Dieng/Biyombo

[Xerxes_Tetra]

Dieng's showed some promise though is still raw - some big games recently, 11 ppg, 10 rpg, 2 bpg in 30 mpg on 42% shooting in April. Who knows whether this is a blip or the signs of consistently good play in the future. Obviously everyone here knows Biyombo.

[LamarMatic7]

We can all try and tell ourselves that Biz can be come an elite defender, yet no one can deny the fact that the odds are against him (these are they key words) becoming a quality starting center. So, yes, I would rather take a stab at the guy who can also play defense and already has had numerous monster double doubles in his rookie year if Minny would indeed offer such a trade (which wouldn't likely happen).

[JDR720]

I would accept this trade, why? Because Dieng isn't a complete liability on offense....but he is older and we finally got a bigman coach for Biz so i dont know

[Diop]

I guess I would probably have to take it, it would kill me to see Biz go though. He is so damn likeable.

[BeesWax]

I said no. Biz is younger and a better defender and athlete than Dieng. Biz finally has a big man coach in Ewing that actually knows something. His lack of coaching over his short career here and abroad has left him raw. I think Ewing can turn him into something.

[catch20two]

Hell no. Dieng shooting 42% to average 11 points in over 30 minutes? He's a inefficient chucking center. Biz is better to me.

[BlackOutBuzz]

Maybe if the best player o during our playoff run wasn't a center, but instead I'll take 21-year-old Biz over Dieng at 24 as a developmental backup.

Though I definitely like Dieng, thought he was underrated during draft time.

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[DY_nasty]

Dieng is 24? lol

ain't nobody got time for that

[LamarMatic7]

Hell no. Dieng shooting 42% to average 11 points in over 30 minutes? He's a inefficient chucking center. Biz is better to me.

wow. To call a rookie center who takes 10 field goal attempts per 36, most of them being at the rim, at a 49% clip a chucker. That really is a first...

[JDR720]

Biz is 21, Dieng is 24, by the time Biz is 24 he will be better than Dieng is right now so actually i'll keep Biz

[JDR720]

random question/thought, if Bismack can learn to catch a ball in the offseason how much better do you think he will be even if he doesn't develop any more post skills?

[catch20two]

Hell no. Dieng shooting 42% to average 11 points in over 30 minutes? He's a inefficient chucking center. Biz is better to me.

wow. To call a rookie center who takes 10 field goal attempts per 36, most of them being at the rim, at a 49% clip a chucker. That really is a first...

The OP put 42%. That's inefficient for a big man. Case closed.

[LamarMatic7]

random question/thought, if Bismack can learn to catch a ball in the offseason how much better do you think he will be even if he doesn't develop any more post skills?

I think he's quite adept at making the post moves themselves. The problem is getting there in the first place (catching the ball and then not messing up the dribble, direction of the move). I imagine that as far as going 1 on 1 against an assistant coach in practice is concerned he's quite good at performing the moves.

[LamarMatic7]

Hell no. Dieng shooting 42% to average 11 points in over 30 minutes? He's a inefficient chucking center. Biz is better to me.

wow. To call a rookie center who takes 10 field goal attempts per 36, most of them being at the rim, at a 49% clip a chucker. That really is a first...

The OP put 42%. That's inefficient for a big man. Case closed.

And you're not capable of looking up his percentage for the whole season which is 49%?

Or do you rather insist on putting so much emphasis on to 6 games in April? How about the previous 6 games where he randomly made 70% of his field goals? If that was the stat OP used, would you change up your stance?

And even if the percentage is good or bad, how the hell can you call someone a chucker based on six games of evidence and completely ignoring the way the player plays or the number of field goal attempts?

Could I take some random stint from Biyombo's career where he went 42% from the field and call him out of all people a chucker?

The case is far from being closed. Don't take this the wrong way, but to quote the great street philosopher Bubbles - that was some weak-ass thinking.

[catch20two]

wow. To call a rookie center who takes 10 field goal attempts per 36, most of them being at the rim, at a 49% clip a chucker. That really is a first...

The OP put 42%. That's inefficient for a big man. Case closed.

And you're not capable of looking up his percentage for the whole season which is 49%?

Or do you rather insist on putting so much emphasis on to 6 games in April? How about the previous 6 games where he randomly made 70% of his field goals? If that was the stat OP used, would you change up your stance?

And even if the percentage is good or bad, how the hell can you call someone a chucker based on six games of evidence and completely ignoring the way the player plays or the number of field goal attempts?

Could I take some random stint from Biyombo's career where he went 42% from the field and call him out of all people a chucker?

The case is far from being closed. Don't take this the wrong way, but to quote the great street philosopher Bubbles - that was some weak-ass thinking.

The thread is about Dieng's recent numbers with more minutes. I could care less about what Dieng does in 5 minutes a game in garbage time earlier in the season.

[Eoghan]

I said no. Biz is younger and a better defender and athlete than Dieng. Biz finally has a big man coach in Ewing that actually knows something. His lack of coaching over his short career here and abroad has left him raw. I think Ewing can turn him into something.

This. Dieng is pretty much a finished product. Biz's impact on defense outweighs Dieng's total game IMO.

[LamarMatic7]

The OP put 42%. That's inefficient for a big man. Case closed.

And you're not capable of looking up his percentage for the whole season which is 49%?

Or do you rather insist on putting so much emphasis on to 6 games in April? How about the previous 6 games where he randomly made 70% of his field goals? If that was the stat OP used, would you change up your stance?

And even if the percentage is good or bad, how the hell can you call someone a chucker based on six games of evidence and completely ignoring the way the player plays or the number of field goal attempts?

Could I take some random stint from Biyombo's career where he went 42% from the field and call him out of all people a chucker?

The case is far from being closed. Don't take this the wrong way, but to quote the great street philosopher Bubbles - that was some weak-ass thinking.

The thread is about Dieng's recent numbers with more minutes. I could care less about what Dieng does in 5 minutes a game in garbage time earlier in the season.

He averaged the same amount of minutes the previous 9 games during which he shot with .645 FG%. None of which really matters since it's still ridiculous that you called him a chucker.

[Liver_Pooty]

Bonnell cut down Biyombo pretty bad again today, and although im not a big proponent of Biyombo it kind of pissed me off.

That being said Im completely split on whether I would give up Biyombo for Dieng. We have invested 3 years on Biyombo

[BeesWax]

wow. To call a rookie center who takes 10 field goal attempts per 36, most of them being at the rim, at a 49% clip a chucker. That really is a first...

The OP put 42%. That's inefficient for a big man. Case closed.

And you're not capable of looking up his percentage for the whole season which is 49%?

Or do you rather insist on putting so much emphasis on to 6 games in April? How about the previous 6 games where he randomly made 70% of his field goals? If that was the stat OP used, would you change up your stance?

And even if the percentage is good or bad, how the hell can you call someone a chucker based on six games of evidence and completely ignoring the way the player plays or the number of field goal attempts?

Could I take some random stint from Biyombo's career where he went 42% from the field and call him out of all people a chucker?

The case is far from being closed. Don't take this the wrong way, but to quote the great street philosopher Bubbles - that was some weak-ass thinking.

But in his defense when he started putting up his big numbers his % dropped. So you get a 50% guy who scores 7 a game or a 42% guy who gets 12 a game. You have to look at how he is doing when scoring the points you are using for your argument.

[Liver_Pooty]

This off season is going to be huge for not only Biyombo, but MKG as well. If Biyombo doesn't show some nice improvement Im not sure that the front office will give him the 5.5 million dollar qualifying offer for the 15/16 season. I hope he pulls through for us.