Trade Deadline Thoughts- RJ Traded To DET BAD BOYZ, OKC lands Kanter! In Presti We Trust!

HeartSouloma · Post #1 » by **HeartSouloma** » Sun Feb 15, 2015 7:34 am

Well?

needs-

- another PG due to RJ situation
- maybe a low post scoring bigman
- wing man
- three point shooting
- better bench

any ideas?

Post #2 » by **bondom34** » Sun Feb 15, 2015 8:05 am

Dream? Trade Waiters, resign RJ in the offseason.

Really? Wilson Chandler or IT would be two guys I'd be interested in. Pretty sure the Lopez thing is dead w/ Adams out. The last thing they need is to trade for an injury prone big w/o Adams healthy.

HeartSouloma · Post #3 » by **HeartSouloma** » Sun Feb 15, 2015 8:35 am

I'm not too keen on OKC paying RJ 10-12 mill a season.... I wouldn't mind trading Waiters, but it doesn't seem like OKC are looking to move him, but then again who knows. I would love to add Wilson Chandler to this team for the right price. IT is ok for the right price.

don't know how long we're going to survive without Adams. We should be ok for now.

Kizz Fastfists · Post #4 » by **Kizz Fastfists** » Sun Feb 15, 2015 11:51 am

Enes Kanter. He wants out of Utah and having Kanter, Adams and Ibaka as your top 3 bigs would be a very good group. Brook Lopez would be nice as someone that could provide some inside scoring for the 2nd unit with Adams remaining the starter.
Greg Monroe is someone else that might be an option. Detroit is out of it and they do not have Monroe's bird rights due to him taking the QO. Outside of improving in the paint there isn't much I'd really be looking for. An upgrade at starting SG would be nice, but I don't see that happening.

I still don't know why people think RJ can get $10M+ on the open market. Similar players have gotten $6-8M the past two years and this is going to be a relatively deep FA class for PGs.

babase · Post #5 » by **babase** » Sun Feb 15, 2015 1:16 pm

Would have preferred trying to get Chandler/Thomas instead of wasting a pick on Waiters, but now I'm not really sure who they could realistically get.

Post #6 » by **bondom34** » Sun Feb 15, 2015 7:13 pm

Kizz Fastfists wrote:Enes Kanter. He wants out of Utah and having Kanter, Adams and Ibaka as your top 3 bigs would be a very good group. Brook Lopez would be nice as someone that could provide some inside scoring for the 2nd unit with Adams remaining the starter.
Greg Monroe is someone else that might be an option. Detroit is out of it and they do not have Monroe's bird rights due to him taking the QO. Outside of improving in the paint there isn't much I'd really be looking for. An upgrade at starting SG would be nice, but I don't see that happening.

I still don't know why people think RJ can get $10M+ on the open market. Similar players have gotten $6-8M the past two years and this is going to be a relatively deep FA class for PGs.

Detroit does have his bird rights. They don't however go w/ him in a trade, so if he's dealt the new team loses them.

hardenASG13 · Post #7 » by **hardenASG13** » Tue Feb 17, 2015 12:23 pm

Would love to see afflolo come in. If he did, hopefully he would start over Robertson, who just isn't ready offensively to start for a contender. Ideally, waiters or Perkins would he involved in this trade going to Denver. It'd be basically admitting waiters was a mistake, but he only cost a draft pick and okc doesn't need another young guy anyway, they should just bite the bullet and upgrade to afflolo (assuming he can still play, haven't seen him much this year). Also, hate to say it, but it might be time to trade reggie Jackson if they are not gonna play him consistently. I don't see him re signing at this point unfortunately, if they could get Lawson or brook Lopez for a deal involving reggie they might as well pull the trigger with how they are using him.

spearsy23 · Post #8 » by **spearsy23** » Tue Feb 17, 2015 12:54 pm

hardenASG13 wrote:Would love to see afflolo come in. If he did, hopefully he would start over Robertson, who just isn't ready offensively to start for a contender. Ideally, waiters or Perkins would he involved in this trade going to Denver. It'd be basically admitting waiters was a mistake, but he only cost a draft pick and okc doesn't need another young guy anyway, they should just bite the bullet and upgrade to afflolo (assuming he can still play, haven't seen him much this year). Also, hate to say it, but it might be time to trade reggie Jackson if they are not gonna play him consistently. I don't see him re signing at this point unfortunately, if they could get Lawson or brook Lopez for a deal involving reggie they might as well pull the trigger with how they are using him.

The main problem with trading for Afflalo is that Waiters can't be involved. His salary is too low to trade straight up and he can't be combined with other players. The only way it would work is Perkins for Afflalo and another deal like Waiters for Hickson. Anyway, we can't trade Perkins without getting a center back. Afflalo also isn't as much of an upgrade as his reputation would make you believe.

Balkman32 · Post #9 » by **Balkman32** » Tue Feb 17, 2015 4:21 pm

-Dorell Wright - I don't think we can get him directly from Portland. But, say he ends up in Denver, I am sure Denver would flip him to OKC

-Brook Lopez - But, with McGary showing his worth and Adams back in a couple of weeks is it really worth all of the cap room plus going deeper into the Lux tax. Plus there are the injury concerns and he could opt out and sign a contract w/ anyone this off season. A front line of: Adams/ McGary/ Ibaka/ Collison, I think is good enough. Especially with they way more and more teams are moving to Small Ball - Durant can be grouped in with the 4's.

-Aaron Afflalo or Wilson Chandler- Perkins would have to be included in this deal which means we would need at least another big back. Maybe Affalo and Darell Arthur for Perk and a future first. (Getting one of these guys will make it a lot easier for Brooks to put Durant @ the 4 and use either AA or Wilson @ the 3.

-Brandon Bass- Good big guy on an expiring deal could probably get for cheep.

-Isaiah Thomas - With the 3 point guards and the lack of depth at just about every other position. But, with both teams fighting for a playoff spot it is doubtful these two teams will strike a deal together.

Balkman32 · Post #10 » by **Balkman32** » Tue Feb 17, 2015 4:33 pm

I think this Reggie Jackson situation needs to be figured out. I don't know if the team might be better off w/o Jackson, Lamb, and Jones. The three musketeers give me some heartburn.

Balkman32 · Post #11 » by **Balkman32** » Tue Feb 17, 2015 4:34 pm

spearsy23 wrote:
hardenASG13 wrote:Would love to see afflolo come in. If he did, hopefully he would start over Robertson, who just isn't ready offensively to start for a contender. Ideally, waiters or Perkins would he involved in this trade going to Denver. It'd be basically admitting waiters was a mistake, but he only cost a draft pick and okc doesn't need another young guy anyway, they should just bite the bullet and upgrade to afflolo (assuming he can still play, haven't seen him much this year). Also, hate to say it, but it might be time to trade reggie Jackson if they are not gonna play him consistently. I don't see him re signing at this point unfortunately, if they could get Lawson or brook Lopez for a deal involving reggie they might as well pull the trigger with how they are using him.

The main problem with trading for Afflalo is that Waiters can't be involved. His salary is too low to trade straight up and he can't be combined with other players. The only way it would work is Perkins for Afflalo and another deal like Waiters for Hickson. Anyway, we can't trade Perkins without getting a center back. Afflalo also isn't as much of an upgrade as his reputation would make you believe.

I would throw up if we traded for Hickson.

Balkman32 · Post #12 » by **Balkman32** » Tue Feb 17, 2015 4:38 pm

hardenASG13 wrote:Would love to see afflolo come in. If he did, hopefully he would start over Robertson, who just isn't ready offensively to start for a contender. Ideally, waiters or Perkins would he involved in this trade going to Denver. It'd be basically admitting waiters was a mistake, but he only cost a draft pick and okc doesn't need another young guy anyway, they should just bite the bullet and upgrade to afflolo (assuming he can still play, haven't seen him much this year). Also, hate to say it, but it might be time to trade reggie Jackson if they are not gonna play him consistently. I don't see him re signing at this point unfortunately, if they could get Lawson or brook Lopez for a deal involving reggie they might as well pull the trigger with how they are using him.

Lawson is interesting he has $25 million over the next two years. If Reggie is asking for 10m-12m why not take on Lawson at a contract you know what you are getting rather then letting Reggie hit the market and leave the possibilities a poison pill contract.

Pillendreher · Post #13 » by **Pillendreher** » Wed Feb 18, 2015 9:05 am

I would love to see Lawson in OKC. I even think Denver might do it for Reggie, Perk's expiring contract and maybe Lamb. They'd get enough money off of their payroll to pay Reggie and go after FAs.

spearsy23 · Post #14 » by **spearsy23** » Wed Feb 18, 2015 9:31 am

Pillendreher wrote:I would love to see Lawson in OKC. I even think Denver might do it for Reggie, Perk's expiring contract and maybe Lamb. They'd get enough money off of their payroll to pay Reggie and go after FAs.

I have a feelings they'd prefer to just get a couple of picks from Boston.

Pillendreher · Post #15 » by **Pillendreher** » Wed Feb 18, 2015 9:52 am

Do you think Boston's willing to give up lottery picks? Them getting Lawson would hurt their lottery-chances as well.

Kizz Fastfists · Post #16 » by **Kizz Fastfists** » Wed Feb 18, 2015 10:21 am

I don't see Boston giving up multiple first round picks for Lawson. Especially after just drafting Marcus Smart. Denver is asking for more than they should get for most of the players they are willing to move. I'm not sure Reggie, Perkins, Lamb and a future first would be enough for Lawson, but it depends on how much they feel they need to blow up the roster and what else they can get done. If I were Denver I'd be trying to rebuild around Lawson, Faried and Nurkic.

Even if Denver moves Lawson they won't be able to do much in the off-season unless they move Gallinari and/or McGee also. Reggie over Lawson could save them $4-5M, but that isn't going to matter much. The cap hold on Reggie being so low might let them sign a $10M player before they re-signed Reggie, but again that's not going to be significant for them next year given how much they need to improve. Right now they would probably give away Gallinari or McGee to anyone willing to take their salaries, but I don't think anyone wants to pay them $12M next year.

KD35Brah · Post #17 » by **KD35Brah** » Wed Feb 18, 2015 3:14 pm

Kizz Fastfists wrote:

bondom34 wrote:

spearsy23 wrote:

Would you guys want Dragic with the risk of him leaving in the Summer?

Kevin Martin could pursue a buyout with the Wolves, would we want him back?

Post #18 » by **bondom34** » Wed Feb 18, 2015 3:39 pm

KD35Brah wrote:
Kizz Fastfists wrote:

bondom34 wrote:

spearsy23 wrote:

Would you guys want Dragic with the risk of him leaving in the Summer?

Kevin Martin could pursue a buyout with the Wolves, would we want him back?

Personally I pass on both. I just don't see the need for Dragic, especially given the cost. As for Martin, been there, and I'd rather Morrow. Better defender, better contract, younger player.

Balkman32 · Post #19 » by **Balkman32** » Wed Feb 18, 2015 3:57 pm

KD35Brah wrote:
Kizz Fastfists wrote:

bondom34 wrote:

spearsy23 wrote:

Would you guys want Dragic with the risk of him leaving in the Summer?

Kevin Martin could pursue a buyout with the Wolves, would we want him back?

Martin would be a nice add but, he plays the same spot as Waiters. I see no reason as to why Minny would buy out Martin. His contract is not as bad as we all first thought.

KD35Brah · Post #20 » by **KD35Brah** » Wed Feb 18, 2015 4:00 pm

bondom34 wrote:
KD35Brah wrote:
Kizz Fastfists wrote:

bondom34 wrote:

spearsy23 wrote:

Would you guys want Dragic with the risk of him leaving in the Summer?

Kevin Martin could pursue a buyout with the Wolves, would we want him back?

Personally I pass on both. I just don't see the need for Dragic, especially given the cost. As for Martin, been there, and I'd rather Morrow. Better defender, better contract, younger player.

I agree on Dragic, i was just hoping for the best case scenario where he decides to stay.

Martin is definitely a better player than Morrow, scoring 20ppg on 58% TS right now(only 18 games). Morrow's a better defender but it isn't by much. There is only a 2 year difference between the two and Martin is definitely the one i would choose.

Is 7 million really that much to have Martin come off the bench like he did in the peak season of the Thunder? Martin can carry the bench unit better than Morrow, Reggie, or Waiters....