What do we need realistically from Rose to be contenders? Besides him coming back and staying healthy?

ralphisBullsFan · Post #1 » by **ralphisBullsFan** » Sat Feb 28, 2015 5:12 am

IMO I feel if rose can give us an AVERAGE of 18 and 7 with less than 4 TO's a game and can be 45% from the field and be close to 40% from 3 and only shoot them in the rhythm of the offense..... we can take the east if the rest of our core can stay healthy....we don't need D rose from 2011 we just need him to play like jeff teague....i really wish rose would go back to that mid range jump shot he has no idea how much that helps his game and the bulls when he's shooting those well..

do you think that's enough???? or does he need to score 25ppg in the post season...

errisal · Post #2 » by **errisal** » Sat Feb 28, 2015 5:19 am

ralphisBullsFan wrote:IMO I feel if rose can give us an AVERAGE of 18 and 7 with less than 4 TO's a game and can be 45% from the field and be close to 40% from 3 and only shoot them in the rhythm of the offense..... we can take the east if the rest of our core can stay healthy....we don't need D rose from 2011 we just need him to play like jeff teague....i really wish rose would go back to that mid range jump shot he has no idea how much that helps his game and the bulls when he's shooting those well..

do you think that's enough???? or does he need to score 25ppg in the post season...

You got a response for this post in the other thread and you didn't like it so you create another thread all to itself. Cut and paste the answer from the other thread and there's your answer.

ralphisBullsFan · Post #3 » by **ralphisBullsFan** » Sat Feb 28, 2015 5:50 am

errisal wrote:
ralphisBullsFan wrote:IMO I feel if rose can give us an AVERAGE of 18 and 7 with less than 4 TO's a game and can be 45% from the field and be close to 40% from 3 and only shoot them in the rhythm of the offense..... we can take the east if the rest of our core can stay healthy....we don't need D rose from 2011 we just need him to play like jeff teague....i really wish rose would go back to that mid range jump shot he has no idea how much that helps his game and the bulls when he's shooting those well..

do you think that's enough???? or does he need to score 25ppg in the post season...

You got a response for this post in the other thread and you didn't like it so you create another thread all to itself. Cut and paste the answer from the other thread and there's your answer.

i made it a thread because it really wasn't on topic in the other thread and because i feel like it was a big enough question to require its own thread... instead of another thread about which guys we should have traded for before the all star break....an opinion is an opinion i don't like or unlike an opinion whether it's yours or mine...

also i made this thread right after i replied in the other i didn't even read the reply until after im guessing it was yours tho good job....

Keller61 · Post #4 » by **Keller61** » Sat Feb 28, 2015 6:27 am

I think we need him to be capable of volume scoring when the team really needs it. There will be games when the offense is flowing well, Butler and Gasol are in a good rhythm, guys like Dunleavy and Snell are making shots, etc., and in games like that you'd be happy with Rose facilitating and not shooting a lot. But often in the playoffs, teams make adjustments, defense tightens up, the game slows down, and you need your star to get some tough baskets.

High level · Post #5 » by **High level** » Sat Feb 28, 2015 7:56 am

I honestly think we can just use Rose for 4th quarters. That's when he plays his best basketball

TimRobbins · Post #6 » by **TimRobbins** » Sat Feb 28, 2015 8:13 am

To contend, we're going to need an allstar level Rose. That's a minimum of 18/8 with TS% of at least .540.

Shill · Post #7 » by **Shill** » Sat Feb 28, 2015 8:19 am

We need him to be a superstar in critical moments, not necessarily all game, every game like in the past. If he scores 35, but goes 0-6 down the stretch, that may not be as impactful as 16 points with half of those coming in the last 2 minutes.

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pwrshft99 · Post #8 » by **pwrshft99** » Sat Feb 28, 2015 8:21 am

DRose needs to be studying the next 4-6 weeks.

As important as rehab is, he should spend equal time going over game film. We need a smarter Derrick Rose, not the athletic freak from 2011. Fewer turnovers, better shot selection, setting up teammates to succeed... improvement here is must.

IMO, DRose would benefit greatly from studying guys like Nash, Kidd, Stockton, Payton etc. Guys that can win in other ways besides scoring at the rim.

WindyCityBorn · Post #9 » by **WindyCityBorn** » Sat Feb 28, 2015 10:08 am

pwrshft99 wrote:DRose needs to be studying the next 4-6 weeks.

As important as rehab is, he should spend equal time going over game film. We need a smarter Derrick Rose, not the athletic freak from 2011. Fewer turnovers, better shot selection, setting up teammates to succeed... improvement here is must.

IMO, DRose would benefit greatly from studying guys like Nash, Kidd, Stockton, Payton etc. Guys that can win in other ways besides scoring at the rim.

We need him to score at the rim. Being a floor general isn't enough with this roster. Payton is closer to Rose than the first 3 btw even though he got lots of assists too.

Also none of them won any championships as key players in their prime. If Derrick had a prime Dirk, Shaq, Malone or Stat to pass to maybe that would work.

ADDinChicago · Post #10 » by **ADDinChicago** » Sat Feb 28, 2015 10:20 am

We need what we were starting to see from him the last few weeks before he got hurt again. Like the Cleveland game right before the ASB (yes, I know Love didn't play nor did the Cavs really seem to care that night). Someone who drives to the basket, still commands a presence from the opposing team & someone who isn't taking many shots a game from long distance.

The Bulls will continue to have to be a roster and team that wins, not just relying on 1 player. As good as Rose, Gasol, Butler etc. can be on a given night, we still lack that "elite" player that you can almost count on every game (and hopefully in time Rose can be that guy or close to it again). For them to do any damage, it's going to take everyone doing their part. But without Rose out there, the chances diminish even more.

ralphisBullsFan · Post #11 » by **ralphisBullsFan** » Sat Feb 28, 2015 10:51 am

pwrshft99 wrote:DRose needs to be studying the next 4-6 weeks.

As important as rehab is, he should spend equal time going over game film. We need a smarter Derrick Rose, not the athletic freak from 2011. Fewer turnovers, better shot selection, setting up teammates to succeed... improvement here is must.

IMO, DRose would benefit greatly from studying guys like Nash, Kidd, Stockton, Payton etc. Guys that can win in other ways besides scoring at the rim.

agree 100% on studying and changing his game a bit....even study his early years like in the infamous boston series where he was killing them with his mid range game...i am truly puzzled why he doesn't take those mid range jumpers anymore...it seems this season he has been taking 3's and worse of all taking long step back 2's.. ..but still time to time goes all the way to the rim for a foul or finish which is fine...even the floaters i can live with even when they aren't falling...

DRoseCantStop · Post #12 » by **DRoseCantStop** » Sat Feb 28, 2015 11:53 am

We need 2012 Derrick Rose:

[youtube]http://youtu.be/S0u1soFuSaA[/youtube]

MC3 · Post #13 » by **MC3** » Sat Feb 28, 2015 1:44 pm

pwrshft99 wrote:DRose needs to be studying the next 4-6 weeks.

As important as rehab is, he should spend equal time going over game film. We need a smarter Derrick Rose, not the athletic freak from 2011. Fewer turnovers, better shot selection, setting up teammates to succeed... improvement here is must.

IMO, DRose would benefit greatly from studying guys like Nash, Kidd, Stockton, Payton etc. Guys that can win in other ways besides scoring at the rim.

NO! NO! NO!
I dont want him to change a game. I already wrote it yesterday. He ALREADY changed his game. ANd on the WORSE . He isnt same player, he dosent play same like he was. He is hurting his team, jacking 3's, watching always 3pt line, doesnt drive, doesnt destroy, isnt agressive, doesnt operate in mid-range. MVP even post ACL Rose are completly different players from mannerism to everything else. They dont have anything in common expect their name and number they wear. I dont know why would you want him to change game AGAIN and become some Nash, Kidd, Stockton guy. When he was never that player, and he was never won MVP with that game.
He need to get back to his old game. END. PERIOD.

whodey · Post #14 » by **whodey** » Sat Feb 28, 2015 1:48 pm

We need the Rose that played against Sacramento and Cleveland right before the break.

My hopeful timeline.

April 3 return against Detroit - Exactly 5 weeks off since surgery.
Sits out either April 8 or 9. It's the only back to back after the Detroit game. No reason to play a back to back this year, he won't need to in the playoffs, why risk it?

I would hope he plays about 25 minutes per game for the first 3 games. Then goes to 30-32 for the next 3. Depending on seeding importance, play or rest him against Atlanta for the finale. But we all know Atlanta will probably have the East locked up by then. But they may have home court for the Finals on the line.

I don't know knee injuries and how it feels. But if he has been feeling any odd discomfort on the right knee, that's could be a big reason for a lot of the misses at the rim and why he's been so off on his shooting. For Rose, his bend and lift off his knees is so important when he shoots.

Cheer 4 Kirk · Post #15 » by **Cheer 4 Kirk** » Sat Feb 28, 2015 1:55 pm

Consistent 45% shooting. The low FG% shot jacking has got to stop.

Beyond that it depends on what Butler and Noah are doing. If those two are playing really well, Rose needs to score perhaps only 12-15ppg. If they aren't what they should be, we need around 25ppg from Rose.

Drellberg · Post #16 » by **Drellberg** » Sat Feb 28, 2015 1:55 pm

There are all sorts of mitigating factors here. Just for example, Rose's injury almost certainly makes the bulls a #4 seed, with Atlanta even more surely the #1 seed. Meanwhile, we know that if the Bulls make it to the ECF, it would be against either Toronto or Cleveland, and > 80% chance Cleveland. That level of certainty this early for a seed that high is both totally weird and at the same time hugely helpful. The Bulls as a team can essentially plan for this. Rose, during his rehab, can also take full advantage of this, including watching films etc.

ralphisBullsFan · Post #17 » by **ralphisBullsFan** » Sat Feb 28, 2015 1:59 pm

all i suggested was that he could improve his basketball IQ and return to doing the things he has done well now and in the past mainly his mid range jumpers....almost as to say to change back to before his got obsessed with shooting 3's...there are even times where he can pump fake a 3 and get that 15 footer off the dribble it seems...no one expects him to turn into stockton but its not out of the realm of possibilities that he becomes a smarter basketball player...and learns stuff like how noah has trouble handling his bounce passes as he dives to the basket...how many times have we seen that TO this year?

cowch · Post #18 » by **cowch** » Sat Feb 28, 2015 2:04 pm

Ever since the season started, I've only asked for a Tony Parker like performance from him. THAT is who's game he should study.

RebuildaBulls · Post #19 » by **RebuildaBulls** » Sat Feb 28, 2015 2:12 pm

More than Rose's stats we just need him to grab the attention of the defenses. He can go 1-13 every night as long as he drags defenders towards him and he makes the play. Thats all the Bulls need from him

kdapiton · Post #20 » by **kdapiton** » Sat Feb 28, 2015 3:33 pm

At least All-Star caliber. No need to be MVP really.