How does your realistic, ideal offseason go from here?

darealjuice · Post #1 » by **darealjuice** » Fri Jun 3, 2016 8:09 pm

We've spent hundreds of pages discussing potential trades, prospects we like at all 4 of our draft picks, potential free agents, what we need to do to get back to the quality of basketball we've enjoyed for pretty much the entire history of the franchise, etc., but I don't think I've seen more than a handful of people actually lay out what their ideal moves for the offseason besides just not being terrible again.

Who would you go after in FA? Who do we pick/what do we do with our draft picks? What kind of realistic trades could we pull off? Are there any specific assistant coaches that you'd want to aim for? What does our roster look like going into next year?

I'll post my thoughts when I get off work, but I'm interested in people's opinions. Obviously it's likely none of this happens, and it's probably a waste of time but so is thinking about all these thing's separately so why not put it all together lol. You don't have to write a novel either, unless you really feel like justifying yourself.

Post #2 » by **bwgood77** » Fri Jun 3, 2016 8:44 pm

In short, but may expand later, I use all four draft picks so you get the best deals in a summer where contracts in free agency will go absolutely crazy. Why would you not use all your picks? I build depth and take the best talent in the draft. I add at least two PFs, a pass first PG, preferably with decent size and length who can also shoot, and perhaps a wing that can play defense. I've mentioned all the guys I like, so I'm sure people know who they are, but we don't necessarily have anything. We need to stop giving out crazy contracts to average or below average players.

I've mentioned and shown the numbers to demonstrate how Harrison Barnes is a below average player who played worse than Warren this year. Guys like him will probably get max offers. I hope it's not us because we should spend our money more wisely and give Warren a chance to play more and earn the starting job.

Build a culture so bring back Leuer and/or Telly if they want to come back, but not on outrageous or really long contracts (I guess one could be long if it was extremely reasonable).

Right now our team doesn't have enough assets AND talent to trade for any type of star and retain enough talent that would allow us to compete with the top teams in the west. And we don't know if Bledsoe can stay healthy. If he can't, the team is MUCH worse off because we don't have much talent at all and he would not have any trade value.

Post #3 » by **Cactus Jack** » Fri Jun 3, 2016 8:55 pm

Draft night:
Plan A. Acquire Okafor for 4th + filler (Knight maybe). Take someone like Korkmaz/Luwawu at 13. Picks 28 + 34 are likely Draft and stash candidates. Don't really care at this point.

Plan B. Assuming Okafor is off the table. Draft Dunn at 4. This team needs a franchise pg again. This would lead to a trade of Knight or Bledsoe.

Free Agency:
I predict the big names will pretty much stay put. So, this team really cant afford to throw max deals at mid-level type players. Instead, Sign a few players to bargain type deals. Portland's strategy last summer.

NTB · Post #4 » by **NTB** » Fri Jun 3, 2016 9:02 pm

I don't care which way he is gonna do it but i need these 3 things to happen:

- Bring a PF
- Bring a SF
- Get rid of Knight.

Optional: Sign Teletovic again.

Stix · Post #5 » by **Stix** » Fri Jun 3, 2016 9:25 pm

This is not ideal, but hey this is what rebuilding looks like, and realistic IMO.

1. Trade #4 + Goodwin for Okafor

2. Draft Luwawu at #13

3. Trade #28 for Kyle O'Quinn

4. Draft Maker at #34

5. Trade Len + Tucker + Future 1st for Thad Young

6. Free Agent Signing: Jerryd Bayless

Bledsoe - Booker - Warren - Young - Okafor
Bench: Knight - Bayless - Bogdan - Luwawu - O'Quinn - Maker - Chandler

Post #6 » by **rsavaj** » Fri Jun 3, 2016 10:31 pm

bwgood77 wrote:In short, but may expand later, I use all four draft picks so you get the best deals in a summer where contracts in free agency will go absolutely crazy. Why would you not use all your picks? I build depth and take the best talent in the draft. I add at least two PFs, a pass first PG, preferably with decent size and length who can also shoot, and perhaps a wing that can play defense. I've mentioned all the guys I like, so I'm sure people know who they are, but we don't necessarily have anything. We need to stop giving out crazy contracts to average or below average players.

I've mentioned and shown the numbers to demonstrate how Harrison Barnes is a below average player who played worse than Warren this year. Guys like him will probably get max offers. I hope it's not us because we should spend our money more wisely and give Warren a chance to play more and earn the starting job.

Build a culture so bring back Leuer and/or Telly if they want to come back, but not on outrageous or really long contracts (I guess one could be long if it was extremely reasonable).

Right now our team doesn't have enough assets AND talent to trade for any type of star and retain enough talent that would allow us to compete with the top teams in the west. And we don't know if Bledsoe can stay healthy. If he can't, the team is MUCH worse off because we don't have much talent at all and he would not have any trade value.

pretty much this

I think realistic FA targets could include guys like Ish Smith, Jeremy Lin, Batum, Marvin Williams, Jared Dudley(THE RETURN)

also Amare's mentioned his desire to retire here and I wouldn't mind having him as a cheerleader on the bench

darealjuice · Post #7 » by **darealjuice** » Fri Jun 3, 2016 11:13 pm

I see us in a position where we need to embrace the rebuilding of the team. The most important part that will dictate how our offseason needs to go is the draft, so I had a few scenarios centered around who Boston goes with and if we can make trades happen (spoilered to avoid Wall o' Text):

1. Boston selects Jamal Murray/trades their pick to Philadelphia for Okafor, who selects Jamal Murray/Kris Dunn/Buddy Hield

Spoiler:

2. Boston selects Dragan Bender and the Suns acquire Jahlil Okafor and (TJ McConnell or Robert Covington) for the #4 pick and Brandon Knight

Spoiler:

3. Boston selects Dragan Bender, Philadelphia decides to trade Okafor to someone else or move Noel instead, and the Suns select Jamal Murray

Spoiler:

Moral of the story: Strap in, there's a 95% chance we're still bad next year.

Gorilla Warfare · Post #8 » by **Gorilla Warfare** » Sat Jun 4, 2016 1:09 am

Draft Bender with #4, Labissiere/Johnson with #13, and Maker at #28. Get rid of Knight and Chandler, and pick up Al Horford.

Post #9 » by **bwgood77** » Sat Jun 4, 2016 1:33 am

darealjuice wrote:I see us in a position where we need to embrace the rebuilding of the team. The most important part that will dictate how our offseason needs to go is the draft, so I had a few scenarios centered around who Boston goes with and if we can make trades happen (spoilered to avoid Wall o' Text):

1. Boston selects Jamal Murray/trades their pick to Philadelphia for Okafor, who selects Jamal Murray/Kris Dunn/Buddy Hield
Spoiler:
In this situation, we don't work out a deal with Philly for Okafor and Dragan Bender drops to us at the #4 pick. This gives us at worst a versatile role player at a position we need filled, and at best a star Power Forward that can shoot, pass, dribble, and defend. The 13th pick is allowed to be a bit more flexible, where we can go for an upside guy that has shown a lot of development in the last year in Luwawu, an above-average athlete Point Guard that can play off the ball with long arms, an NBA body, proven defensive ability, and a solid outside shot, or a smart Senior that can bring the Suns an extra playmaker on the floor that's a threat from 3. Draft and Stash or High Potential guys at the 28th and 34th.

4th Pick: Dragan Bender
13th Pick: Timothe Luwawu/Wade Baldwin IV/Denzel Valentine
28th/34th Pick: Zhou Qi/Chieck Diallo/Petr Cornelie/Juan Hernangomez/Thon Maker/Guerschon Yabusele

If Bender has improved his body and we feel he can start, give him a go right away, trade Knight for a future draft pick, and re-sign Teletovic to be the 6th man/back-up. If not, trade Knight for a starting-caliber Power Forward of similar value like Thad Young and give Bender around 20 to 25 minutes per game.

PG: Bledsoe/Baldwin IV
SG: Booker/Goodwin
SF: Tucker/Warren
PF: Bender/Teletovic or Young/Bender
C: Len/Chandler

We still suck, but have a lot of young talent on the team, a much more balanced roster than after the trade deadline last year, and a good shot at a high pick in next year's more talented draft

2. Boston selects Dragan Bender and the Suns acquire Jahlil Okafor and (TJ McConnell or Robert Covington) for the #4 pick and Brandon Knight
Spoiler:
Instead of taking the best prospect available at that point, which in my opinion is one of the guards, we move our draft pick and Brandon Knight for a prospect better than anyone on the board still. Now we have a log jam at Center after clearing up our other log jam, but it's pretty undeniable that Okafor is much more talented than Len. Package Len and the 13th pick to move up if we can, if not then trade him to the highest bidder, allowing Okafor to be mentored on defense by Tyson and create a great inside-out game with Booker. Draft Skal Labissiere and develop him into something like a more mobile Channing Frye that can block shots and cover Okafor's defensive mishaps. Sign a Power Forward like DMo to start if we can for a non-absurd contract, if not re-sign Teletovic because he wants to be here. Draft high upside/stash guys at 28/34 and throw them in the D-League to develop.

13th Pick: Skal Labissiere
28th/34th Pick: Zhou Qi/Chieck Diallo/Petr Cornelie/Juan Hernangomez/Thon Maker/Guerschon Yabusele/Patrick McCaw/Dejounte Murray (if he drops there)/Tyler Ulis/Kay Felder

PG: Bledsoe/(McConnell or Ulis)
SG: Booker/Goodwin
SF: Tucker/Warren
PF: Teletovic/Labissiere/(Covington or Diallo)
C: Okafor/Chandler

Okafor can spell a bit at the 4, but preferably not. DMo or Teletovic can be a stop gap starter while we develop Skal and evaluate our later picks, and hopefully everyone is entering their prime around the same time so we can be a competitive team. Have a smart back up point guard that won't turn the ball over and can keep the offense in check when Bledsoe is out. We still suck next year, and get a shot at a top prospect in the next draft to add to our youth.

3. Boston selects Dragan Bender, Philadelphia decides to trade Okafor to someone else or move Noel instead, and the Suns select Jamal Murray
Spoiler:
We miss out on Dragan Bender and are unable to get Okafor from the Sixers, so we draft the best player available and complete the dream Kentucky lineup of Bledsoe/Murray/Knight/Goodwin/Booker. Say what you will about Jamal Murray's ability to run the point, but our new hire Jay Triano believed he had the ability to do it for Canada and Nash has been impressed with him as the GM for the Canadian National Team. Right now he comes off the bench behind Bledsoe and Booker with the hopes of developing into a Guard we can pair with Booker. The Kentucky dream doesn't last long, as draft night we send Brandon Knight, our 13th pick, and our 34th pick to the Kings for the 8th pick in the draft and Rudy Gay to swing for the fences and draft Marquese Chriss at #8, leaping over Toronto for him and hoping that he can develop into the Power Forward we need him to be while playing with his favorite player. Sign Amare in FA so he can retire a Sun and Space Jam his talent and athleticism to Chriss. Same old story with the 28th pick.

4th Pick: Jamal Murray
8th Pick: Marquese Crhiss
28th Pick: Zhou Qi/Chieck Diallo/Petr Cornelie/Juan Hernangomez/Thon Maker/Guerschon Yabusele

PG: Bledsoe/Murray
SG: Booker/Murray/Goodwin
SF: Warren/Tucker
PF: Gay/Amare/Chriss/(Diallo)
C: Len/Chandler/Amare/(Qi or Maker)

Probably a slightly more competitive roster compared to the others, but still pretty damn bad, and most likely in the running for a mid-lottery pick. Hope that Chriss can develop his offensive game under Gay while being mentored by Chandler, Amare and Tucker on fundamentals of defense, rebounding, and the pick and roll, and pray that he can continue to improve at a fast rate so he can be a starter/significant contributor at the Power Forward spot in a year and a half or two.

Moral of the story: Strap in, there's a 95% chance we're still bad next year.

I pretty much agree with the scenarios. #1 would be extremely ideal for me, down to the same players I'd want and everything..might change a few out at the 28 and 34. Not sure about Diallo, would definitely add Bentil and Bolomboy.

darealjuice · Post #10 » by **darealjuice** » Sat Jun 4, 2016 2:07 am

bwgood77 wrote:
darealjuice wrote:I see us in a position where we need to embrace the rebuilding of the team. The most important part that will dictate how our offseason needs to go is the draft, so I had a few scenarios centered around who Boston goes with and if we can make trades happen (spoilered to avoid Wall o' Text):

1. Boston selects Jamal Murray/trades their pick to Philadelphia for Okafor, who selects Jamal Murray/Kris Dunn/Buddy Hield
Spoiler:
In this situation, we don't work out a deal with Philly for Okafor and Dragan Bender drops to us at the #4 pick. This gives us at worst a versatile role player at a position we need filled, and at best a star Power Forward that can shoot, pass, dribble, and defend. The 13th pick is allowed to be a bit more flexible, where we can go for an upside guy that has shown a lot of development in the last year in Luwawu, an above-average athlete Point Guard that can play off the ball with long arms, an NBA body, proven defensive ability, and a solid outside shot, or a smart Senior that can bring the Suns an extra playmaker on the floor that's a threat from 3. Draft and Stash or High Potential guys at the 28th and 34th.

4th Pick: Dragan Bender
13th Pick: Timothe Luwawu/Wade Baldwin IV/Denzel Valentine
28th/34th Pick: Zhou Qi/Chieck Diallo/Petr Cornelie/Juan Hernangomez/Thon Maker/Guerschon Yabusele

If Bender has improved his body and we feel he can start, give him a go right away, trade Knight for a future draft pick, and re-sign Teletovic to be the 6th man/back-up. If not, trade Knight for a starting-caliber Power Forward of similar value like Thad Young and give Bender around 20 to 25 minutes per game.

PG: Bledsoe/Baldwin IV
SG: Booker/Goodwin
SF: Tucker/Warren
PF: Bender/Teletovic or Young/Bender
C: Len/Chandler

We still suck, but have a lot of young talent on the team, a much more balanced roster than after the trade deadline last year, and a good shot at a high pick in next year's more talented draft

2. Boston selects Dragan Bender and the Suns acquire Jahlil Okafor and (TJ McConnell or Robert Covington) for the #4 pick and Brandon Knight
Spoiler:
Instead of taking the best prospect available at that point, which in my opinion is one of the guards, we move our draft pick and Brandon Knight for a prospect better than anyone on the board still. Now we have a log jam at Center after clearing up our other log jam, but it's pretty undeniable that Okafor is much more talented than Len. Package Len and the 13th pick to move up if we can, if not then trade him to the highest bidder, allowing Okafor to be mentored on defense by Tyson and create a great inside-out game with Booker. Draft Skal Labissiere and develop him into something like a more mobile Channing Frye that can block shots and cover Okafor's defensive mishaps. Sign a Power Forward like DMo to start if we can for a non-absurd contract, if not re-sign Teletovic because he wants to be here. Draft high upside/stash guys at 28/34 and throw them in the D-League to develop.

13th Pick: Skal Labissiere
28th/34th Pick: Zhou Qi/Chieck Diallo/Petr Cornelie/Juan Hernangomez/Thon Maker/Guerschon Yabusele/Patrick McCaw/Dejounte Murray (if he drops there)/Tyler Ulis/Kay Felder

PG: Bledsoe/(McConnell or Ulis)
SG: Booker/Goodwin
SF: Tucker/Warren
PF: Teletovic/Labissiere/(Covington or Diallo)
C: Okafor/Chandler

Okafor can spell a bit at the 4, but preferably not. DMo or Teletovic can be a stop gap starter while we develop Skal and evaluate our later picks, and hopefully everyone is entering their prime around the same time so we can be a competitive team. Have a smart back up point guard that won't turn the ball over and can keep the offense in check when Bledsoe is out. We still suck next year, and get a shot at a top prospect in the next draft to add to our youth.

3. Boston selects Dragan Bender, Philadelphia decides to trade Okafor to someone else or move Noel instead, and the Suns select Jamal Murray
Spoiler:
We miss out on Dragan Bender and are unable to get Okafor from the Sixers, so we draft the best player available and complete the dream Kentucky lineup of Bledsoe/Murray/Knight/Goodwin/Booker. Say what you will about Jamal Murray's ability to run the point, but our new hire Jay Triano believed he had the ability to do it for Canada and Nash has been impressed with him as the GM for the Canadian National Team. Right now he comes off the bench behind Bledsoe and Booker with the hopes of developing into a Guard we can pair with Booker. The Kentucky dream doesn't last long, as draft night we send Brandon Knight, our 13th pick, and our 34th pick to the Kings for the 8th pick in the draft and Rudy Gay to swing for the fences and draft Marquese Chriss at #8, leaping over Toronto for him and hoping that he can develop into the Power Forward we need him to be while playing with his favorite player. Sign Amare in FA so he can retire a Sun and Space Jam his talent and athleticism to Chriss. Same old story with the 28th pick.

4th Pick: Jamal Murray
8th Pick: Marquese Crhiss
28th Pick: Zhou Qi/Chieck Diallo/Petr Cornelie/Juan Hernangomez/Thon Maker/Guerschon Yabusele

PG: Bledsoe/Murray
SG: Booker/Murray/Goodwin
SF: Warren/Tucker
PF: Gay/Amare/Chriss/(Diallo)
C: Len/Chandler/Amare/(Qi or Maker)

Probably a slightly more competitive roster compared to the others, but still pretty damn bad, and most likely in the running for a mid-lottery pick. Hope that Chriss can develop his offensive game under Gay while being mentored by Chandler, Amare and Tucker on fundamentals of defense, rebounding, and the pick and roll, and pray that he can continue to improve at a fast rate so he can be a starter/significant contributor at the Power Forward spot in a year and a half or two.

Moral of the story: Strap in, there's a 95% chance we're still bad next year.

I pretty much agree with the scenarios. #1 would be extremely ideal for me, down to the same players I'd want and everything..might change a few out at the 28 and 34. Not sure about Diallo, would definitely add Bentil and Bolomboy.

I prefer #1 as well. I really like Diallo if he lasts until those picks, he's raw but he's got a big motor, great length (~7' 4" wingspan), loves to rebound and block shots, and has great mobility and athleticism. I honestly think if he hadn't come to Kansas where he was pretty much guaranteed to sit behind established upperclassmen like Perry Ellis and Landon Lucas and didn't have his eligibility issues to start the season hindering his ability to improve chemistry with the team, he would have a much better draft stock.

LukasBMW · Post #11 » by **LukasBMW** » Sat Jun 4, 2016 5:03 pm

Essentially I want:

1. Suns to combine assets to acquire a young PF with sky high potential. Pair with Booker for our future 1-2 punch.
2. Suns to acquire a low risk/high reward rookie or two via the draft.
3. Suns to use cap money wisely and either acquire some boom/bust guys on team option deals or high character vets on team option deals as placeholders.
4. Suns NOT to try to acquire Lebron or Durant via some stupid pipe dream.

Dream Scenario:

- We trade #4 + #13 + Knight to Philly for #1 and take Simmons

- We use #28 or package #28 + #32 to move up and secure Sabonis or Thon (Both guys seem to have great attitudes)

- We sign a few "misfit" free agents to inflated 2-3 year deals with team options after year 1. If the free agent pans out and finally lives up to their potential, we keep them. If the free agent busts, we let them walk after a year and get our cap room. If the free agent really is a pain, we waive them mid year and don't loose too much sleep over it. Possible potential guys include Brandon Jennings, DMO, and T Jones. Possible vet placeholders with high character include Jeremy Lin and Mirza.

- Bring over BB

Lineup
Bledsoe/Jennings (Jennings keeps the pressure on Bledsoe and is also injury insurance)
Booker/BB/Archie (Archie and BB fight it out for the backup spot)(Maybe we acquire a vet SG midyear if we are in the playoff mix)
TJ/PJ (Give TJ some burn this year god damnit!)
Simmons/TJones (Give T Jones a chance to win the starting spot, or play small ball 5)
Chandler/Len

Result: Booker and Simmons are the 1-2 punch of the future. Meanwhile Chandler and PJ keep the ship tight and provide direction.

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Somewhat reasonable:

- We trade #4 + Knight to Philly for Okafor

- We take Skal/Chriss or even Bender/Brown @ #13 (whoever drops, one of those guys could in theory)

- We use #28 or package #28 + #32 to move up and secure Sabonis or Thon (Both guys seem to have great attitudes)

- We sign a few "misfit" free agents to inflated 2-3 year deals with team options after year 1. If the free agent pans out and finally lives up to their potential, we keep them. If the free agent busts, we let them walk after a year and get our cap room. If the free agent really is a pain, we waive them mid year and don't loose too much sleep over it. Possible potential guys include Brandon Jennings, DMO, and T Jones. Possible vet placeholders with high character include Jeremy Lin and Mirza.

- Bring over BB

Lineup

Bledsoe/FA (FA keeps the pressure on Bledsoe and is also injury insurance)
Booker/BB/Archie (Archie and BB fight it out for the backup spot)
TJ/PJ
Okafor/#13/#28
Chandler/Len

Result: Booker and Okafor are the 1-2 inside/outside punch of the future. We also have enough vets to potentially compete for a playoff spot and we still have at least 8 guys on rookie contracts giving us hope for the future.

Damkac · Post #12 » by **Damkac** » Sat Jun 4, 2016 8:52 pm

Draft Bender at 4, Luwawu at 13, Qi or Maker at 27.
Sign some under the radar PF on bargain deal to start until Bender is ready.
Pray that Bled and Knight will be healthy and playing good at start of the season and trade one of them or even both before the deadline.

If Bender is gone then go Murray and Sabonis, hurry with trading one of the guards.

saintEscaton · Post #13 » by **saintEscaton** » Sat Jun 4, 2016 9:00 pm

Fire everybody

darealjuice · Post #14 » by **darealjuice** » Sat Jun 4, 2016 9:04 pm

saintEscaton wrote:Fire everybody

I guess anything is realistic in the dream world you live in

saintEscaton · Post #15 » by **saintEscaton** » Sat Jun 4, 2016 9:19 pm

darealjuice wrote:
saintEscaton wrote:Fire everybody

I guess anything is realistic in the dream world you live in

Touche

WeekapaugGroove · Post #16 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Sat Jun 4, 2016 10:17 pm

Sarver sells the team is my ideal scenario.

I'd like to see bender drop to 4 and brown somehow drop to 13.

Pick up a placeholder cheap pf and just roll that team into camp. Be patient and hope knight, Bledsoe, and chandler start out the year well and rehab their trade values and then add another young piece and have another high pick next year. At that point they might have a young core in place and then maybe start taking a win now approach.

I highly doubt they will go this route and fear more impatient moves

Post #17 » by **rsavaj** » Sat Jun 4, 2016 10:46 pm

Gorilla Warfare wrote:Draft Bender with #4, Labissiere/Johnson with #13, and Maker at #28. Get rid of Knight and Chandler, and pick up Al Horford.

I feel like if you're gonna pick up Horford, you'd wanna keep Knight and Chandler in a win now push

Post #18 » by **Cactus Jack** » Sat Jun 4, 2016 11:15 pm

saintEscaton wrote:Fire everybody

Better yet, Sarver sells. :wink:

Spoiler:

Post #19 » by **rsavaj** » Sat Jun 4, 2016 11:30 pm

On draft night:
Assuming Boston takes Bender,

Draft Dunn at 4
Trade Knight/28 for Noel
Draft Ellenson at 13
Draft Maker at 34 and send him to the D-League; if he's not available, draft Payton Jr.

FA
Try and fail to sign Al Horford
Sign Jared Dudley
Re-sign Jon Leuer for sure, Teletovic if it's at a reasonable deal
Let Ronnie Price hang around if he comes back on the min

You do end up with a weird logjam of bigs this way with Ellenson, Leuer, Chandler, Len, Noel, Maker or maybe even a weird logjam of guards with Bledsoe, Booker, Dunn, Archie, Price, Payton, but it's gonna be a pretty crappy roster next year now matter how you slice it.

Certainly not ideal but plenty realistic IMO

jcsunsfan · Post #20 » by **jcsunsfan** » Sun Jun 5, 2016 12:37 am

rsavaj wrote:On draft night:
Assuming Boston takes Bender,

Draft Dunn at 4
Trade Knight/28 for Noel
Draft Ellenson at 13
Draft Maker at 34 and send him to the D-League; if he's not available, draft Payton Jr.

FA
Try and fail to sign Al Horford
Sign Jared Dudley
Re-sign Jon Leuer for sure, Teletovic if it's at a reasonable deal
Let Ronnie Price hang around if he comes back on the min

You do end up with a weird logjam of bigs this way with Ellenson, Leuer, Chandler, Len, Noel, Maker or maybe even a weird logjam of guards with Bledsoe, Booker, Dunn, Archie, Price, Payton, but it's gonna be a pretty crappy roster next year now matter how you slice it.

Certainly not ideal but plenty realistic IMO

NOt interested in Dunn, not interested in Ellenson, not interested in Maker. I would be throwing up at the end of the day.