The problem with Dre!

[SamFlow]

He started this year out at a killers pace. Did wonderful. Scoring points, Rebounding like a mad man. Confidence was at an all time high.

Foul. Let's put him on the line to slow him down.. . . . And slow him down it did.
Hack... ha ha shoot some. Smack... ha ha, air ball. Hug me, you're at the line again... and again... and again...

Clank, boinggggg, hardly ever a swish! confidence lost. I don't even want the ball. Keep it away from me.
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Dre either needs to learn how to shoot a somewhat decent big man percentage or learn to let it go and let those fouls take out the opposing players. Get over it, get past it, move forward and leave it behind and go beast mode. They will NOT do that every single game.

Timid play and lose of confidence. Not a max player until he can do one of those things. Play through it like it never happened and won't again, even though it will.... or learn how to shoot. Both will take confidence.

[MotownMadness]

It's definitely the hacking that has made him timid. Beginning of the year he was wrecking everyone from Gobert to Howard etc.. Since Houston pulled that crap it's like he doesn't want to be to good to give the other team a reason to take him out of the game or something.

[Arp590]

I don't know why Dre doesn't aggressively back his way down in the post with the ball, it seems he always settles for a long hook shot.
I see him get deep position in the post without the ball but we never give him the ball when he is in position, it's frustrating.

[DetPistons04]

I see him get deep position in the post without the ball but we never give him the ball when he is in position, it's frustrating.

Honestly I don't agree with that... I think one of his biggest problems on the offensive end is that he doesn't consistently work hard enough to get good post position and demand the ball. He goes down there, doesn't fully seal off his defender, and expects someone to throw him an entry pass. They're not gonna feed the ball into him in the post unless he's got his guy sealed off because then you're just risking a turnover on the entry pass. Andre also needs to work harder to gain post position deeper in the paint. Too often he wants the ball too far away from the basket.

[Arp590]

I see him get deep position in the post without the ball but we never give him the ball when he is in position, it's frustrating.

Honestly I don't agree with that... I think one of his biggest problems on the offensive end is that he doesn't consistently work hard enough to get good post position and demand the ball. He goes down there, doesn't fully seal off his defender, and expects someone to throw him an entry pass. They're not gonna feed the ball into him in the post unless he's got his guy sealed off because then you're just risking a turnover on the entry pass. Andre also needs to work harder to gain post position deeper in the paint. Too often he wants the ball too far away from the basket.

Yeah most of the time he doesn't try to get deep position like I had mentioned.
But there are times when he has great position with his man sealed off and we decide to ignore him instead.
Why would you constantly work hard for deep post position if you're constantly ignored?

[RasheedTupac]

His defense is the real problem. He can miss a 100 free throws for all I care but his defense is so bad and it just makes everything much worse. Every center with some what skill has dominated us because of Drummonds defense.


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[Billl]

The "problem" with Dre is that he is physical beast, but not a fundamentally sound basketball player at this point. I put problem in quotes because the guy is still only 22 and really hasn't been in a good environment for most of his NBA carrier. There will be 22 yr olds drafted this year, so it's not reasonable to expect him to be a finished product yet. He has made some pretty big strides on the offensive end already and hopefully will continue to improve.

"Why would you constantly work hard for deep post position if you're constantly ignored?'

Same reason you run the floor hard even though you don't always get the ball. He's responsible for putting himself in a position to succeed. If the other players aren't doing the same, it's up to SVG to get them in line or put in some guys who will play solid team ball. Great players pull their teammates up to their level, not sink down with them.

[Arp590]

His defense is the real problem. He can miss a 100 free throws for all I care but his defense is so bad and it just makes everything much worse. Every center with some what skill has dominated us because of Drummonds defense.


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I remember in his 1st season he had a much greater defensive impact and a lot on this board thought he could be an all-time great defensive player.
I'm not really sure what happened.

[RSCD3_]

I see him get deep position in the post without the ball but we never give him the ball when he is in position, it's frustrating.

Honestly I don't agree with that... I think one of his biggest problems on the offensive end is that he doesn't consistently work hard enough to get good post position and demand the ball. He goes down there, doesn't fully seal off his defender, and expects someone to throw him an entry pass. They're not gonna feed the ball into him in the post unless he's got his guy sealed off because then you're just risking a turnover on the entry pass. Andre also needs to work harder to gain post position deeper in the paint. Too often he wants the ball too far away from the basket.

Yeah most of the time he doesn't try to get deep position like I had mentioned.
But there are times when he has great position with his man sealed off and we decide to ignore him instead.
Why would you constantly work hard for deep post position if you're constantly ignored?

Also being deep in the post isnt that helpful when he's covered by 3 or so guys in close quarters thanks to defenders cheating off the poor 3 point shooters we have. We need to give him more space so he isnt backing down a quasi-double team

[Arp590]

Honestly I don't agree with that... I think one of his biggest problems on the offensive end is that he doesn't consistently work hard enough to get good post position and demand the ball. He goes down there, doesn't fully seal off his defender, and expects someone to throw him an entry pass. They're not gonna feed the ball into him in the post unless he's got his guy sealed off because then you're just risking a turnover on the entry pass. Andre also needs to work harder to gain post position deeper in the paint. Too often he wants the ball too far away from the basket.

Yeah most of the time he doesn't try to get deep position like I had mentioned.
But there are times when he has great position with his man sealed off and we decide to ignore him instead.
Why would you constantly work hard for deep post position if you're constantly ignored?

Also being deep in the post isnt that helpful when he's covered by 3 or so guys in close quarters thanks to defenders cheating off the poor 3 point shooters we have. We need to give him more space so he isnt backing down a quasi-double team

This is also true.

[tmorgan]

His defense is the real problem. He can miss a 100 free throws for all I care but his defense is so bad and it just makes everything much worse. Every center with some what skill has dominated us because of Drummonds defense.


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I remember in his 1st season he had a much greater defensive impact and a lot on this board thought he could be an all-time great defensive player.
I'm not really sure what happened.

I'd imagine the league learned not to go right at him, because any kind of pass/switch and he's likely to get befuddled.

[fekz]

His defense is the real problem. He can miss a 100 free throws for all I care but his defense is so bad and it just makes everything much worse. Every center with some what skill has dominated us because of Drummonds defense.


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Defense is his biggest issue right now, especially against competent shooting bigs. I'd say the second most beneficial thing would be learning to pass the rock out to shooters for open looks, which he is slowly starting to do. If he could rack up 1.5-2 assists per game doing this it would change the way teams attack. Gamble on Dre and get burned by the 3, or keep position and dre is ISO against his defender.

[ComboGuardCity]

Drummond is rarely doubled. Where is this narrative coming from. No one is cheating to help on Dre.

[fekz]

Drummond is rarely doubled. Where is this narrative coming from. No one is cheating to help on Dre.

Just quote me directly man. They don't "double" him, you're right, but there's often a defender lingering around him for the swipe who'd be penalized once Dre consistently learns how to spot the open man out on the perimeter.

[need4detroit]

1. He rushes shots. Seriously, he shouldn't be rushing his shot on anyone.
2. He doesn't back his man down as far as he can. He should be backing players into dunking position.

[ComboGuardCity]

Drummond is rarely doubled. Where is this narrative coming from. No one is cheating to help on Dre.

Just quote me directly man. They don't "double" him, you're right, but there's often a defender lingering around him for the swipe who'd be penalized once Dre consistently learns how to spot the open man out on the perimeter.

I actually didn't see your posts and was quoting AR and RS. I'm on my phone so it's easier to just post rather than quote. To your point, I rarely see help even come over.

[Blkbrd671]

He started this year out at a killers pace. Did wonderful. Scoring points, Rebounding like a mad man. Confidence was at an all time high.

Foul. Let's put him on the line to slow him down.. . . . And slow him down it did.
Hack... ha ha shoot some. Smack... ha ha, air ball. Hug me, you're at the line again... and again... and again...

Clank, boinggggg, hardly ever a swish! confidence lost. I don't even want the ball. Keep it away from me.
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i feel like that reads like a childrens novel. haha, i mean that respectfully.

Dre either needs to learn how to shoot a somewhat decent big man percentage or learn to let it go and let those fouls take out the opposing players. Get over it, get past it, move forward and leave it behind and go beast mode. They will NOT do that every single game.

Timid play and lose of confidence. Not a max player until he can do one of those things. Play through it like it never happened and won't again, even though it will.... or learn how to shoot. Both will take confidence.

It impacts him way too much, however its very common with players that are still developing and young, which dre is. Its maturity and experience that will break that habit.

In regards to your max player comment. Dre is a max player next year regardless of what he does. Some team is going to offer it too him , and detroit sure as hell is going to match. Does he deserve it? probably not at this point in his career with so many holes, but in reality how many players are actually worth there contract.

[SamFlow]

He started this year out at a killers pace. Did wonderful. Scoring points, Rebounding like a mad man. Confidence was at an all time high.

Foul. Let's put him on the line to slow him down.. . . . And slow him down it did.
Hack... ha ha shoot some. Smack... ha ha, air ball. Hug me, you're at the line again... and again... and again...

Clank, boinggggg, hardly ever a swish! confidence lost. I don't even want the ball. Keep it away from me.
...

i feel like that reads like a childrens novel. haha, i mean that respectfully.

Dre either needs to learn how to shoot a somewhat decent big man percentage or learn to let it go and let those fouls take out the opposing players. Get over it, get past it, move forward and leave it behind and go beast mode. They will NOT do that every single game.

Timid play and lose of confidence. Not a max player until he can do one of those things. Play through it like it never happened and won't again, even though it will.... or learn how to shoot. Both will take confidence.

It impacts him way too much, however its very common with players that are still developing and young, which dre is. Its maturity and experience that will break that habit.

In regards to your max player comment. Dre is a max player next year regardless of what he does. Some team is going to offer it too him , and detroit sure as hell is going to match. Does he deserve it? probably not at this point in his career with so many holes, but in reality how many players are actually worth there contract.

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1. Thanks, the book will be out on itunes soon.

2. I know he will make max. If I ran the team, I would offer him max as well. But, with regards to real max players, to players that affect the team and the game and everything around them. This confidence problem, which hopefully improves with age and hard work to shoot better, is the issue. Defense is a different item. He's works well against centers, but the foot speed is not there for pf's.

[Blkbrd671]

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1. Thanks, the book will be out on itunes soon.

2. I know he will make max. If I ran the team, I would offer him max as well. But, with regards to real max players, to players that affect the team and the game and everything around them. This confidence problem, which hopefully improves with age and hard work to shoot better, is the issue. Defense is a different item. He's works well against centers, but the foot speed is not there for pf's.

i forgot who said this, maybe SVG, but basically it reads If he's got the foot work and skillset on the offensive end, he can apply it on the defensive end. Dre's quickness is often compared to that of a guard, and its pretty accurate, now height and all that matter, however against pf's, dre certainly has enough speed to stay in front and meet guys on the perimeter. Its his technique and positioning. This is why guys like Noah and Draymond can guard smaller guys despite not having the athletic ability of Dre, because of their defensive fundamentals. I don't know this, but i am sure Noah and Green both put in a lot of film work.

I don't think Dre is every going to be able to guard a pf all game, however i do think he has the ability, in the moments he finds himself guarding a guard or pf, to make it much more difficult for them to score. Right now, team game plans are ,Dre on the perimeter against guards,.........................COOKIES!!!!!

i think stats would back that assumption

[DetroitSho]

1. He rushes shots. Seriously, he shouldn't be rushing his shot on anyone.
2. He doesn't back his man down as far as he can. He should be backing players into dunking position.

Bingo bango, agree 100%. It's almost like he's gotten into a rhythm so much working on his move with the big man coach, "1 dribble, 2 dribble, turn and hook" that he does it regardless of the defense's response. Whether he moves his defender 2 inches or if they've provided no resistance, it's 1 dribble, 2 dribble, turn and hook.

Dude when you see your man flying back 3 feet off one dribble close that gap and do it again until you're able to dunk HIS ass.