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NY Daily News: Cubs Samardzija would make Jays real deal 

Post#1 » by Waylon Mercy » Fri May 30, 2014 12:58 pm

Are the scorching Blue Jays for real?

“They are if they trade for (Jeff) Samardzija,” an American League executive said on Thursday. “And I’ve got to believe they’ll go hard for him. They went all in last year because they thought the division was there to be taken.

“Well, now it is, and they’ve put themselves in position, but they probably need another front-line starter. Why wouldn’t they do it?”

Makes sense. The Jays need to reach the postseason to justify their pre-2013 trades for aging pitchers R.A. Dickey and Mark Buerhle, as well as Jose Reyes, so you’d think GM Alex Anthopoulos would be looking to seize the moment.

The Jays, who had a nine-game winning streak before falling 8-6 to the Royals in 10 innings Thursday night, have the offensive firepower to win the watered-down AL East.

With Reyes and a re-born Melky Cabrera setting the table for bash brothers Edwin Encarnacion and Jose Bautista, Toronto was leading the AL in runs scored, home runs, slugging percentage and OPS.

With Buerhle riding a career-best wave and Dickey knuckleballing nicely, if nothing like his Cy Young season with the Mets, the Jays’ starting pitching has been better than expected.

Samardzija, who can be a free agent after 2015, is the obvious guy to put them over the top, and the rebuilding Cubs seem likely to trade the 29-year-old righthander.

The Yankees, of course, would love to deal for Samardzija themselves, but they may not be a good match since the Cubs will be looking for young pitching to go with their highly touted position-player prospects.

The Orioles are thought to be very interested in trading for the Cubs’ righthander as well, and they’re in a position similar to the Blue Jays, needing a top pitcher.

But the Jays’ pursuit would be especially intriguing since Anthopoulos looked like the big loser a year ago, especially in his trade with the Mets, dealing Noah Syndergaard and Travis d’Arnaud for Dickey and Josh Thole.

This year, however, Dickey (5-4, 4.30) has bounced back from a mediocre 2013, and Thole was hitting .340 as the backup catcher, while d’Arnaud has yet to blossom.

Of course, if Syndergaard lives up to the scouting reports, he might just make the trade look bad for the Blue Jays for years to come.

“Don’t think Alex doesn’t know that, either,” said a fellow AL exec.

But would the Jays give up promising 23-year-old righthander Drew Hutchison, who has been solid for them in his rookie season? Baseball people feel they’d probably have to as part of a package for Samardzija.

It would be a gamble, especially if Samardzija could leave after next season. Then again, the real gamble was last year. Now the Jays have a shot at a payoff.


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Post#2 » by RaptorJ » Fri May 30, 2014 1:12 pm

I'd think giving up Hutchison would be a lateral move. He's been better than Dickey so far and I really don't see Dickey magically improving as the year goes on and into next season.
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Post#3 » by Back2back2back » Fri May 30, 2014 1:18 pm

How is this a lateral move?

If we want to go all in this year we have to make this move.

We have some strong arms in the minors that can replace Hutch in the future.

Also Hutch has had Tommy John surgery and will be limited to less than 200 innings this season.
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Post#4 » by Santoki » Fri May 30, 2014 1:34 pm

You guys are crazy to give up Hutch for Samardzija. He's had a good run out there this year but you can find cheaper options that won't make you throw in the only actual young major league ready pitcher the Jays have.
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Post#5 » by rarefind » Fri May 30, 2014 2:00 pm

Complete lateral move. If you trade for him, you are giving up prospects who won't impact the big league team this year not the guy who has been the second best pitcher on the team this year.

There are other pitchers on the market that will be much more cost effective.
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Post#6 » by Back2back2back » Fri May 30, 2014 2:31 pm

Are you guys telling me that Hutch is a better pitcher right now than Samardzija?

Who would you rather have starting in a playoff series?

Even if we made the playoffs, Hutch won't be pitching.

You have to sacrifice something to get something in return.

Bautista is geting older. So is EE and Reyes. The time is now.
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Post#7 » by Santoki » Fri May 30, 2014 2:38 pm

Back2back2back wrote:Are you guys telling me that Hutch is a better pitcher right now than Samardzija?

Who would you rather have starting in a playoff series?

Even if we made the playoffs, Hutch won't be pitching.

You have to sacrifice something to get something in return.

Bautista is geting older. So is EE and Reyes. The time is now.


You really need to slow down and digest what we're saying. No one has said that Hutch is a better pitcher than Samardzija right now. What we're conveying is that you're trading our youngest, and right now 2nd best starter, to get more help in the rotation. That doesn't make any sense. You're not significantly upgrading the rotation enough by doing that. If you were replacing Hendriks or Happ with Samardzija then obviously there is a much more significant impact. I would rather trade Stroman or Sanchez, hell even both, than Hutch right now. The guy has the mentality and makeup to be a front line starter for years to come. I think this team can make the playoffs and compete without Jeff Samardzija. They can find another starter who can provide what they need without trading such a significant piece.

Bautista and Edwin are not going to turn into bums by this time next year. The window is not just this season. Trade Stroman or Sanchez before you even touch Hutch. And, honestly, if I'm even contemplating trading Hutch, there's no way I do it for Jeff ****' Samardzija.
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Post#8 » by Back2back2back » Fri May 30, 2014 3:04 pm

Don't tell me to slow down. I have an opinion and I'm expressing it on this forum and topic.

And to be honest I think Stroman and Sanchez have a better upside than Hutch, and I wouldn't trade any of these guys, or both at that. That's insane on your part to even suggest this.

Hutch has been through TJS and that scares the living **** out of me.

There is no guarantee he will be as dominant in the coming years. He might even regress or get injured again.

Are you able to predict the future Santoki? How can you say Bautista and EE won't regress in anyway shape or form next year??

I disagree with your comment that this team can make the playoffs and compete without acquiring another ace in the rotation. Not any starter that is. We need a top of the rotation type of player. Samardzija fits that bill.
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Post#9 » by tecumseh18 » Fri May 30, 2014 3:14 pm

Why are we even discussing this? AA has come out and said he's not in on Shark. Now it's fun to call it smokescreen or a negotiating tactic, but I think AA has learned a bit about managing fan expectations since the Darvish fiasco. He doesn't want to be criticized for not making a move he had no intention of making to begin with.
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Post#10 » by Santoki » Fri May 30, 2014 3:19 pm

Back2back2back wrote:Don't tell me to slow down. I have an opinion and I'm expressing it on this forum and topic.

And to be honest I think Stroman and Sanchez have a better upside than Hutch, and I wouldn't trade any of these guys, or both at that. That's insane on your part to even suggest this.

Hutch has been through TJS and that scares the living **** out of me.

There is no guarantee he will be as dominant in the coming years. He might even regress or get injured again.

Are you able to predict the future Santoki? How can you say Bautista and EE won't regress in anyway shape or form next year??

I disagree with your comment that this team can make the playoffs and compete without acquiring another ace in the rotation. Not any starter that is. We need a top of the rotation type of player. Samardzija fits that bill.


I'm not telling you to not express your opinion. I'm telling you to slow down and read others before you make reactionary posts.

And, no, I can't predict the future Back2back2back. But Bautista and Edwin have proven that they are legitimate superstars and the chances of them completely deteriorating in a year's time are far, far lower than the chances that either Stroman or Sanchez become front of the line rotation pitchers in the majors. At the same time, can you predict the future? Can you unequivocally tell me that they are going to be useless after this season? Is Hutch's arm going to fall off? Are Stroman and Sanchez going to be future aces? No, you can't tell me any of that either. All you can do is use proven MLB experience to help predict the future...the rest is a crapshoot.

So, yes, if I had a gun to my head and had to trade for Jeff Samardzija and my options were Hutch vs Stroman/Sanchez, I'd pick for the latter. Like you said, the window is seemingly short, so why would you trade the guy that's actually in the rotation and pitching well? And, so what if he's had TJ surgery. There are lots of pitchers that have had issues early in their career and become great pitchers. Remember Chris Carpenter?
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Post#11 » by changes » Fri May 30, 2014 3:43 pm

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Post#12 » by Lateral Quicks » Fri May 30, 2014 3:45 pm

I'd be very reluctant to trade Hutch for Shark. Stroman and Sanchez, less so.
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Post#13 » by Back2back2back » Fri May 30, 2014 4:09 pm

Santoki wrote:
Back2back2back wrote:Don't tell me to slow down. I have an opinion and I'm expressing it on this forum and topic.

And to be honest I think Stroman and Sanchez have a better upside than Hutch, and I wouldn't trade any of these guys, or both at that. That's insane on your part to even suggest this.

Hutch has been through TJS and that scares the living **** out of me.

There is no guarantee he will be as dominant in the coming years. He might even regress or get injured again.

Are you able to predict the future Santoki? How can you say Bautista and EE won't regress in anyway shape or form next year??

I disagree with your comment that this team can make the playoffs and compete without acquiring another ace in the rotation. Not any starter that is. We need a top of the rotation type of player. Samardzija fits that bill.


I'm not telling you to not express your opinion. I'm telling you to slow down and read others before you make reactionary posts.

And, no, I can't predict the future Back2back2back. But Bautista and Edwin have proven that they are legitimate superstars and the chances of them completely deteriorating in a year's time are far, far lower than the chances that either Stroman or Sanchez become front of the line rotation pitchers in the majors. At the same time, can you predict the future? Can you unequivocally tell me that they are going to be useless after this season? Is Hutch's arm going to fall off? Are Stroman and Sanchez going to be future aces? No, you can't tell me any of that either. All you can do is use proven MLB experience to help predict the future...the rest is a crapshoot.

So, yes, if I had a gun to my head and had to trade for Jeff Samardzija and my options were Hutch vs Stroman/Sanchez, I'd pick for the latter. Like you said, the window is seemingly short, so why would you trade the guy that's actually in the rotation and pitching well? And, so what if he's had TJ surgery. There are lots of pitchers that have had issues early in their career and become great pitchers. Remember Chris Carpenter?


We both agree to disagree.

I know how to read, and I'm reading what others are saying. The article suggested (that is baseball people suggested.) a trade for Hutch. So I'm not the only "crazy" one.

I'm not predicting anything. All I'm saying is the window of opportunity with this group of players is shrinking, and we need to make a run this year.

If we make the postseason Hutch will not be pitching in this rotation post-Tommy John surgery. They will limit his innings to 160-180 this season. The fear comes from the unknown as they say, and we just don't know what will happen.

You are correct in saying that there have been many you have had TJ surgery and have been successful. There are also many you have had TJ surgery who have come back and were forced to return to the DL and had a second Tommy John surgery done.
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Post#14 » by Michael Bradley » Fri May 30, 2014 4:22 pm

Hutchison is already a very good MLB starter. Stroman and Sanchez are far more logical pieces to trade if you're going for a short term move.

My pipe dream was a Lee/Utley trade deadline deal (before Lee got hurt), as that would have filled two glaring holes in one deal, but that would definitely be too rich for Rogers.
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Post#15 » by distracted » Fri May 30, 2014 5:22 pm

Michael Bradley wrote:Hutchison is already a very good MLB starter. Stroman and Sanchez are far more logical pieces to trade if you're going for a short term move.

My pipe dream was a Lee/Utley trade deadline deal (before Lee got hurt), as that would have filled two glaring holes in one deal, but that would definitely be too rich for Rogers.


Now THAT would be **** going for it.
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Post#16 » by MikeM » Fri May 30, 2014 5:25 pm

We're likely looking at these rentals who could be available and won't cost an arm and a leg:

Scott Feldman
Jason Hammel
Brandon McCarthy
Gavin Floyd
Colby Lewis
Jake Peavy
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Post#17 » by Duffman100 » Fri May 30, 2014 10:41 pm

Back2back2back wrote:Don't tell me to slow down. I have an opinion and I'm expressing it on this forum and topic.


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I'd be scared to give up someone whose proven he can pitch in the AL East for someone who pitches in the National League.

Banking solely on the fact that he could pitch late in the season, with Hutchison not, is sketchy. We could collapse, he could get injured, etc etc.

Like someone said above, I'd rather go with a cheaper option. Must be one out there.
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Post#18 » by Schad » Fri May 30, 2014 10:44 pm

Also, that a pitcher has had TJ should not scare the **** out of anyone. Half of the pitchers in baseball, seemingly, have had TJ. The recovery prognosis these days is pretty damned excellent.
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Post#19 » by chhoon » Fri May 30, 2014 10:48 pm

sanchez yes hutch, stroman no
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Post#20 » by Raider917 » Fri May 30, 2014 11:41 pm

MikeM wrote:We're likely looking at these rentals who could be available and won't cost an arm and a leg:

Scott Feldman
Jason Hammel
Brandon McCarthy
Gavin Floyd
Colby Lewis
Jake Peavy

what would hammel cost?

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