HartfordWhalers wrote:The Rebel wrote:HartfordWhalers wrote:
And another high 2nd in 2015 (Orl) and a 2017 1st. Both of which haven't played yet so also probably don't matter?
Why would it matter today when judging a trade? Fact is the only way to tell if a team really won a trade they have to actually get all their players and see where they come out, I know some love the whole idea of draft picks, but reality is at this point neither team has won that trade as the results are yet to be determined, I would love to hear your argument otherwise.
Just the obvious commonsense ones. Clearly those are assets. Discounting them to 0 is just idiotic imo. Would you really say Denver didn't lose a trade if they traded 3 future firsts for a back of the bench player cause the firsts might turn out worse in time? No., thats just plain idiotic.
If in 3 years a new GM picks a terrible player with a pick doesn't make this trade worse, it just makes that decision then worse. Assets are assets. Some lead to wins now. Some lead to wins later. Some get squandered along the way, and some turn into more along te way. However the only sensible way to judge a trade is to actually look at the assets, not ignore the ones that aren't leading to wins right then.
Oh so you only want to include future considerations such as trading the 10th pick for other picks, as long as it adds to the way the 76ers come out of the trade, but feel we should ignore the results on the returns on the deal.
As for your hypothetical, of course I would not be happy about trading 3 future 1sts for an end of the bench player, the odds are you will get better than that out of the 3 picks, of course I could not say the same thing as the deal we are talking about.
There are numerous studies, and you can look at the results yourself, the odds of getting a young player that makes the all star team out of any of the 4 picks is very low, meaning the 76ers traded a young all star for 2 mid lotto picks which combined will likely not give you a player as good as Holiday, so no I would not say that the 76ers clearly won the trade, I would say they did okay considering their goals, but that does not mean they clearly won the deal by a lot, which is what the post I originally quoted said.