exacerbated by the fact that Wiggins had a rep early in the year of being too passive. Watching the game, I didn't think he was really being passive and neither did most scouts I spoke with. He was really well defended and didn't come up with an alternative. Of course, in the NBA, you are also really well defended. Defenses take away the things you love to do. Wiggins is going to have to continue to improve his skill set. But I haven't heard anyone in the NBA suggest that this one game will affect his draft stock at all. He's the No. 1 guy on our board and he's the No. 1 guy on most NBA boards right now. That can still change as we get into workouts and physicals, but I'd be surprised if it did.
Tomas (Lithuania)


Why Julius Randle isn't in the same group with Jabari Wiggins Embiid?For me he is a 20/10 guy waiting to happen. He will be 6'9 270-280 monster who is athletic can handle shoot pretty well for a PF, handle great for a PF, rebound great, pass well, and I believe he is a better defender at the next level than Parker



Chad Ford
(1:17 PM)


He was at the start of the season. But Kentucky's struggles along with his own (didn't have the jump shot he was advertised to have and struggled to finish over length around the basket combined with uninspired defensive efforts) dinged his stock a little. He's still ranked No. 5 on our Big Board and in certain scenarios could go a little higher. His play in the first two rounds has been terrific. If he can outplay Monrezl Harrell of Louisville and lead UK to the Final Four, he might be back in that conversation. Scouts are willing to give these elite young prospects the benefit of the doubt.

[Negrodamus]

I don't anticipate Harrell playing on Randle. The past two games, UK has moved Randle on the perimeter more. If Harrell plays on Randle, that will take him out of the paint and will take away his best asset, help defense and rebounding. He'll play on WCS or Johnson. At least, if I'm Pitino, that's what I'm doing.

[Hardcore6erFan]

I wonder if the Bulls would do something like #11 and #32 for #16 and #20. I love Warren or Anderson at #16. And at #20 I like Stauskus or Early.

[Skates]

If Parker and Embiid don't come out it won't be the end of the world. Wiggins and Randle will declare, Exum and Vonleh already did, Smart certainly will.

Under that scenario I would rank them Wiggins, Exum, Randle/Vonleh (they are so close in my mind, though I favor Vonleh a bit) then Smart at five. I would be pretty happy with any of those top four.

[LloydFree]

I wonder if the Bulls would do something like #11 and #32 for #16 and #20. I love Warren or Anderson at #16. And at #20 I like Stauskus or Early.

I think it would be presumptous to think Anderson will be on the board at 16, and that Stauskas would be on the board at 20.
If I'm Chicago, I would not do that deal. IMO, the players from 9-20 are all on the same tier. Unless Chicago really has their heart set on somebody, it makes no sense to give up that #20. They can get 2 of the same level player.

If I'm the 76ers, if I want another pick, I look at the Dallas pick that Oklahoma is about to get. The Thunder may not want to commit to 2 more guaranteed contracts. Give them the #32, 47 and #55 for the #22 pick.

[Hardcore6erFan]

I wonder if the Bulls would do something like #11 and #32 for #16 and #20. I love Warren or Anderson at #16. And at #20 I like Stauskus or Early.

I think it would be presumptous to think Anderson will be on the board at 16, and that Stauskas would be on the board at 20.
If I'm Chicago, I would not do that deal. IMO, the players from 9-20 are all on the same tier. Unless Chicago really has their heart set on somebody, it makes no sense to give up that #20. They can get 2 of the same level player.

If I'm the 76ers, if I want another pick, I look at the Dallas pick that Oklahoma is about to get. The Thunder may not want to commit to 2 more guaranteed contracts. Give them the #32, 47 and #55 for the #22 pick.

Probably right about Chicago not doing that. Thunder would probably want a 2nd round pick next year instead of #47. Otherwise I could see that happening.

[sixers hoops]

I wonder if the Bulls would do something like #11 and #32 for #16 and #20. I love Warren or Anderson at #16. And at #20 I like Stauskus or Early.

I think it would be presumptous to think Anderson will be on the board at 16, and that Stauskas would be on the board at 20.
If I'm Chicago, I would not do that deal. IMO, the players from 9-20 are all on the same tier. Unless Chicago really has their heart set on somebody, it makes no sense to give up that #20. They can get 2 of the same level player.

If I'm the 76ers, if I want another pick, I look at the Dallas pick that Oklahoma is about to get. The Thunder may not want to commit to 2 more guaranteed contracts. Give them the #32, 47 and #55 for the #22 pick.

Probably right about Chicago not doing that.

It really depends who is on the board. I believe the guys 9-20 are the same tier also, but Chicago may love someone available at the 10 pick, as may the sixers. The 10 & 32 for 16 & 20 is really good value depending on each teams draft board.

[LloydFree]

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[LloydFree]

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[sixerswillrule]

Cody (St. Louis)


Is Noah Vonleh a PF or C in the NBA?



Chad Ford
(1:24 PM)


Probably a PF. Kevin Pelton made a nice statistical comp between Vonleh and Bosh this week and I think you can see the connection between the two. Bosh played some center in the NBA with the Raptors, but he's really a four. Vonleh's the one guy, to me, who, with great workouts, could move his stock into the Top 5. He's a little rawer than other prospects, but he's got major upside.

It's strange that he brings up Bosh playing center with the Raptors but ignores his most recent time there with his current team.

[76ciology]

Vonleh? We should focus more on Jusuf and Cauley stein because no way we are going to get Vonleh with the Pels' pick.

[sixers23]

Cauley-Stein is one guy I'm positive we won't pick

[76ciology]

Cauley-Stein is one guy I'm positive we won't pick

Not that I want Cauley-Stein or anything. But Cauley-Stein is one of the BPA available at the 10-12th pick range. Personally, I have Kyle Anderson on top of my realistic wishlist with the Pels' pick.