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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#2481 » by JonFromVA » Fri Aug 20, 2021 1:38 am

LivingLegend wrote:
Revenged25 wrote:
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His defense will help but the Cavs were also the lowest scoring team in the league last year. They need something out of him on that end. I dont think its out of the question to expect 15PPG out of the #3 pick in the draft. A bunch of 8/4/5 statlines with solid defense wont move the needle very much, if at all.


I was putting 12 on the low end of what I expect. 15 ppg is definitely likely. I also think he'll definitely improve the offense a lot with his passing.


True, I just hope that the Cavs actually feature him and not just have him a garbage man for whatsever there like they did Allen last season. It will be awfully annoying to watch Sexland dribble around in circles all day looking to get their shots while Mobley/Allen just stand around waiting for a dump off or rebound.


Hopefully our new assistant coach was hired with the goal of bringing some new ideas to our offense.
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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#2482 » by Stillwater » Fri Aug 20, 2021 5:59 pm

JonFromVA wrote:
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Please remind me the next time you actually get something right.

It sure wasn't this one ...

"I see an eraser in the future as I think Green or Cade are the ones that fall to 3 not Mobley."

lol I can't help it if Houston and Detroit are more interested in guards than generational pf's and regret their decisions later.
Mobley should have gone 2nd at least.
what is all this about being right anyway? I am always the sceptic and it seems I was right already when I said Sexton was never getting traded...and tbh I think you are the one believing everything thrown at the wall and take things way to fkn personal for my taste on an anonymous internet forum where there is no place for it.
My take on the Sexton thing is simple...he deserves a max based on futures , probably won't get offered it based on mismanagement, plays for RFA and leaves. This org sucks


That's the thing, you can help it. For one thing you can stop rejecting every report or opinion that disagrees with your own opinion. What you would do is irrelevant to what the Pistons, Rockets, or Cavs will do.
.

So I can be like you ? the one who claims he believes every article on the internet regarding the Cavs until proven false? lol
I mean in the end you can believe everything you read or nothing you read and the end result is really about the same so it does not much matter...There has to be a gray area and that area is very vague regarding anything to do with what Altman is actually doing.
I've spent way too much time wanting to believe the information that is considered reporting but it so often turns out to be just some unqualified uninformed self proclaimed reporter that is nothing more than a super fan like Evan Dammarell trying to speak things into existence.
So therefore I am on the side that says most non org sources reports are just speculations and opinions no more verified or credible than your anonymous opinion on these forums..but yet somehow you have yourself convinced you are right lol gtfo with that shh
it aint about right or wrong it's about fact or fiction and there is exactly zero proof Sexton was even shopped despite the guessing by many that he would be right after Jalen Green was a legitimate draft option
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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#2483 » by toooskies » Fri Aug 20, 2021 6:35 pm

Stillwater wrote:
JonFromVA wrote:
Stillwater wrote:lol I can't help it if Houston and Detroit are more interested in guards than generational pf's and regret their decisions later.
Mobley should have gone 2nd at least.
what is all this about being right anyway? I am always the sceptic and it seems I was right already when I said Sexton was never getting traded...and tbh I think you are the one believing everything thrown at the wall and take things way to fkn personal for my taste on an anonymous internet forum where there is no place for it.
My take on the Sexton thing is simple...he deserves a max based on futures , probably won't get offered it based on mismanagement, plays for RFA and leaves. This org sucks


That's the thing, you can help it. For one thing you can stop rejecting every report or opinion that disagrees with your own opinion. What you would do is irrelevant to what the Pistons, Rockets, or Cavs will do.
.

So I can be like you ? the one who claims he believes every article on the internet regarding the Cavs until proven false? lol
I mean in the end you can believe everything you read or nothing you read and the end result is really about the same so it does not much matter...There has to be a gray area and that area is very vague regarding anything to do with what Altman is actually doing.
I've spent way too much time wanting to believe the information that is considered reporting but it so often turns out to be just some unqualified uninformed self proclaimed reporter that is nothing more than a super fan like Evan Dammarell trying to speak things into existence.
So therefore I am on the side that says most non org sources reports are just speculations and opinions no more verified or credible than your anonymous opinion on these forums..but yet somehow you have yourself convinced you are right lol gtfo with that shh
it aint about right or wrong it's about fact or fiction and there is exactly zero proof Sexton was even shopped despite the guessing by many that he would be right after Jalen Green was a legitimate draft option


Cleveland at a minimum should have had some kind of contingency plan if they're sitting at #3 and Cunningham/Mobley go 1-2. And it's worth evaluating all the options, whether it's just taking Green (or Suggs) and making it work, taking Green (or Suggs) and trading a guard, taking Barnes or Kuminga, trading down, etc. But figuring out whether you can trade guys involves talking to other teams about trading them.

I'm surprised there was less chatter/speculation about moving Garland since he'd probably fetch more value, particularly once the Cavs went and got Rubio, but moving Sexton was always the straightforward option to being a normally-shaped team if they had ended up with Green in the lead-up to the draft.
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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#2484 » by Stillwater » Fri Aug 20, 2021 7:15 pm

toooskies wrote:
Stillwater wrote:
JonFromVA wrote:
That's the thing, you can help it. For one thing you can stop rejecting every report or opinion that disagrees with your own opinion. What you would do is irrelevant to what the Pistons, Rockets, or Cavs will do.
.

So I can be like you ? the one who claims he believes every article on the internet regarding the Cavs until proven false? lol
I mean in the end you can believe everything you read or nothing you read and the end result is really about the same so it does not much matter...There has to be a gray area and that area is very vague regarding anything to do with what Altman is actually doing.
I've spent way too much time wanting to believe the information that is considered reporting but it so often turns out to be just some unqualified uninformed self proclaimed reporter that is nothing more than a super fan like Evan Dammarell trying to speak things into existence.
So therefore I am on the side that says most non org sources reports are just speculations and opinions no more verified or credible than your anonymous opinion on these forums..but yet somehow you have yourself convinced you are right lol gtfo with that shh
it aint about right or wrong it's about fact or fiction and there is exactly zero proof Sexton was even shopped despite the guessing by many that he would be right after Jalen Green was a legitimate draft option


Cleveland at a minimum should have had some kind of contingency plan if they're sitting at #3 and Cunningham/Mobley go 1-2. And it's worth evaluating all the options, whether it's just taking Green (or Suggs) and making it work, taking Green (or Suggs) and trading a guard, taking Barnes or Kuminga, trading down, etc. But figuring out whether you can trade guys involves talking to other teams about trading them.

I'm surprised there was less chatter/speculation about moving Garland since he'd probably fetch more value, particularly once the Cavs went and got Rubio, but moving Sexton was always the straightforward option to being a normally-shaped team if they had ended up with Green in the lead-up to the draft.

Sure those are legit reasons why teams would be calling the Cavs...if they thought they were taking Green and just wanted to dump Sexton and not reasons why they would be "shopping" him. I believe they never were drafting Green at 3 and we will never know so its moot now. But because if they had the odds are it would have been for another team like GSW or ORL where the Cavs could move down and pick up a second lottery pick or they could then move one of the guards later on after seeing who established themselves as the best options to keep. Which before the season would have been premature to assume as justification to move the only one that has proven anything.
But its all speculative and noone knows for sure what interest CLE actually had in moving Sexton only that he was drawing interest from teams trying to steal value from the Cavs and they may have been in a position to part with him but ultimately with Mobley falling into their lap the decision became easier obviously and Garland was less likely to be moved as well.
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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#2485 » by JonFromVA » Fri Aug 20, 2021 8:11 pm

Stillwater wrote:
JonFromVA wrote:
Stillwater wrote:lol I can't help it if Houston and Detroit are more interested in guards than generational pf's and regret their decisions later.
Mobley should have gone 2nd at least.
what is all this about being right anyway? I am always the sceptic and it seems I was right already when I said Sexton was never getting traded...and tbh I think you are the one believing everything thrown at the wall and take things way to fkn personal for my taste on an anonymous internet forum where there is no place for it.
My take on the Sexton thing is simple...he deserves a max based on futures , probably won't get offered it based on mismanagement, plays for RFA and leaves. This org sucks


That's the thing, you can help it. For one thing you can stop rejecting every report or opinion that disagrees with your own opinion. What you would do is irrelevant to what the Pistons, Rockets, or Cavs will do.
.

So I can be like you ? the one who claims he believes every article on the internet regarding the Cavs until proven false? lol
I mean in the end you can believe everything you read or nothing you read and the end result is really about the same so it does not much matter...There has to be a gray area and that area is very vague regarding anything to do with what Altman is actually doing.
I've spent way too much time wanting to believe the information that is considered reporting but it so often turns out to be just some unqualified uninformed self proclaimed reporter that is nothing more than a super fan like Evan Dammarell trying to speak things into existence.
So therefore I am on the side that says most non org sources reports are just speculations and opinions no more verified or credible than your anonymous opinion on these forums..but yet somehow you have yourself convinced you are right lol gtfo with that shh
it aint about right or wrong it's about fact or fiction and there is exactly zero proof Sexton was even shopped despite the guessing by many that he would be right after Jalen Green was a legitimate draft option


I thought you deplored Trump, but you do the exact same things he does.

You make up lies and fictions about people you disagree with and do just about anything to avoid having to deal with facts & reality.

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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#2486 » by toooskies » Fri Aug 20, 2021 8:19 pm

Stillwater wrote:
toooskies wrote:
Stillwater wrote:So I can be like you ? the one who claims he believes every article on the internet regarding the Cavs until proven false? lol
I mean in the end you can believe everything you read or nothing you read and the end result is really about the same so it does not much matter...There has to be a gray area and that area is very vague regarding anything to do with what Altman is actually doing.
I've spent way too much time wanting to believe the information that is considered reporting but it so often turns out to be just some unqualified uninformed self proclaimed reporter that is nothing more than a super fan like Evan Dammarell trying to speak things into existence.
So therefore I am on the side that says most non org sources reports are just speculations and opinions no more verified or credible than your anonymous opinion on these forums..but yet somehow you have yourself convinced you are right lol gtfo with that shh
it aint about right or wrong it's about fact or fiction and there is exactly zero proof Sexton was even shopped despite the guessing by many that he would be right after Jalen Green was a legitimate draft option


Cleveland at a minimum should have had some kind of contingency plan if they're sitting at #3 and Cunningham/Mobley go 1-2. And it's worth evaluating all the options, whether it's just taking Green (or Suggs) and making it work, taking Green (or Suggs) and trading a guard, taking Barnes or Kuminga, trading down, etc. But figuring out whether you can trade guys involves talking to other teams about trading them.

I'm surprised there was less chatter/speculation about moving Garland since he'd probably fetch more value, particularly once the Cavs went and got Rubio, but moving Sexton was always the straightforward option to being a normally-shaped team if they had ended up with Green in the lead-up to the draft.

Sure those are legit reasons why teams would be calling the Cavs...if they thought they were taking Green and just wanted to dump Sexton and not reasons why they would be "shopping" him. I believe they never were drafting Green at 3 and we will never know so its moot now. But because if they had the odds are it would have been for another team like GSW or ORL where the Cavs could move down and pick up a second lottery pick or they could then move one of the guards later on after seeing who established themselves as the best options to keep. Which before the season would have been premature to assume as justification to move the only one that has proven anything.
But its all speculative and noone knows for sure what interest CLE actually had in moving Sexton only that he was drawing interest from teams trying to steal value from the Cavs and they may have been in a position to part with him but ultimately with Mobley falling into their lap the decision became easier obviously and Garland was less likely to be moved as well.

No, they're reasons why the Cavs would call other teams and do a value check for Sexton. That makes him "available" if the rumors came from other organizations. They're reasons why you'd at least talk to your internal analytics team about what range of salaries you can take back without Sexton's future contract on the books.

There's another (very unverified) report in the Simmons thread in T&T that the Cavs actually offered Sexton, Nance, Prince, and their 2022 lightly protected 1st for Simmons. Not sure how I feel about that other than hoping that someone on the team learns how to shoot.
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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#2487 » by JonFromVA » Fri Aug 20, 2021 8:40 pm

toooskies wrote:
Stillwater wrote:
JonFromVA wrote:
That's the thing, you can help it. For one thing you can stop rejecting every report or opinion that disagrees with your own opinion. What you would do is irrelevant to what the Pistons, Rockets, or Cavs will do.
.

So I can be like you ? the one who claims he believes every article on the internet regarding the Cavs until proven false? lol
I mean in the end you can believe everything you read or nothing you read and the end result is really about the same so it does not much matter...There has to be a gray area and that area is very vague regarding anything to do with what Altman is actually doing.
I've spent way too much time wanting to believe the information that is considered reporting but it so often turns out to be just some unqualified uninformed self proclaimed reporter that is nothing more than a super fan like Evan Dammarell trying to speak things into existence.
So therefore I am on the side that says most non org sources reports are just speculations and opinions no more verified or credible than your anonymous opinion on these forums..but yet somehow you have yourself convinced you are right lol gtfo with that shh
it aint about right or wrong it's about fact or fiction and there is exactly zero proof Sexton was even shopped despite the guessing by many that he would be right after Jalen Green was a legitimate draft option


Cleveland at a minimum should have had some kind of contingency plan if they're sitting at #3 and Cunningham/Mobley go 1-2. And it's worth evaluating all the options, whether it's just taking Green (or Suggs) and making it work, taking Green (or Suggs) and trading a guard, taking Barnes or Kuminga, trading down, etc. But figuring out whether you can trade guys involves talking to other teams about trading them.

I'm surprised there was less chatter/speculation about moving Garland since he'd probably fetch more value, particularly once the Cavs went and got Rubio, but moving Sexton was always the straightforward option to being a normally-shaped team if they had ended up with Green in the lead-up to the draft.


Fact is the Cavs never liked the fit with Sexton and after two seasons paired with Garland and having to consider whether to extend him - it's still at best a question mark whether they can start together on a winning team; others wouldn't be so generous.

Rubio isn't signed long-term. At best he lets them experiment before having to consider whether to commit big bucks to Garland, and maybe gives them a fall back plan if they decide to not match a RFA offer to Sexton.

Consider, the Cavs biggest problem with losing a free-agent is they can't just replace that player with another free-agent, so agents abuse us and we tend to overpay to hold on to our own. But we will have some degree of Bird rights for Rubio and a chance to sell him on the city and organization. So, if a number of things go side-ways, he might just be a backup plan.
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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#2488 » by Revenged25 » Fri Aug 20, 2021 8:42 pm

toooskies wrote:
Stillwater wrote:
toooskies wrote:
Cleveland at a minimum should have had some kind of contingency plan if they're sitting at #3 and Cunningham/Mobley go 1-2. And it's worth evaluating all the options, whether it's just taking Green (or Suggs) and making it work, taking Green (or Suggs) and trading a guard, taking Barnes or Kuminga, trading down, etc. But figuring out whether you can trade guys involves talking to other teams about trading them.

I'm surprised there was less chatter/speculation about moving Garland since he'd probably fetch more value, particularly once the Cavs went and got Rubio, but moving Sexton was always the straightforward option to being a normally-shaped team if they had ended up with Green in the lead-up to the draft.

Sure those are legit reasons why teams would be calling the Cavs...if they thought they were taking Green and just wanted to dump Sexton and not reasons why they would be "shopping" him. I believe they never were drafting Green at 3 and we will never know so its moot now. But because if they had the odds are it would have been for another team like GSW or ORL where the Cavs could move down and pick up a second lottery pick or they could then move one of the guards later on after seeing who established themselves as the best options to keep. Which before the season would have been premature to assume as justification to move the only one that has proven anything.
But its all speculative and noone knows for sure what interest CLE actually had in moving Sexton only that he was drawing interest from teams trying to steal value from the Cavs and they may have been in a position to part with him but ultimately with Mobley falling into their lap the decision became easier obviously and Garland was less likely to be moved as well.

No, they're reasons why the Cavs would call other teams and do a value check for Sexton. That makes him "available" if the rumors came from other organizations. They're reasons why you'd at least talk to your internal analytics team about what range of salaries you can take back without Sexton's future contract on the books.

There's another (very unverified) report in the Simmons thread in T&T that the Cavs actually offered Sexton, Nance, Prince, and their 2022 lightly protected 1st for Simmons. Not sure how I feel about that other than hoping that someone on the team learns how to shoot.


That would've been one hell of a defensive team at least in the 2-4 spots.
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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#2489 » by JonFromVA » Fri Aug 20, 2021 9:02 pm

toooskies wrote:
Stillwater wrote:
toooskies wrote:
Cleveland at a minimum should have had some kind of contingency plan if they're sitting at #3 and Cunningham/Mobley go 1-2. And it's worth evaluating all the options, whether it's just taking Green (or Suggs) and making it work, taking Green (or Suggs) and trading a guard, taking Barnes or Kuminga, trading down, etc. But figuring out whether you can trade guys involves talking to other teams about trading them.

I'm surprised there was less chatter/speculation about moving Garland since he'd probably fetch more value, particularly once the Cavs went and got Rubio, but moving Sexton was always the straightforward option to being a normally-shaped team if they had ended up with Green in the lead-up to the draft.

Sure those are legit reasons why teams would be calling the Cavs...if they thought they were taking Green and just wanted to dump Sexton and not reasons why they would be "shopping" him. I believe they never were drafting Green at 3 and we will never know so its moot now. But because if they had the odds are it would have been for another team like GSW or ORL where the Cavs could move down and pick up a second lottery pick or they could then move one of the guards later on after seeing who established themselves as the best options to keep. Which before the season would have been premature to assume as justification to move the only one that has proven anything.
But its all speculative and noone knows for sure what interest CLE actually had in moving Sexton only that he was drawing interest from teams trying to steal value from the Cavs and they may have been in a position to part with him but ultimately with Mobley falling into their lap the decision became easier obviously and Garland was less likely to be moved as well.

No, they're reasons why the Cavs would call other teams and do a value check for Sexton. That makes him "available" if the rumors came from other organizations. They're reasons why you'd at least talk to your internal analytics team about what range of salaries you can take back without Sexton's future contract on the books.

There's another (very unverified) report in the Simmons thread in T&T that the Cavs actually offered Sexton, Nance, Prince, and their 2022 lightly protected 1st for Simmons. Not sure how I feel about that other than hoping that someone on the team learns how to shoot.


Collin also wants to prove he's worth a max contract, and getting traded to a team that will max him out is a good way to get that done.
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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#2490 » by jbk1234 » Fri Aug 20, 2021 9:09 pm

Okay, please only post trade ideas in this thread. I took a break for awhile because I felt that I was perhaps contributing to the toxicity. But I see it continued in my absence.

Try to contain the Sexton v. Garland debate to the offseason forum. And, as always, if you can't post without insulting one another, there's an ignore function and/or the option of not posting.

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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#2491 » by Stillwater » Fri Aug 20, 2021 9:12 pm

JonFromVA wrote:
Stillwater wrote:
JonFromVA wrote:
That's the thing, you can help it. For one thing you can stop rejecting every report or opinion that disagrees with your own opinion. What you would do is irrelevant to what the Pistons, Rockets, or Cavs will do.
.

So I can be like you ? the one who claims he believes every article on the internet regarding the Cavs until proven false? lol
I mean in the end you can believe everything you read or nothing you read and the end result is really about the same so it does not much matter...There has to be a gray area and that area is very vague regarding anything to do with what Altman is actually doing.
I've spent way too much time wanting to believe the information that is considered reporting but it so often turns out to be just some unqualified uninformed self proclaimed reporter that is nothing more than a super fan like Evan Dammarell trying to speak things into existence.
So therefore I am on the side that says most non org sources reports are just speculations and opinions no more verified or credible than your anonymous opinion on these forums..but yet somehow you have yourself convinced you are right lol gtfo with that shh
it aint about right or wrong it's about fact or fiction and there is exactly zero proof Sexton was even shopped despite the guessing by many that he would be right after Jalen Green was a legitimate draft option


I thought you deplored Trump, but you do the exact same things he does.

You make up lies and fictions about people you disagree with and do just about anything to avoid having to deal with facts & reality.

Again, get back to me when you get something right.

Holy FKN SHT now you do make it personal... don't ever compare me to that low life liar. I dont make things up you POS I see what is being "reported" as BS when it is clearly not verified... there is a massive difference between calling all news fake and actually being able to tell what is opinion vs fact. Your permanently on ignore now for that and I just about cannot believe you stooped to that level. eat a D
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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#2492 » by Stillwater » Fri Aug 20, 2021 9:12 pm

jbk1234 wrote:Okay, please only post trade ideas in this thread. I took a break for awhile because I felt that I was perhaps contributing to the toxicity. But I see it continued in my absence.

Try to contain the Sexton v. Garland debate to the offseason forum. And, as always, if you can't post without insulting one another, there's an ignore function and/or the option of not posting.

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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#2493 » by Stillwater » Fri Aug 20, 2021 9:17 pm

JonFromVA wrote:
Stillwater wrote:
JonFromVA wrote:
That's the thing, you can help it. For one thing you can stop rejecting every report or opinion that disagrees with your own opinion. What you would do is irrelevant to what the Pistons, Rockets, or Cavs will do.
.

So I can be like you ? the one who claims he believes every article on the internet regarding the Cavs until proven false? lol
I mean in the end you can believe everything you read or nothing you read and the end result is really about the same so it does not much matter...There has to be a gray area and that area is very vague regarding anything to do with what Altman is actually doing.
I've spent way too much time wanting to believe the information that is considered reporting but it so often turns out to be just some unqualified uninformed self proclaimed reporter that is nothing more than a super fan like Evan Dammarell trying to speak things into existence.
So therefore I am on the side that says most non org sources reports are just speculations and opinions no more verified or credible than your anonymous opinion on these forums..but yet somehow you have yourself convinced you are right lol gtfo with that shh
it aint about right or wrong it's about fact or fiction and there is exactly zero proof Sexton was even shopped despite the guessing by many that he would be right after Jalen Green was a legitimate draft option


I thought you deplored Trump, but you do the exact same things he does.

You make up lies and fictions about people you disagree with and do just about anything to avoid having to deal with facts & reality.

Again, get back to me when you get something right.


fk u u racist pos eat a bowl of dicks
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Re: Trade Ideas (Part III) 

Post#2494 » by JonFromVA » Sat Aug 21, 2021 1:54 am

Stillwater to show me up or even begin to insult me you'd have to connect to reality and spill facts. You don't deal in facts ... no different then the Donald.

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