HEY! Lions at Bears - a 3 & Out Special going on

johnnyvann840 · Post #2 » by **johnnyvann840** » Sun Dec 21, 2014 7:32 pm

I like Jimmy

Butler.

Seriously, though. I thought Jimmy C just played a very good half under the circumstances. I like his attitude and just the way he handles himself.

johnnyvann840 · Post #3 » by **johnnyvann840** » Sun Dec 21, 2014 8:00 pm

Damn.. Jimmy looking really good and smart against a VERY good defensive team.

Kelly Slater · Post #4 » by **Kelly Slater** » Sun Dec 21, 2014 8:25 pm

Jimmy looks great. 2 touch down passes and zero interceptions. I hope the bears sign him to a long term deal after the season. Then I can retire my panthers Claussen Jersey and buy a Bears jersey.

Stratmaster · Post #5 » by **Stratmaster** » Sun Dec 21, 2014 9:23 pm

Well, it appears we have seen exactly what the Cutler haters, the national media, and the local media want to see in a QB as listening to them you would think Clausen just played a fantastic game leading the Bears to a huge offensive performance and win.

Then I look at the scoreboard and realize that the Bulls just put up the lowest scoring game of the season, and seven of those points were a gift. And this in a game where the worst defense in the league actually showed up a little.

It's not the QB.

Post #6 » by **chitownsports4ever** » Sun Dec 21, 2014 10:38 pm

Stratmaster wrote:Well, it appears we have seen exactly what the Cutler haters, the national media, and the local media want to see in a QB as listening to them you would think Clausen just played a fantastic game leading the Bears to a huge offensive performance and win.

Then I look at the scoreboard and realize that the Bulls just put up the lowest scoring game of the season, and seven of those points were a gift. And this in a game where the worst defense in the league actually showed up a little.

It's not the QB.

Actually it is the QB there was a ton of drops but you can clearly see the offense under Jay is not being ran the same way . Clause looks like Mccown back there while with Jay under center its look as though all thats being called is jump balls 35 yards down the field .

Watching this game made think they had no control over Jay whatsoever when he's on the field

Stratmaster · Post #7 » by **Stratmaster** » Sun Dec 21, 2014 10:46 pm

chitownsports4ever wrote:
Stratmaster wrote:Well, it appears we have seen exactly what the Cutler haters, the national media, and the local media want to see in a QB as listening to them you would think Clausen just played a fantastic game leading the Bears to a huge offensive performance and win.

Then I look at the scoreboard and realize that the Bulls just put up the lowest scoring game of the season, and seven of those points were a gift. And this in a game where the worst defense in the league actually showed up a little.

It's not the QB.

Actually it is the QB there was a ton of drops but you can clearly see the offense under Jay is not being ran the same way . Clause looks like Mccown back there while with Jay under center its look as though all thats being called is jump balls 35 yards down the field .

Watching this game made think they had no control over Jay whatsoever when he's on the field

Except..the no control claim was that Cutler wouldn't audible OUT of running plays, wasn't it? Why did the Bears suddenly go to a more balanced attack? But it doesn't matter, because their offense still sucked. Their defense played what was likely their best game of the season. they had 2 big special team plays without which they would have scored zero points. And they still lost. And Cutler had passes dropped every game, although I agree there were a couple more than usual today.

It doesn't matter who plays QB. Their offense sucks despite having some of the most highly touted weapons in the league. Period. The coaching staff responsible for this mess, and the team chemistry problems, and the out and out backstabbing and cancer in the locker room, is trying to make Cutler the scapegoat. Unfortunately, they showed again today they simply have no clue what they are doing.

Post #8 » by **chitownsports4ever** » Mon Dec 22, 2014 12:53 am

Stratmaster wrote:
chitownsports4ever wrote:
Stratmaster wrote:Well, it appears we have seen exactly what the Cutler haters, the national media, and the local media want to see in a QB as listening to them you would think Clausen just played a fantastic game leading the Bears to a huge offensive performance and win.

Then I look at the scoreboard and realize that the Bulls just put up the lowest scoring game of the season, and seven of those points were a gift. And this in a game where the worst defense in the league actually showed up a little.

It's not the QB.

Actually it is the QB there was a ton of drops but you can clearly see the offense under Jay is not being ran the same way . Clause looks like Mccown back there while with Jay under center its look as though all thats being called is jump balls 35 yards down the field .

Watching this game made think they had no control over Jay whatsoever when he's on the field

Except..the no control claim was that Cutler wouldn't audible OUT of running plays, wasn't it? Why did the Bears suddenly go to a more balanced attack? But it doesn't matter, because their offense still sucked. Their defense played what was likely their best game of the season. they had 2 big special team plays without which they would have scored zero points. And they still lost. And Cutler had passes dropped every game, although I agree there were a couple more than usual today.

It doesn't matter who plays QB. Their offense sucks despite having some of the most highly touted weapons in the league. Period. The coaching staff responsible for this mess, and the team chemistry problems, and the out and out backstabbing and cancer in the locker room, is trying to make Cutler the scapegoat. Unfortunately, they showed again today they simply have no clue what they are doing.

Defense have forced quite a few turnovers this year . The offense looks more balanced because the QB actually went through his reads and threw the ball to the open guy instead of just settling for jump balls into traffic .

Cutler for the last 6 years have over 20 turnover a season and how is he being scapegoated ?

Mccowns play last year was no mirage and Claussen stepped in after having not played in years and the offense still looked better even if the results were not immediately better. EVERYONE can see the difference in terms of what the offense is actually trying to do even if they didnt make every play today.

Stratmaster · Post #9 » by **Stratmaster** » Mon Dec 22, 2014 1:04 am

chitownsports4ever wrote:
Stratmaster wrote:
chitownsports4ever wrote:

Actually it is the QB there was a ton of drops but you can clearly see the offense under Jay is not being ran the same way . Clause looks like Mccown back there while with Jay under center its look as though all thats being called is jump balls 35 yards down the field .

Watching this game made think they had no control over Jay whatsoever when he's on the field

Except..the no control claim was that Cutler wouldn't audible OUT of running plays, wasn't it? Why did the Bears suddenly go to a more balanced attack? But it doesn't matter, because their offense still sucked. Their defense played what was likely their best game of the season. they had 2 big special team plays without which they would have scored zero points. And they still lost. And Cutler had passes dropped every game, although I agree there were a couple more than usual today.

It doesn't matter who plays QB. Their offense sucks despite having some of the most highly touted weapons in the league. Period. The coaching staff responsible for this mess, and the team chemistry problems, and the out and out backstabbing and cancer in the locker room, is trying to make Cutler the scapegoat. Unfortunately, they showed again today they simply have no clue what they are doing.

Defense have forced quite a few turnovers this year . The offense looks more balanced because the QB actually went through his reads and threw the ball to the open guy instead of just settling for jump balls into traffic .

Cutler for the last 6 years have over 20 turnover a season and how is he being scapegoated ?

Mccowns play last year was no mirage and Claussen stepped in after having not played in years and the offense still looked better even if the results were not immediately better. EVERYONE can see the difference in terms of what the offense is actually trying to do even if they didnt make every play today.

Yes, McCown's play was somewhat of a mirage. And Cutler's play last season pre-injury was fine. But it's cool. If you want the Bears to go back to "managing games" on offense, good for you. You just better hope they somehow miraculously start playing like the 84-85 Bears on defense. Because they aren't winning any games because of the offense they put on the field today.

Post #10 » by **chitownsports4ever** » Mon Dec 22, 2014 1:38 am

Stratmaster wrote:Yes, McCown's play was somewhat of a mirage. And Cutler's play last season pre-injury was fine. But it's cool. If you want the Bears to go back to "managing games" on offense, good for you. You just better hope they somehow miraculously start playing like the 84-85 Bears on defense. Because they aren't winning any games because of the offense they put on the field today.

But thats what you dont understand and I can see why you think Cutler Is great but the fact is EVERY great qb in the league today is a game manager . They can all shoot it out on occasion but they understand that to have a chance to win it all they have to be able to manage a game . Jay has not show that ability to do it consistently and so yeah I want someone who can manage a game because you at least will give yourself a chance even if you dont have the 85 bears defense because you surely wont be winning anything with your qb turning the ball over 24 times in 14 games

Stratmaster · Post #11 » by **Stratmaster** » Mon Dec 22, 2014 1:43 am

chitownsports4ever wrote:
Stratmaster wrote:Yes, McCown's play was somewhat of a mirage. And Cutler's play last season pre-injury was fine. But it's cool. If you want the Bears to go back to "managing games" on offense, good for you. You just better hope they somehow miraculously start playing like the 84-85 Bears on defense. Because they aren't winning any games because of the offense they put on the field today.

But thats what you dont understand and I can see why you think Cutler Is great but the fact is EVERY great qb in the league today is a game manager . They can all shoot it out on occasion but they understand that to have a chance to win it all they have to be able to manage a game . Jay has not show that ability to do it consistently and so yeah I want someone who can manage a game because you at least will give yourself a chance even if you dont have the 85 bears defense because you surely wont be winning anything with your qb turning the ball over 24 times in 14 games

I don't necessarily think Jay is "great". I don't think he has proven that. I don't think he, or any other Bears QB, has had a chance to prove that. First it was lack of weapons. Then they got weapons but the offensive line was like a sieve, to the point where I think the Chicago PD named the Chicago Bears passing pocket one of he most dangerous spots in all of Chicago. Then this season the stubborn refusal to run the ball enough, and also the refusal to roll Cutler out and move the pocket.

I am not judging QB's at this point. I am saying the problem isn't primarily the QB, whoever that QB is.

Post #12 » by **RedBulls23** » Mon Dec 22, 2014 4:34 am

I think the game by Clausen today doesn't make Cutler look good. Sure, the defense played great, but it helps that the QB doesn't turn the ball over and put's the defense in a tough spot. He went through his reads and didn't force stupid passes.

chitownsports is right.

johnnyvann840 · Post #13 » by **johnnyvann840** » Mon Dec 22, 2014 8:51 am

chitownsports4ever wrote:
Stratmaster wrote:Yes, McCown's play was somewhat of a mirage. And Cutler's play last season pre-injury was fine. But it's cool. If you want the Bears to go back to "managing games" on offense, good for you. You just better hope they somehow miraculously start playing like the 84-85 Bears on defense. Because they aren't winning any games because of the offense they put on the field today.

But thats what you dont understand and I can see why you think Cutler Is great but the fact is EVERY great qb in the league today is a game manager . They can all shoot it out on occasion but they understand that to have a chance to win it all they have to be able to manage a game . Jay has not show that ability to do it consistently and so yeah I want someone who can manage a game because you at least will give yourself a chance even if you dont have the 85 bears defense because you surely wont be winning anything with your qb turning the ball over 24 times in 14 games

And this is the bottom line truth if we want to get right down to it and stop Fing around the bush. It was the exact same thing in Denver and I hate to go to the "I was there in Denver when Jay was" card.. (because it's like deja vu from the whole Melo Drama) .. but its true, I was in Denver when Jay was there, and like Melo, I wasn't a huge fan when he was there and had the same complaints about him.

Cottage Grove · Post #14 » by **Cottage Grove** » Mon Dec 22, 2014 9:14 am

Red-Bulls83 wrote:I think the game by Clausen today doesn't make Cutler look good. Sure, the defense played great, but it helps that the QB doesn't turn the ball over and put's the defense in a tough spot. He went through his reads and didn't force stupid passes.

chitownsports is right.

This.

From what I saw from Clausen today I would sign him to a 2 yr deal as a starter or a 4 deal as a backup. He's accurate and he can manage an offense. He doesn't throw jumpballs because he can read a zone and get the ball out on time in a 3 or 5 step drop. If it wasn't for all the drops Jimmy would've gotten the W.

I'm praying the bears lose out so everyone can get fired and we can get a high pick and draft a MLB or safety.

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