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Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#161 » by DeanTheDream » Sun Mar 13, 2016 11:46 pm

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SARGO127 wrote:All this Hispanic talk is a joke. Trump is throwing out ILLEGALS. They came to this country ILLEGALLY. What is so hard to understand?

These people will be forced out and can re-enter the country LEGALLY.


The reason it's not a joke is because he singled out Mexicans. There are many illegals here from other countries, but he singled out Mexicans, and if we're going to live in a country where we stereotype all Hispanics as being Mexicans, then it's gonna come back to bite him in the ass. I truly think that no matter how far he goes into this race, he lost the race when he dissed Mexicans because there's no way he can win without the Hispanic vote.


I think he is singling out the country more than the people - the country because of trade and losing companies to mexico, the country because it is the Mexican border, the country because of the press of the drugs coming from the Mexican cartels and the corrupt govt. The people are good hard working people.
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Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#162 » by IllmaticHandler » Sun Mar 13, 2016 11:52 pm

Bill Pidto wrote:
IllmaticHandler wrote:Hail Trump!

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oe8aLgbO98[/youtube]


Dude... that guy is a disgrace. Clearly a racist. But how does this prove that Trump is a racist? Many people that support Bernie advocate killing police, and in some cases, advocate hating all white people. Should I assume you share those same beliefs because you support the same candidate? Do you want to kill me?




There is always an assumption that if I am not for trump, I must be for the other party :lol: . I stated already **** All these candidates. None of them will keep their word or anything to make this country "better". Its no different that any of the ones from Obama on Back. All of them always have this grand vision for America, that very rarely ever manifests itself. I have the most Issue with Trump,because he is flaming the fires on American biggest weakness. Racism.

Trump would love to take America Back into the Dark Ages, with his "vision". The Others are more covert, and have a limit. Trump's Language can start race wars. He wants to incite something. There is a reason why there is so much tension at his rallies.
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Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#163 » by thebuzzardman » Sun Mar 13, 2016 11:56 pm

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"As first lady, Hillary Clinton advocated for the bill, and critics say she bears responsibility for the way it has resulted in a disproportionate number of African Americans and Hispanics being ensnared in the criminal justice system. Mandatory minimum sentences, particularly for nonviolent drug crimes, were disproportionately meted out to black and Hispanic offenders. African Americans and Hispanics also are more likely than white people to be stopped by police"



Sanders voted for it too. Playing on peoples fears of minority crime is always good for cheap votes.


Um, not so fast. Hate to be the one to tell you this, but you're sorely mistaken about Bernie. You should get your facts straight first before attributing racist intent to someone, like Bernie, who has been fighting the good fight for so long.

That bill also included the assault weapons ban act and the in violence against women act which Bernie supported. He did not support the part of the bill which resulted in mass incarceration. Here's what Bernie said regarding this aspect of it:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTn3jUoMdVI[/youtube]


That was a copy and paste; I don't agree with it
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Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#164 » by Capn'O » Sun Mar 13, 2016 11:59 pm

E-Balla wrote:538 has Hillary's chances at at least 98% in all of these states.


Which was the same for Michigan. Florida, I don't know how to read but is probably more similar to the southern states. Illinois and Ohio are more like Michigan with a lot of independents where something in the polls obviously missed a beat. It will come out in the wash soon enough.
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Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#165 » by Floozenheimen » Mon Mar 14, 2016 12:00 am

Bill Pidto wrote:
IllmaticHandler wrote:Hail Trump!

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oe8aLgbO98[/youtube]


Dude... that guy is a disgrace. Clearly a racist. But how does this prove that Trump is a racist? Many people that support Bernie advocate killing police, and in some cases, advocate hating all white people. Should I assume you share those same beliefs because you support the same candidate? Do you want to kill me?


How would someone who supports Bernie Sanders hate all white people? Bernie would be on their hate list, therefore create a contradiction.
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Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#166 » by nykballa2k4 » Mon Mar 14, 2016 12:29 am

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What I am saying is that here are biggest Mass shooting (terrorism) in Americas History. Majority of them are white, American and christian. But the Theme of America is Islam is the enemy. Its why I laugh at this ****. The media has Americans believing all kinds of dumb ****. Isis is so much a threat, but actually have zero acts of terrorism in the U.S.



Why can't all of these areas: mass murderers, gangs, terrorism, etc all be viewed as credible threats. We cannot focus on ONE area, we have to keep projects going to resolve each of these sorts of incidents.

To say ISIS is a threat is not to say that the individuals you quoted from CNN are not.

Us labeling Muslims as terrorists is the same as Muslim nations (nations wherein Islam is predominant religion) calling Republican's terrorists since they are over here talking about carpet bombing and such.



It really should not matter what Muslim nations call Americans. ALL Nations of the world talk bad about other countries. The Problem is that America feels they are the only ones justified to speak ill of other countries. America plays the victim role to much. America sticks its nose in every bodies business. America is the country that feels its supposed to control everything. It dont work that way.


You are not hearing me. If another country is saying things like "America is talking about Muslims as evil, as your leader, I will make our nation safe by increasing our presence in America, and if they do not allow it, carpet bombing them, going after not only their leaders, but the friends and family of their leaders" then WE as America would have a problem, so the rhetoric from Cruz/Trump needs to stop.

ISIS poses a threat to us and the rest of the world, that is a simple fact. The other fact, that America has problems here on the mainland as well (gangs, murderers etc) also has to be addressed. Safety does not need to have tunnel vision. It sounds like you want to evaporate our presence abroad. Unfortunately, that cannot happen as long as their are viable threats to our country in the form of "radial islam" or whatever you choose to label the group of violent zealots whose mission is to kill all who oppose their beliefs.
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Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#167 » by IllmaticHandler » Mon Mar 14, 2016 12:33 am

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IllmaticHandler wrote:
nykballa2k4 wrote:
Why can't all of these areas: mass murderers, gangs, terrorism, etc all be viewed as credible threats. We cannot focus on ONE area, we have to keep projects going to resolve each of these sorts of incidents.

To say ISIS is a threat is not to say that the individuals you quoted from CNN are not.

Us labeling Muslims as terrorists is the same as Muslim nations (nations wherein Islam is predominant religion) calling Republican's terrorists since they are over here talking about carpet bombing and such.



It really should not matter what Muslim nations call Americans. ALL Nations of the world talk bad about other countries. The Problem is that America feels they are the only ones justified to speak ill of other countries. America plays the victim role to much. America sticks its nose in every bodies business. America is the country that feels its supposed to control everything. It dont work that way.


You are not hearing me. If another country is saying things like "America is talking about Muslims as evil, as your leader, I will make our nation safe by increasing our presence in America, and if they do not allow it, carpet bombing them, going after not only their leaders, but the friends and family of their leaders" then WE as America would have a problem, so the rhetoric from Cruz/Trump needs to stop.

ISIS poses a threat to us and the rest of the world, that is a simple fact. The other fact, that America has problems here on the mainland as well (gangs, murderers etc) also has to be addressed. Safety does not need to have tunnel vision. It sounds like you want to evaporate our presence abroad. Unfortunately, that cannot happen as long as their are viable threats to our country in the form of "radial islam" or whatever you choose to label the group of violent zealots whose mission is to kill all who oppose their beliefs.



Thats not what I was saying either. A country always have to defend itself, it just does not have to be the aggressor the majority of the time, and then cry foul is what I am saying.

Also I understand what your saying now. We on the same page.
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Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#168 » by nykballa2k4 » Mon Mar 14, 2016 12:37 am

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IllmaticHandler wrote:Hail Trump!

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oe8aLgbO98[/youtube]


Dude... that guy is a disgrace. Clearly a racist. But how does this prove that Trump is a racist? Many people that support Bernie advocate killing police, and in some cases, advocate hating all white people. Should I assume you share those same beliefs because you support the same candidate? Do you want to kill me?


How would someone who supports Bernie Sanders hate all white people? Bernie would be on their hate list, therefore create a contradiction.


The point of trump being a racist is really quite moot. The point that he is xenophobic is more damning.
On the census "hispanic" is on the race/ethnic portion. I would say that Trumps generalizations of "Mexicans" and "Chinese" point to racism.
Though to be fair, my belief is that everyone is racist, the degree is what varies. The problem is when racism (belief) translates to discrimination (behavior).
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Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#169 » by ITGM » Mon Mar 14, 2016 12:39 am

IllmaticHandler wrote:Hail Trump!

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oe8aLgbO98[/youtube]


It's clear that THUG was antagonizing that law abiding good Christian man. Can you and your people please stop using the Race Card?



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Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#170 » by LJ4pointplay » Mon Mar 14, 2016 12:52 am

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While we could discuss economics dating back to the Ancient Roman empire, I found it most constructive to stick to America in the 20th century. Sure, we could argue economics dating back to the Roman Empire, but for the sake of keeping the discussion light and avoiding it drag on for months I arbitrarily chose the early 1900s as a starting point. I think we can learn a lot from our own recent history if we do such a simply analysis.

The statement that we are more socialist that say 1845 when we had slaves and the wild west is kinda pointless all the same. Humans as a whole have a more socialistic way of life than the Dark Ages during feudal times. The point is moot, and really I'm kinda glad we aren't pissing and pooping in the street, drinking dirty water, living in filth, taking care of our fellow man, etc. Simply because we are more socialist that cavemen isn't an argument to become less socialist. It's a logical fallacy.


LJ4pointplay wrote:Specifically, you should consider:
-the top rate you mention for individuals is not the "real rate" (a somewhat ambiguous term) that you apply to current corporations
-our corporate tax rate is the top in the world


I'm combining these two points, as they contradict one another. You reference the effective tax rate in point 1, but refuse to acknowledge it in point 2. While the tax rate was 94% in 1945, with deductions it was reduced substantially.

The same notion can be applied to the corporate tax rate. While our statutory rate ranks #1, numerous studies on the matter of effective corporate tax rate have us ranked lower. While they all vary to some degree, they all point to the fact that the US is certainly not the highest in the world. Some studies have us ranked around 27-28% and depending on the study that ranks us, we fall somewhere near the average rate for OECD countries, some put us above average, others below, all studies I have found do NOT rank us the highest.

LJ4pointplay wrote:-corporations are subject to double taxation. They are taxed at the corporate level and then the shareholders are taxed again when they receive their income.


This is a buzzword the billionaire controlled media uses to promote their agenda. Taxes on shareholders are very friendly, especially to long term capitol gains. Why should Wall Street investors be able to make had over fist at a zero percent tax rate? I personally day traded as a living for 8 years and found the tax code to be easily dealt with, including short term gains, which made up approximately 95% of my earnings.

LJ4pointplay wrote:-our current system is largely based on Keynesian economics, and Keynesian theory does not support your views at all. A Keynesian economist would have major issues with your views.
-you seem to not consider factors behind economic expansion and retraction aside from taxation.
-If the pie grows, and everyone's slices grow, should we take issue with the fact that certain people's slices might grow at a faster rate than others? Would you prefer the pie stay the same size and everyone be given equal sizes? I don't mean to suggest that those are the only options, but questions worth considering.

You might want to consider actually reading some Keynesian economic theory as well as some Austrian stuff (with an open mind). Milton Friedman' works would be a good start.


I kept my post short and simple, realizing there are other variables at play. However, the most resounding reason in my opinion as to why the middle class has been gutted is the tax code along with the numerous free trade agreements our government has implemented at the behest of the billionaires. I suppose I could have mentioned my thoughts on those foreign policy changes along with the removal of our tariffs. It all ties together neatly to support my claims that the post-Reagan government has been a series of negatively impacting events for almost anyone that is not in the class of the Koch brothers.

I'm an amateur at best in the area of economics, but I don't think it takes a doctorate to see the writing on the wall that we're getting bent over the couch by a few super rich psychopaths.


No interest in going back and forth, but a lot of what is in your posts are just false. Short term capital gains are NOT taxed friendly. Long term capital gains are, but capital gains have nothing to do with double taxation. When a corporation makes income it is taxed at the corporate level and then when the corporation passes that income to the shareholder (pays a dividend) the shareholder is taxed on that same income. Capital gains arises from the selling of an asset such as stock in a corporation, NOT the receipt of a dividend. To be fair, dividends are currently taxed at the same rate as long term capital gains, but they are separate concepts. My general point is that our tax code is no where near as laissez-faire as you seem to believe it is. Maybe a corporation isn't pay 90 percent tax but it is paying tax as is their shareholders and a substantial amount. Moreover, quality of life in this country has increased over the last several decades.

BTW, wall street investors do not have a zero percent tax rate. I assume you are referring to the carried interest "loophole." That "loophole" really only applies to private equity managers and in some instances hedge fund managers. They ARE taxed when they sell their capital just like everybody else is, the difference is that when they "receive" their capital (prior to selling it) they are not taxed on that receipt and their is good policy behind that.

You seem to have very strong opinions, and a genuine interest this stuff, I just think maybe be more open minded and use that open mind to look at resources that you currently disagree with.

EDIT: Also worth considering how much of our taxes are actually paid by the "rich"

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/04/13/top-1-pay-nearly-half-of-federal-income-taxes.html

-top 1 % are responsible for 46% of taxes paid by individuals.
-top 20% are responsible for 85% of taxes paid by individuals.
-top 40% are responsible of 98% of taxes paid by individuals.
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Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#171 » by Isiahthomass » Mon Mar 14, 2016 12:54 am

IllmaticHandler wrote:
Bill Pidto wrote:
IllmaticHandler wrote:Hail Trump!

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oe8aLgbO98[/youtube]


Dude... that guy is a disgrace. Clearly a racist. But how does this prove that Trump is a racist? Many people that support Bernie advocate killing police, and in some cases, advocate hating all white people. Should I assume you share those same beliefs because you support the same candidate? Do you want to kill me?




There is always an assumption that if I am not for trump, I must be for the other party :lol: . I stated already **** All these candidates. None of them will keep their word or anything to make this country "better". Its no different that any of the ones from Obama on Back. All of them always have this grand vision for America, that very rarely ever manifests itself. I have the most Issue with Trump,because he is flaming the fires on American biggest weakness. Racism.

Trump would love to take America Back into the Dark Ages, with his "vision". The Others are more covert, and have a limit. Trump's Language can start race wars. He wants to incite something. There is a reason why there is so much tension at his rallies.



There is no tension at a Cruz or Rubio rally because people are too busy sleeping.
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Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#172 » by ozwizard8 » Mon Mar 14, 2016 1:17 am

IllmaticHandler wrote:
SARGO127 wrote:All this Hispanic talk is a joke. Trump is throwing out ILLEGALS. They came to this country ILLEGALLY. What is so hard to understand?

These people will be forced out and can re-enter the country LEGALLY.



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well, conquering is very different than immigrating. NATIVE AMERICANS DIDNT WANT ANY IMMIGRANTS BACK THEN TOO. They fought for their lands and they lost.

there are many so-called SOCIALIST countries in Europe but they refuse any illegal immigration. They have strict rules. They certainly dont want anyone outside of EU. Actually they dont want immigrants from EU countries too. :lol: :lol:

illegal immigrants causes crimes, violence, poverty. they also suck all those healthcare, education and other govermental budgets.
immigrants are bad for citizens generally. its only good for rich guys because they need cheap workers.
some politicians also use them too.

I just found socialist hypocrite. They aim for identity politics. In Europe; most of them trying to be "politically correct" but they're refusing any immigrants.
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Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#173 » by IllmaticHandler » Mon Mar 14, 2016 1:19 am

ITGM wrote:
IllmaticHandler wrote:Hail Trump!

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oe8aLgbO98[/youtube]


It's clear that THUG was antagonizing that law abiding good Christian man. Can you and your people please stop using the Race Card?



Thnx


me and my people huh? FOH.



I can tell your a clown cause you called the woman a thug and that she was attacking the man.
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Post#174 » by nykballa2k4 » Mon Mar 14, 2016 1:41 am

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"As first lady, Hillary Clinton advocated for the bill, and critics say she bears responsibility for the way it has resulted in a disproportionate number of African Americans and Hispanics being ensnared in the criminal justice system. Mandatory minimum sentences, particularly for nonviolent drug crimes, were disproportionately meted out to black and Hispanic offenders. African Americans and Hispanics also are more likely than white people to be stopped by police"



Sanders voted for it too. Playing on peoples fears of minority crime is always good for cheap votes.


Um, not so fast. Hate to be the one to tell you this, but you're sorely mistaken about Bernie. You should get your facts straight first before attributing racist intent to someone, like Bernie, who has been fighting the good fight for so long.

That bill also included the assault weapons ban act and the in violence against women act which Bernie supported. He did not support the part of the bill which resulted in mass incarceration. Here's what Bernie said regarding this aspect of it:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTn3jUoMdVI[/youtube]


That was a copy and paste; I don't agree with it


This is going to be highly immature of me but: wow Bernie Sanders has been old for a LONG time! He looks 70 in 1994. Whatever he started doing then and has been doing till now must have been a miracle.

It's nice though when you see a politician who remains consistent for over two decades.
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Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#175 » by knicks85 » Mon Mar 14, 2016 1:45 am

IllmaticHandler wrote:
ITGM wrote:
IllmaticHandler wrote:Hail Trump!

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oe8aLgbO98[/youtube]


It's clear that THUG was antagonizing that law abiding good Christian man. Can you and your people please stop using the Race Card?



Thnx


me and my people huh? FOH.



I can tell your a clown cause you called the woman a thug and that she was attacking the man.

Grown man shouts racist comments yet it's the females fault...these insecure men
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Post#177 » by Context » Mon Mar 14, 2016 1:48 am

IllmaticHandler wrote:
ITGM wrote:
IllmaticHandler wrote:Hail Trump!

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oe8aLgbO98[/youtube]


It's clear that THUG was antagonizing that law abiding good Christian man. Can you and your people please stop using the Race Card?



Thnx


me and my people huh? FOH.



I can tell your a clown cause you called the woman a thug and that she was attacking the man.


ITgem- did i miss something here?
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Post#178 » by nykballa2k4 » Mon Mar 14, 2016 1:56 am

Context wrote:
IllmaticHandler wrote:
ITGM wrote:
It's clear that THUG was antagonizing that law abiding good Christian man. Can you and your people please stop using the Race Card?



Thnx


me and my people huh? FOH.



I can tell your a clown cause you called the woman a thug and that she was attacking the man.


ITgem- did i miss something here?

It is appropriate that YOU (context) asked this.
I think it is perfectly plausible that both people (heck, maybe multiple people!) in this situation are a$$holes. I have NO IDEA what happened before the racist tirade by the one idiot, so everyone else is innocent until proven guilty.
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Post#179 » by IllmaticHandler » Mon Mar 14, 2016 2:11 am

nykballa2k4 wrote:
Context wrote:
IllmaticHandler wrote:
me and my people huh? FOH.



I can tell your a clown cause you called the woman a thug and that she was attacking the man.


ITgem- did i miss something here?

It is appropriate that YOU (context) asked this.
I think it is perfectly plausible that both people (heck, maybe multiple people!) in this situation are a$$holes. I have NO IDEA what happened before the racist tirade by the one idiot, so everyone else is innocent until proven guilty.



Nothing happened. Its the same video that was posted hours ago and numerous people responded to it, with out saying the sucker **** he said. Dude is a coward. Only a coward would speak like that over a computer.


Its clear that he chanting his BS from behind her. Look how long it takes for her to come into the frame. Its obvious she only comes into the Frame because of the BS he is saying that she hears. Its why she was quickly held back when she started to approach him. There is a reason why the other white people defended her.
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Re: OT. The Donald Trump Momentum Thread 

Post#180 » by Context » Mon Mar 14, 2016 2:17 am

nykballa2k4 wrote:
Context wrote:
IllmaticHandler wrote:
me and my people huh? FOH.



I can tell your a clown cause you called the woman a thug and that she was attacking the man.


ITgem- did i miss something here?

It is appropriate that YOU (context) asked this.
I think it is perfectly plausible that both people (heck, maybe multiple people!) in this situation are a$$holes. I have NO IDEA what happened before the racist tirade by the one idiot, so everyone else is innocent until proven guilty.

no no... I just wanted to make sure that I read that right. I'm waiting for ITgem to respond. He's a guy that's always shown his "wit"
on this site. Who knows maybe he was being sarcastic or displaying some sort of humor that I'm not familiar with.
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