ATL Post draft edition

wichmae · Post #1 » by **wichmae** » Sat May 2, 2015 10:16 pm

Jacksonville and Cincy KILLED this draft. Not a huge fan or Seattle, Detroit, or Tennessee. That Jags team is going to be very good.

Balls2TheWalls · Post #2 » by **Balls2TheWalls** » Sat May 2, 2015 10:17 pm

I think that if you draft in the top 5 (like Jax did) that you *better* kill the draft. It's about time they did. I don't like Fowler over Williams, but I like the rest of their draft.

Balls2TheWalls · Post #3 » by **Balls2TheWalls** » Sat May 2, 2015 10:19 pm

If the Packers projected Taiwan Jones and Mike Hull to come in UDFA (or even one of them), then I like this draft much much more.

sidney moncrief · Post #4 » by **sidney moncrief** » Mon May 4, 2015 4:24 pm

James Jones released by Oakland.

SpursNBucks · Post #5 » by **SpursNBucks** » Mon May 4, 2015 5:05 pm

Balls2TheWalls wrote:If the Packers projected Taiwan Jones and Mike Hull to come in UDFA (or even one of them), then I like this draft much much more.

I was hoping they would have picked up Hull. Dolphins got a good one- I wonder if the Packers tried.

emunney · Post #6 » by **emunney** » Mon May 4, 2015 6:37 pm

sidney moncrief wrote:James Jones released by Oakland.

Odd. Guess they figured they wouldn't use him enough to justify his salary with Cooper coming in?

SpursNBucks · Post #7 » by **SpursNBucks** » Mon May 4, 2015 8:17 pm

emunney wrote:
sidney moncrief wrote:James Jones released by Oakland.

Odd. Guess they figured they wouldn't use him enough to justify his salary with Cooper coming in?

Jones and Jennings didn't last too long with their new teams. Jennings 2 years and Jones 1 year. The Packers made great decisions letting these guys go. Jordy the ole' man in the group - 29 (probably his last contract -he's be 31), Cobb 24, Adams 22, Monty 21? The Packers do a great job finding quality receivers- as good as anyone top to bottom, but they never have really had an elite guy - Calvin Johnson, Julio Jones, or Dez Bryant. They have a proven formula- high character, run after the catch, and team players - no "give me the damn ball" players. You couldn't ask to be in a better situation as a top 4 receiver on the Pack- M3's system, and an MVP throwing you the ball. Cobb did the right thing. If Montgomery has the type of talent they say, he's going to be the next star in a couple/few years.

chuckleslove · Post #8 » by **chuckleslove** » Mon May 4, 2015 8:24 pm

SpursNBucks wrote:
emunney wrote:
sidney moncrief wrote:James Jones released by Oakland.

Odd. Guess they figured they wouldn't use him enough to justify his salary with Cooper coming in?

Jones and Jennings didn't last too long with their new teams. Jennings 2 years and Jones 1 year. The Packers made great decisions letting these guys go. Jordy the ole' man in the group - 29 (probably his last contract -he's be 31), Cobb 24, Adams 22, Monty 21? The Packers do a great job finding quality receivers- as good as anyone top to bottom, but they never have really had an elite guy - Calvin Johnson, Julio Jones, or Dez Bryant. They have a proven formula- high character, run after the catch, and team players - no "give me the damn ball" players. You couldn't ask to be in a better situation as a top 4 receiver on the Pack- M3's system, and an MVP throwing you the ball. Cobb did the right thing. If Montgomery has the type of talent they say, he's going to be the next star in a couple/few years.

Other than Dez Bryant they haven't been drafting high enough to pick up any of those elite guys since they are going at the top of the first round other than when they have character issues like Dez Bryant. Considering where we draft Ted kills it with WRs.

Profound23 · Post #9 » by **Profound23** » Mon May 4, 2015 8:37 pm

Exactly Chuck. Julio Jones, Odell Beckham, Calvin, Fitz, D. Thomas, Dez.

Only one of them we had a shot at. I wanted to take him but understood the character concerns. The only top notch wide receiver we missed was Antonio Brown. I don't think he is any better than Cobb, but I am sure someone disagrees. Either way when a good wide receiver falls to us that fits our system, Ted usually gets him.

SpursNBucks · Post #10 » by **SpursNBucks** » Mon May 4, 2015 9:17 pm

chuckleslove wrote:
Other than Dez Bryant they haven't been drafting high enough to pick up any of those elite guys since they are going at the top of the first round other than when they have character issues like Dez Bryant. Considering where we draft Ted kills it with WRs.

Absolutely! Ted is a WR guru. The thing is those "elite" WRs pretty much totally dominate the football. When those teams need a big play you pretty much know where it's going. Whereas the Packers spread it around you never know where it' could go. If those teams lose a Bryant, Jones, Johnson - that cripples them, whereas the Packers lose a piece it's next man up- don't miss much of a beat.

You may be misunderstanding what I'm trying to say - I'm not criticizing the fact the Packers don't have a "elite" WR, because your right they haven't picked high enough to get one.

chuckleslove · Post #11 » by **chuckleslove** » Mon May 4, 2015 10:37 pm

SpursNBucks wrote:
chuckleslove wrote:
Other than Dez Bryant they haven't been drafting high enough to pick up any of those elite guys since they are going at the top of the first round other than when they have character issues like Dez Bryant. Considering where we draft Ted kills it with WRs.

Absolutely! Ted is a WR guru. The thing is those "elite" WRs pretty much totally dominate the football. When those teams need a big play you pretty much know where it's going. Whereas the Packers spread it around you never know where it' could go. If those teams lose a Bryant, Jones, Johnson - that cripples them, whereas the Packers lose a piece it's next man up- don't miss much of a beat.

You may be misunderstanding what I'm trying to say - I'm not criticizing the fact the Packers don't have a "elite" WR, because your right they haven't picked high enough to get one.

Nope I understood, I wasn't disagreeing with you, more adding on in addition to what you were saying.

nmeurett · Post #12 » by **nmeurett** » Mon May 4, 2015 10:55 pm

Any chance the Packers bring back colt lyerla to compete at te ?

Iheartfootball · Post #13 » by **Iheartfootball** » Tue May 5, 2015 12:11 am

Eh, tore his PCL and MCL at family night last year and also had the below happen after he was cut with an injury settlement. Not sure if he'd really be worth it at this point. Although, if he could still play he's low risk to give a try out to.

http://www.oregonlive.com/washingtoncounty/index.ssf/2014/09/colt_lyerla_arrested_in_washin.html

SpursNBucks · Post #14 » by **SpursNBucks** » Tue May 5, 2015 12:23 am

Iheartfootball wrote:Eh, tore his PCL and MCL at family night last year and also had the below happen after he was cut with an injury settlement. Not sure if he'd really be worth it at this point. Although, if he could still play he's low risk to give a try out to.

http://www.oregonlive.com/washingtoncounty/index.ssf/2014/09/colt_lyerla_arrested_in_washin.html

Your kidding right? This guy needs to be in treatment. He needs some serious help and fast. They wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole. He would probably have to join some kind of program if anyone ever gave him a shot again- which wont happen - it's a sad, and tragic case. This guy literally has thrown his life away.

HKPackFan · Post #15 » by **HKPackFan** » Tue May 5, 2015 2:05 am

SpursNBucks wrote:
Iheartfootball wrote:Eh, tore his PCL and MCL at family night last year and also had the below happen after he was cut with an injury settlement. Not sure if he'd really be worth it at this point. Although, if he could still play he's low risk to give a try out to.

http://www.oregonlive.com/washingtoncounty/index.ssf/2014/09/colt_lyerla_arrested_in_washin.html

Your kidding right? This guy needs to be in treatment. He needs some serious help and fast. They wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole. He would probably have to join some kind of program if anyone ever gave him a shot again- which wont happen - it's a sad, and tragic case. This guy literally has thrown his life away.

Ya its sad when there is so much talent there but head is just not there. Difficult to fix. Packers are all about 2nd chances but they wont babysit.

Balls2TheWalls · Post #16 » by **Balls2TheWalls** » Tue May 5, 2015 1:54 pm

Lyerla got hurt making a stupid play during a soft scrimmage. He didn't have enough of a brain to keep himself healthy during a half speed scrimmage for the fans to get himself acclimated to the play book or show enough in preseason to make the practice squad. He is dead to the Packers.

Reddeye · Post #17 » by **Reddeye** » Wed May 6, 2015 2:50 am

At least the Packers didn't draft this guy.

http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/seahawks/witnesses-describe-ugly-hotel-incident-involving-seahawks-draft-pick/

HKPackFan · Post #18 » by **HKPackFan** » Wed May 6, 2015 3:23 am

Reddeye wrote:At least the Packers didn't draft this guy.

http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/seahawks/witnesses-describe-ugly-hotel-incident-involving-seahawks-draft-pick/

I like John Schneider, he's one of our own and has a good eye for talent. Kinda surprised he put himself in this situation.

What clark did was obviously wrong if he did it but what's more strange is beating up a GF while the little brothers are in the room and the GF's mom downstairs.

Jeez talk about having all witnesses against you. Seems the most idiotic situation.

On the other hand that could be what's working against him all the family has the same story, but if he was even mildly aggressive that's still idiotic situation to put yourself in.

Still sounds pretty damning from the outside witnesses, they would not have a vandetta like the family of the GF.

Agreed I'm happy the Packers avoided this situation.

So now will Godell retroactively suspend this guy for previous punch? Or he cant because the punch was done prior to signing an NFL contract.

SpursNBucks · Post #19 » by **SpursNBucks** » Wed May 6, 2015 4:22 am

HKPackFan wrote:
Reddeye wrote:At least the Packers didn't draft this guy.

http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/seahawks/witnesses-describe-ugly-hotel-incident-involving-seahawks-draft-pick/

I like John Schneider, he's one of our own and has a good eye for talent. Kinda surprised he put himself in this situation.

What clark did was obviously wrong if he did it but what's more strange is beating up a GF while the little brothers are in the room and the GF's mom downstairs.

Jeez talk about having all witnesses against you. Seems the most idiotic situation.

On the other hand that could be what's working against him all the family has the same story, but if he was even mildly aggressive that's still idiotic situation to put yourself in.

Still sounds pretty damning from the outside witnesses, they would not have a vandetta like the family of the GF.

Agreed I'm happy the Packers avoided this situation.

So now will Godell retroactively suspend this guy for previous punch? Or he cant because the punch was done prior to signing an NFL contract.

First of all the police need to explain how they let him off with a slap on the wrist. With all that evidence against him, that's amazing- it wasn't like he was some big time star either.

The second thing is Schneider dropped the ball - the only one they interviewed was Frank Clark? I wonder what Frank's take was- how's that for some unbiased testimony. I just lost some respect for Schneider on this one. The irony is that he wasn't figured to go this early - maybe a round before where they had him pegged.

Because it happened before he was drafted and that's all he got- it's like nothing really happened as far as the NFL is concerned.

HKPackFan · Post #20 » by **HKPackFan** » Wed May 6, 2015 6:17 am

SpursNBucks wrote:
HKPackFan wrote:
Reddeye wrote:At least the Packers didn't draft this guy.

http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/seahawks/witnesses-describe-ugly-hotel-incident-involving-seahawks-draft-pick/

I like John Schneider, he's one of our own and has a good eye for talent. Kinda surprised he put himself in this situation.

What clark did was obviously wrong if he did it but what's more strange is beating up a GF while the little brothers are in the room and the GF's mom downstairs.

Jeez talk about having all witnesses against you. Seems the most idiotic situation.

On the other hand that could be what's working against him all the family has the same story, but if he was even mildly aggressive that's still idiotic situation to put yourself in.

Still sounds pretty damning from the outside witnesses, they would not have a vandetta like the family of the GF.

Agreed I'm happy the Packers avoided this situation.

So now will Godell retroactively suspend this guy for previous punch? Or he cant because the punch was done prior to signing an NFL contract.

First of all the police need to explain how they let him off with a slap on the wrist. With all that evidence against him, that's amazing- it wasn't like he was some big time star either.

The second thing is Schneider dropped the ball - the only one they interviewed was Frank Clark? I wonder what Frank's take was- how's that for some unbiased testimony. I just lost some respect for Schneider on this one. The irony is that he wasn't figured to go this early - maybe a round before where they had him pegged.

Because it happened before he was drafted and that's all he got- it's like nothing really happened as far as the NFL is concerned.

You mean this guy wasn't a first rounder who slipped to #2 because of this???

I don't follow college football close enough to know who are the top guys, I just figured this guy slipped this far because of the incident otherwise he was a top 20-30 pick.

Oh man this is not good:

http://deadspin.com/the-seahawks-didnt- ... 1702249803

The Seahawks Didn't Care Whether Frank Clark Punched A Woman

..Without even realizing it, Schneider laid bare the team’s true priorities on Clark during his ESPN radio appearance:

Like I said, talking to the other teams, and making sure that everybody’s had the same research from all the attorneys and the counselors and the D.A. and everybody involved. We knew there weren’t going to be any pass-rushers left, and we needed to grab one as soon as we could.

That second sentence is perhaps the only one Schenider’s spoken on this issue that isn’t bull....

Ouch. Damn Schneider what are you doing...I always thought if not Wolf Jr, Schneider would be a great replacement when TT retires. Oh man, but having second thoughts now. :noway: