TOP QBS OF SUPEBOWL ERA

[LAKESHOW]

1. Tom(from California)
2. Joe (from California via 49ers)
3. John (from California)
4. Aaron (from California)
5. Brett (wannabe Hollywood)

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000645248/article/top-qbs-through-super-bowl-50-tom-brady-tops-joe-montana

[bluejerseyjinx]

Joe Montana & Roger Staubach. The two best I have ever seen play and IMHO, no body else comes close to those 2 gentleman. Don't care what the stats say in today's so called modern era, offensive style rules of football with 2 extra games per year, an extra round of playoff games to compile stats. There's no way to truly compare the era's, but I would love to see how Montana, Staubach, Marino and Fouts would have done by todays rules without having to retire early because of multiple concussions.

[RavenMad31]

1. Tom(from California)
2. Joe (from California via 49ers)
3. John (from California)
4. Aaron (from California)
5. Brett (wannabe Hollywood)

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000645248/article/top-qbs-through-super-bowl-50-tom-brady-tops-joe-montana

Good to see you finally came around and realized who #1 all time is, Lakeshow. ;P I think it's time we start mentioning Drew Brees on these all time lists. His stats are there and he did manage to win the big one once for what that's worth. He's essentially done what Aaron Rodgers has done, but over a longer period of time.

Joe Montana & Roger Staubach. The two best I have ever seen play and IMHO, no body else comes close to those 2 gentleman. Don't care what the stats say in today's so called modern era, offensive style rules of football with 2 extra games per year, an extra round of playoff games to compile stats. There's no way to truly compare the era's, but I would love to see how Montana, Staubach, Marino and Fouts would have done by todays rules without having to retire early because of multiple concussions.

Joe Montana and Roger deserve their place in the conversation, as does Marino. I'm skeptical of Fouts. He had a nice run of about 4 years in an offense that threw way more often than was typical of the time against defenses not designed to face it. To some degree, that will always be a mark I make against Montana too.
We've had this old vs. new conversation before. Today's rules do favor offense, of course. What is also different is that the players you face are in remarkably better shape (i.e., they aren't showing up still drunk from the night before ahem, Kenny Stabler or they aren't smoking cigarettes on the sideline, Len Dawson), the players hitting you are 20-50 pounds bigger and they are faster, the windows you pass into close faster, the defenses you read are far more complex and your learning curve for all this is much shorter than when it wasn't even expected that a QB would even play much until his second, third or even fourth year. Nobody retired early because of concussions back then. Back then, nobody knew anything and it was called "having your bell rung". I actually would like to put a Chargers uniform on a 1981 Dan Fouts and see what he could do this coming season. I'd like to see the look on his face after his first pass is picked off and see what he has to say about the speed of the game compared to when he played. Or would he be wondering how the hell a defensive end was athletic enough to drop into pass coverage to pick him off?

[bluejerseyjinx]

Yes, and we've had this debate before and I haven't changed my mind. You can spin it anyway you want, I don't care. I'll take Staubach or Montana anytime, anywhere, with only one game on the line, over anything you pick.

[Celtsfan1980]

Manning's defense bailed him out at least one game in both Championship runs. Odd that the article never mentions that fact. They also put him seventh so they're not too biased. Mostly ignoring Elway's good(but not great) statistics I also disagree with. I'm not sure if he's even top 10.

[LAKESHOW]

Elway is A G! Dude is the standard by which all grades are given! He created the 5th star athlete, before him, you were simply a prospect. Elway had the rocket arm, mobility, mental capability, all wrapped up into 1. He is the most interesting man in the world, before they gave it to that mexican guy. Child pleeeze. Elways legit

[RavenMad31]

Elway is A G! Dude is the standard by which all grades are given! He created the 5th star athlete, before him, you were simply a prospect. Elway had the rocket arm, mobility, mental capability, all wrapped up into 1. He is the most interesting man in the world, before they gave it to that mexican guy. Child pleeeze. Elways legit

With the exception of a couple nice players, the teams he carried on his back to the Super Bowl were not much more than a JV squad. The fact that he even made it past the Browns, who had very good, complete teams with a good head coach is impressive enough. I actually like Elway more than Montana.

Yes, and we've had this debate before and I haven't changed my mind. You can spin it anyway you want, I don't care. I'll take Staubach or Montana anytime, anywhere, with only one game on the line, over anything you pick.

That's good to hear, because I'll win. Hell, if it's just one game for all the marbles and no regular season, I'll start with my guy Joe Flacco, then gimme any given Ravens defense from 2000-2009, Jamal Lewis and Jon Ogden and I will happily face Montana or Staubach and any team you want to pluck from the 70s. I beg you to consider the Steel Curtain. 275 pound Joe Greene would look hilarious next to 335 equally athletic pounds of Haloti Ngata.

[bluejerseyjinx]

And I'll take my doomsday defense, put Earl Campbell in the backfield and laugh all the way to the bank. Good luck.

[RavenMad31]

And I'll take my doomsday defense, put Earl Campbell in the backfield and laugh all the way to the bank. Good luck.

Sounds good to me. I get arguably the best defense ever that also had to do it in an era more favorable to offense vs. a defense that none would even consider the best of their decade and Earl Campbell vs. basically Earl Campbell +20lbs. and angry at everything? Yeah, I'll take that every day of the week. Jamauler might run for 500 yards not having to face a 9 man front every time he touches the ball.

[bluejerseyjinx]

An AFl team, you crack me up, lol.

[truth18]

Glad to see you've come around on Tommy, Lake.