Trade Deadline Review

[Hawk Eye]

So...

I told myself I was going to come back to this post I made in the "Budenholzer pulling double duty" thread after the trade deadline passed.

I love Bud as much as anyone else on this forum but I don't think keeping him in that GM/HC role is the smartest decision going forward. Bud isn't stupid he knows that there are obvious flaws in this team that could be fixed via trade. However, i don't see him having the guts to trade any of Millsap, Horford, Teague, Korver, etc. He has built a relationship with these guys. Despite all the Teague/Dennis trade drama lately, I still don't think Bud trades either one of them.

Plus it's not like Bud has the best track record to support keeping him in that GM role.

His best case to make is the acquisition of Tiago Splitter for basically free but how well has Splitter been for us this season? And that trade sort of fell into his lap anyways thanks to old man Pop.

To sum up..we need a real GM and preferably someone who can actually nail a draft pick.

I was either going to have to eat crowe for this or I was going to be able to do a little chest thumping. Unfortunately, it's the latter. I hate to say I saw this coming...but I called it.

We could have easily put together a package that included that MIN 1st we have for a player to come into our rotation right now and help us get back to the ECF. It's obvious we needed a positive shakeup and it's even more obvious that Hinrich isn't that.

Where do you all stand on Bud as GM now? How would you grade our performance at the trade deadline?

[PandaKidd]

C-, which is exactly where the hawks have been franchise wise for the last 5 years or so. Average, enough to get by.

I dont understand the moves , frankly. Why trade away Holiday? I mean i get it hes not really playing at all, but , why sign him this past offseason?

I think they just will see it through, and if they want to blow it up, itll be this offseason. To be on the optimistic side, this team still is the same bunch that made a run last year (under much difference circumstances). So , maybe if Korver regains form and Thabo progresses, who knows.

I dont personally see it. But who knows.

Im going to not hammer them over it, Im just going to say, im not surprised. This is what the Hawks have done , they take the safe route.

[Jamaaliver]

From a tangible trade standpoint: B-

We didn't do anything great, but we didn't do anything stupid. After seeing us give up #15 pick last summer to end up with THJ, and trading away Bebe and Lou in 2014 for capspace, there was a part of me fearful we'd get hustled and trade Horford away for pennies on the dollar. (Kelly Olynyk, a future 2nd rounder and some magic beans).


From a strategic Standpoint: C-

I'm from the camp of making a decision and acting on it. No wishy-washy, half measures. We didn't embrace a full on rebuild, we didn't embrace moving guys for value, we didn't really even tweak the roster.

There were guys being dangled about that could be valuable moving forward for our franchise, but this team....replaced the 3rd string PG?

Our Center depth is diminished. Our farm system is bereft. Our wing talent is underwhelming. And the direction of this team is still up in the air.

That's poor vision and bad asset management.

[Jamaaliver]

Also, we let our guys get tied up in the drama of publicly being mentioned in trade talk.

That's unnecessary drama we've managed to avoid in recent years.

Do it or don't But spending weeks in trade rumors can't be good for morale.

[HMFFL]

Also, we let our guys get tied up in the drama of publicly being mentioned in trade talk.

That's unnecessary drama we've managed to avoid in recent years.

Do it or don't But spending weeks in trade rumors can't be good for morale.

Very good points.
I expect the drama to continue during the off-season but it was too much during the regular season and was nothing but negative.

[HMFFL]

Outside of our moves, the ones that Washington made concern me, because they've become a much stronger team.
As the season progresses from now until the postseason I intend on paying close attention to the Wizards.

[Hawk Eye]

Basically, I see it as we had two options at the deadline.

1. Better ourselves for the long term

2. Better ourselves for the short term

Instead...

We decided to go with secret option number 3

3. Stand pat (yes I consider moving Mack and Holiday for Hinrich standing pat) and do nothing while we watch the trade value of Teague in particular continue to drop.

I'd give us a C- and I hope to God our new management brings in an actual GM soon.

[ATL Boy]

I hope we bring in an actual GM as well, but one thing to look at that's low key right now is the fact that coach Bud's contract expires this year. Getting a demotion might hurt him, but could it hurt him to the point where he doesn't want to re-sign as our coach?

I have my reservations about Mike Budenholzer the GM, but he's still the best coach in the East, there's no way I want him gone from our bench. It's just something to think about.

[Hawk Eye]

I hope we bring in an actual GM as well, but one thing to look at that's low key right now is the fact that coach Bud's contract expires this year. Getting a demotion might hurt him, but could it hurt him to the point where he doesn't want to re-sign as our coach?

I have my reservations about Mike Budenholzer the GM, but he's still the best coach in the East, there's no way I want him gone from our bench. It's just something to think about.

Some very good points, points that I have actually failed to take into consideration until now. Nobody likes to have power taken away from them. If management decides to tell Bud that he's striclty limited to coaching then it might impact his decision to re-sign with us. Especially if another team offers him the same HC/GM role. Risky business for sure.

[FreakMaster]

I'm a big fan of Jeff Teague's. Is wondering...What was Atl asking for him in a trade?

[Jamaaliver]

I'm a big fan of Jeff Teague's. Is wondering...What was Atl asking for him in a trade?

Word is, young starting wings:

Oladipo, Khris Middleton, Justise Winslow were names mentioned in rumors. With Teague's diminished value, none of these players were offered straight up for Jeff Teague. Each team wanted greater value.

And, so we declined.


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[jayu70]

I'm a big fan of Jeff Teague's. Is wondering...What was Atl asking for him in a trade?

A starting wing and a 1st round pick was what I read.

[PandaKidd]

Watching the Bulls last night, im even more pissed we didnt take Portis.......

[Jamaaliver]

Watching the Bulls last night, im even more pissed we didnt take Portis.......

YES!!!

If this team has young, cheap talents like Rodney Hood, R Gobert and Bobby Portis to grow beside D Schroder...we're in a completely different situation. With a direction and clear options moving forward.

Even lesser guys Gorgui Dieng, Gary Harris and Kelly Oubre give us plenty of trade bait and cheap depth.

(And that doesn't even include passing on Festus Ezeli, Khris Middleton, Tobias Harris and Draymond Green in the first Ferry draft.)

Solid drafting, alone, would have us in a much better situation than the one we have now.

[Jamaaliver]

Comments from Budenholzer after the trade deadline:

We are very excited about adding Kirk Hinrich to our group. A veteran point guard who can really play both positions in the backcourt, the 1 and the 2. He’s a very competitive guy. I think he’s a very smart player. He is going to fit in. He is one of those players who has a lot of the qualities that we value and we look for. When I spoke to him, I said he’s going to help us somehow, some way, in a regular-season game, in a playoff game. He’s just one of those guys who finds a way to help teams win.

...In addition to that we’ve created a roster spot that is really valuable to us...with Tiago (Splitter) being out for the season, having an extra roster spot is invaluable to us. We’ll look at the international market, the buyout market, the D-League market. We’ll look at everything.

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[Jamaaliver]

A rumored trade from last week's deadline:

The 76ers were prepared to make major changes to their roster to get a coveted point guard at Thursday's NBA trade deadline.

The team offered packages that included shooting guard Nik Stauskas, point guard Ish Smith, a player with an expiring guaranteed contract and a 2016 first-round pick to the Atlanta Hawks for point guard Dennis Schroder, according to multiple league sources.

(Former Sixer JaKarr Sampson was said to be player with the expiring contract in the deal.)

The uncertainty surrounding the re-signing of Smith this summer was a holdup for the Hawks, according to one of the sources. Atlanta ultimately decided to keep Schroder, their standout backup. However, a source expects the Sixers and Hawks to revisit trade talks for him during the NBA draft on June 23.

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Trading Dennis for a top 10 pick would have been a bold move. But I hear this is a weak draft. Our insistence on acquiring and keeping Ish Smith might indicate Teague still would have been dealt.

Teague for Oladipo and Dennis for Dario would have been a pair of fantastic moves for this franchise moving forward.

The above trade, however, would have been a risk, especially with the way Dennis's stock seems to be rising in only year three.

[PandaKidd]

Would not have done it. WEAKEST draft in years, we actually seem to have hit on DS, so getting rid of him while hes under control is no ideal.

IMO.

[Jamaaliver]

Would not have done it. WEAKEST draft in years, we actually seem to have hit on DS, so getting rid of him while hes under control is no ideal.

IMO.

I'm with you. Trading a cheap, young prospect like DS for less proven youth doesn't seem to make much sense.

If I'm moving DS...I want a specific player, preferably a young player who's already proven his mettle in the league. or Dario Saric.

I like Dario.

[babyjax13]

I think you guys should be able to balance out your roster nicely in the offseason. FWIW, we are extremely happy with Mack, he is head and shoulders over any point guard we had. Small sample size (2 games), but he is averaging 17p and 5a. Don't know if our rotation is that bad, or if Mack is that good?

[atlantabbq99]

I think you guys should be able to balance out your roster nicely in the offseason. FWIW, we are extremely happy with Mack, he is head and shoulders over any point guard we had. Small sample size (2 games), but he is averaging 17p and 5a. Don't know if our rotation is that bad, or if Mack is that good?

Mack is very good. He is not super quick, but he has good handles and is big and strong with a decent IQ. But the biggest problem with Mack is that he is a poor 3pt shooter, which is the biggest reason why he can get minutes ahead of Teague and Dennis.