Is Green worth a max deal to Detroit?

Laimbeer · Post #1 » by **Laimbeer** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 5:21 pm

Putting aside tying up cap space while we wait or Golden State matching, do you think Green is worth a max contract at this point?

rmfc · Post #2 » by **rmfc** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 5:25 pm

HELL NO!

princeofpalace · Post #3 » by **princeofpalace** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 5:48 pm

He will get the max because the cap is going up but no he's not worth the max. He became one of the most overrated players in the league this season. He is a Josh Smith level shooter (which doesnt spread the floor btw), is a lousy rebounder and cant score in the post. I like his defense (although also overrated), his ability to block shots and pass but he's not a fit on this team unless he's coming off the bench.

tmorgan · Post #4 » by **tmorgan** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 6:03 pm

Don't take it too far the other way, PoP... lousy rebounder? That's just plain wrong.

princeofpalace · Post #5 » by **princeofpalace** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 6:04 pm

Green plays PF and C and has a TRB% of 14, that is lousy.

tmorgan · Post #6 » by **tmorgan** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 6:08 pm

Stats don't lie, but people do. That TRB% of 14 is from the regular season -- if you're pulling the numbers from bref, why don't you go ahead and check the minutes played by position?

OK, I'll do it for you -- 52% SF, 47% PF, and 1% C.

You're just wrong here. He's a good rebounding forward.

princeofpalace · Post #7 » by **princeofpalace** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 6:11 pm

tmorgan wrote:Stats don't lie, but people do. That TRB% of 14 is from the regular season -- if you're pulling the numbers from bref, why don't you go ahead and check the minutes played by position?

OK, I'll do it for you -- 52% SF, 47% PF, and 1% C.

You're just wrong here. He's a good rebounding forward.

HAHAHHAHA, Basketballreference only uses height to determine position. Because Green is only 6'6, when he's on the court with Barnes, BR inaccurately determines that Barnes is the PF and Green the SF. Either watch more Warrior games or go ask Warrior fans what position Green plays, but it sure isn't SF.

And ofcourse, TRB is from the 82 game season, not sure why Id choose a 7 game sample over the larger 82 game sample to discuss Green's rebounding skills. That seems like more than a stretch.

tmorgan · Post #8 » by **tmorgan** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 6:21 pm

You disappoint me, truly. That's all I'll say.

princeofpalace · Post #9 » by **princeofpalace** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 6:29 pm

tmorgan wrote:You disappoint me, truly. That's all I'll say.

Tmorgan, here are the 10 lineups that Green played in the most. In not a single one of them was he the SF but if you don't want the facts to get in the way of your beliefs then so be it. And, if you still beleive that Green was playing SF with Barnes as the PF then bless your heart.

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ImHeisenberg · Post #10 » by **ImHeisenberg** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 6:31 pm

I voted no. Because it's not worth tying up the cap space for 3 days on a player we're clearly not going to get.

With the cap shooting up, paying Green $15 million per season will be the equivalent of paying Meeks $6.5 million now. He will command the money, and would be worth that cost to the Pistons. But, he's not worth the pursuit.

tmorgan · Post #11 » by **tmorgan** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 6:38 pm

So that's a PF/C to you? A guy that almost never plays center and plays positionless forward with Harrison Barnes and Andre Iguodala? They matchup defensely based on the opposing players size, quickness, and tendencies... that's the brilliance of the W's defense plans in the regular season, as Barnes, Green, and Iggy are all so flexible defensively.

If you determine position by defense, Green is likely best called a PF, but he played plenty of smaller guys all year. He certainly shouldn't be called a PF/C by any stretch.

If you determine position by offense, Green is likely best called a point forward, because he's distributor for a big. He certainly doesn't have a PF/C offensive game, although you could argue he doesn't have much offensive game at all at times.

In any case, your characterization of Green as a "lousy rebounder" is definitely wrong. Over 8 boards in under 32 minutes, for a forward, is a perfectly solid number. He doesn't play center for more than sparse minutes a game, and he's out on the perimeter on defense as often as not. You have no facts here.

Billl · Post #12 » by **Billl** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 6:46 pm

Yes, but it doesn't matter. The warriors would match.

Note : "yes" is for the duration of the contract. In year 1, he would be overpaid but that cap is going to explode.

Post #13 » by **dVs33** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 6:50 pm

I liked the idea of getting him earlier in the season, but I've definitely changed my mind of late.
i don't think he'd replicate his GSW production with the Detroit roster.

princeofpalace · Post #14 » by **princeofpalace** » Fri Jun 12, 2015 12:56 am

Green is starting at C tonight, Cavs should destroy GSW tonight

Natopher · Post #15 » by **Natopher** » Fri Jun 12, 2015 1:09 am

The playoffs (with the exception of the first round) have made Green look extremely human. I'm not sure how much of that has to do with his back spasms, or other possible injuries, but he doesn't look anywhere near a max player right now. I love Draymond, and if we had him on our team I would be really happy, but he's not a max player. He's an extremely versatile defender, and offensive player, but he's a 4th option on a finals contending team (as we can see). Those players aren't max players. As other people have said, he is to Golden State what Tayshaun Prince was to the 2003-2008 Pistons.

Han Solo · Post #16 » by **Han Solo** » Fri Jun 12, 2015 1:24 am

Not after today's trade

Post #17 » by **Snakebites** » Fri Jun 12, 2015 1:31 am

Yes. A max contract under this cap won't be anywhere near a max contract under salary cap conditions a couple years from now.

He's worth the max for Golden State too, so it doesn't really matter.

Blkbrd671 · Post #18 » by **Blkbrd671** » Fri Jun 12, 2015 1:40 am

Doesn't matter, i think the Illy trade takes Green out of play

Post #19 » by **Snakebites** » Fri Jun 12, 2015 1:45 am

Blkbrd671 wrote:Doesn't matter, i think the Illy trade takes Green out of play

He's not an option for us anyway, but I see absolutely no reason why those 2 guys can't be part of the same rotation.

Blkbrd671 · Post #20 » by **Blkbrd671** » Fri Jun 12, 2015 1:49 am

Snakebites wrote:
Blkbrd671 wrote:Doesn't matter, i think the Illy trade takes Green out of play

He's not an option for us anyway, but I see absolutely no reason why those 2 guys can't be part of the same rotation.

because of the cost and lack of need. SVG "coveted" illy, i don't think it was because he wanted a backup so hard. Green's a PF that can play mulitiple positions, but he's still a PF.