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Actual cap space? 

Post#1 » by Canadafan » Sun May 31, 2015 3:45 pm

For some reason I have $15 million stuck in my head. And if Monroe leaves we gain his cap hold which is $25 million. Right? Wrong?

Although it would be an absolute miracle if he ever signed with us, I'm wondering about Lamarcus Aldridge. Sounds like he's opting out and sounds like Spurs or Dallas are front runners. Maybe he's best friends with Reggie and wants to play with Drummond lol. He'd be perfect fit. Same goes for Love. Pipe dreams I know

On a more realistic note, what is Millsaps status? Restricted or unrestricted? Imagine getting him and Carroll?

Odds are our draft pick is a backup to SF(Mario or Stanley) or PF(Porzingiz) so here's to hoping we can talk two unrestricted guys to sign with us. More likely we find diamond in the rough guys. SVG said last year we hit singles on free agency signings. This year, even though we want home runs, we better hope we're hitting doubles and triples. Safe to say no restricted guy will be coming here so let's hope Demarre comes(triple) and we get our draft pick to be his back up. And we use the remaining cap to sign a PF(double) and re-sign Tolliver and Anthony as the backups. Don't know who the PF would be but any suggestions would be welcome :)
Maybe we luck out and get Millsap, and sign a Danny Green or worst case Gerald Green. Or we sign both Greens and draft our Monroe replacement and use leftover money on Ed Davis or someone like that
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Post#2 » by bkseven » Mon Jun 1, 2015 12:13 am

Reggie Jackson is gonna command 12 mill PLUS probably, btw
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Post#3 » by Kilo » Mon Jun 1, 2015 12:17 am

^But if he's willing to "play ball" with Stan and Co. and doesn't sign an offer sheet elsewhere forcing the Pistons hand we could sign Reggie last after spending all our cap room save his $5M cap hold.
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Post#4 » by Pharaoh » Mon Jun 1, 2015 2:56 am

Kilo wrote:^But if he's willing to "play ball" with Stan and Co. and doesn't sign an offer sheet elsewhere forcing the Pistons hand we could sign Reggie last after spending all our cap room save his $5M cap hold.


THIS!

Which could leave us with almost $20 mil to spend on free agents.

IF by some miracle Monroe wants to play ball with Stan as well we could spend almost $10 mil on free agents then retain Monroe & RJ.

Time will tell though.
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Post#5 » by Notanoob » Mon Jun 1, 2015 3:28 am

We have $45,750,517 committed already, unless we decline Butler's team option, which would leave us with $41,250,517 committed. The cap is supposed to be $67.1 million. I not exactly sure how the cap holds work, but teams renounce free agents (who they don't plan on signing to a new deal) and the cap hold goes away, so outside of guys like Jackson or I guess Joel Anthony, we won't have many cap holds and they shouldn't be big. I believe that Jackson's cap hold will be 250% of his previous salary, so $5,510,925. Assuming we renounce all the rest of our free agents and decline Butler's option, we'd have $20,338,558 to spend.

Carroll and Millsap are both unrestricted free agents, but I'm inclined to believe that Atlanta will keep them both and hope for some growth to push them farther.
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Post#6 » by The Penguin » Mon Jun 1, 2015 12:54 pm

If Stan plans a big FA move, declining Butler's option is a no brainer.

There's been a lot of people "in the know" mentioning a potential Millsap for Monroe double S&T, the Hawks were one of the teams to show interest in Monroe last summer and his passing fits Bud's gameplan well. I don't think Atlanta views Millsap & Horford as ideal compliments given neither provides much rim protection and neither is a true post threat, at least compared to what Monroe can provide. I'm not exactly thrilled with giving Millsap a $20 mil deal, but he has made the all star game the last two years and he does provide the stretch 4 we need while being a solid rebounder. Given the dearth of talent in the SF FA market, signing Millsap as our 4 and spending the remaining cap on Aminu (I know I've busted your balls Pharaoh) to hold down our starting SF spot while we groom a guy like Johnson or Hezonja might be our best play.
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Post#7 » by Canadafan » Mon Jun 1, 2015 2:23 pm

Buttttt there's no benefit to sign and trade deals financially to the player any.ore since the new cba. Correct?
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Post#8 » by Warspite » Mon Jun 1, 2015 7:20 pm

Canadafan wrote:Buttttt there's no benefit to sign and trade deals financially to the player any.ore since the new cba. Correct?

Since both teams are way under the cap there is no reason to do any sign and trade unless both teams want to use all cap space 1st and then make the deal. Both teams have 20 mil in cap space so I don't see it happening. Nor do I want to give Milsap a max contract.
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Post#9 » by Canadafan » Tue Jun 2, 2015 2:23 pm

Warspite wrote:
Canadafan wrote:Buttttt there's no benefit to sign and trade deals financially to the player any.ore since the new cba. Correct?

Since both teams are way under the cap there is no reason to do any sign and trade unless both teams want to use all cap space 1st and then make the deal. Both teams have 20 mil in cap space so I don't see it happening. Nor do I want to give Milsap a max contract.


Hmmmm, never really thought of this before, but this could work out beautifully for us and them. We both use up our cap space on free agents. Then go over the cap doing sign and trades. We could get our wing and Milsap! Is that legal?
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Post#10 » by The Penguin » Tue Jun 2, 2015 3:06 pm

Warspite wrote:
Canadafan wrote:Buttttt there's no benefit to sign and trade deals financially to the player any.ore since the new cba. Correct?

Since both teams are way under the cap there is no reason to do any sign and trade unless both teams want to use all cap space 1st and then make the deal. Both teams have 20 mil in cap space so I don't see it happening. Nor do I want to give Milsap a max contract.



You've touched on it, but the Hawks could keep their rights to both Millsap & Carroll, S&T Millsap for Monroe, resign Carroll on his bird rights and remain over the cap to allow them the use of the full MLE.

I'm really not sure how it works with RFAs and I may be way off base on this, but I believe we can use all our cap space with Monroe on the cap hold, then S&T him for Millsap going over the cap. I'd only be interested in Millsap if it's a short term deal, we get him for the next couple of years to fill our stretch 4 hole and he gets to hit FA again after the cap explosion.

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