Cousins to Suns simple Suns/Kings

NBA Fiend · Post #1 » by **NBA Fiend** » Wed Nov 16, 2016 2:21 am

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zrt6of4 Suns 2017 unprotected and Heat 2019 unprotected.

Why for the Suns? Regardless of the negativity surrounding Cousins he still is considered a superstar and puts up solid numbers. This is my key point here, IF McD is feeling pressure from Sarver he may go barnyard commando after Cousins. IF Sarver has given him a window he may not be inclined to make the trade. But getting Cousins would help the Suns attract major free agents like perhaps Blake Griffin.

Why for the Kings? Warren locked into rookie contract, Contol over restricted Len, Knight on very friendly contract and the 2 picks looking to have good value.

NBA Fiend · Post #2 » by **NBA Fiend** » Wed Nov 16, 2016 6:38 am

What does Boston do to beat this?

Post #3 » by **City of Trees** » Wed Nov 16, 2016 6:42 am

Len has been a disappointment so far and Knight sucks. Warren is alright but as you can see the value gap here is far too great. Suns would need to include Booker in any Cousins trade.

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Post #4 » by **Mamba4Goat** » Wed Nov 16, 2016 6:52 am

How do the Suns trade for Cousins and keep Bender, Chriss and Booker?

Post #5 » by **loserX** » Wed Nov 16, 2016 7:27 am

Mamba4Goat wrote:How do the Suns trade for Cousins and keep Bender, Chriss and Booker?

Would they need to? I don't see why they'd need both Bender and Chriss, and the Kings have already passed on Chriss once for lesser pieces anyway. Bender would make an interesting part of the puzzle, IMHO, depending on what Vlade thinks of him.

OnceUponADime · Post #6 » by **OnceUponADime** » Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:17 am

City of Trees wrote:Len has been a disappointment so far and Knight sucks. Warren is alright but as you can see the value gap here is far too great. Suns would need to include Booker in any Cousins trade.

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Disappointment for who? Len has averaged 10 pts points and 10 rebounds per game on 53 percent shooting in games that he's started this season. That's pretty damn good.

And hell no to including Booker, the whole point of acquiring Cousins is to pair him with Booker and try and build something. If the Suns traded everything they have for Cousins then won't Cousins be in the exact same situation in Phoenix that he is in Sacramento ala being the only player that doesn't suck miserably?

No team is gonna trade everything they have for Cousins to be left with just Cousins and a bunch of scrubs replicating the Sacramento Kings of the last 5 years.

I can see Phoenix maybe adding a guy like PJ Tucker but that's about it. Maybe one of the Miami picks too and/or their own lotto protected pick.

TJ Warren is a better prospect/player than any prospect/player the Kings will get offered.

Bledsoe/Ullis
Booker/Barbosa
Bender/Dudley
Cousins/Chriss
Chandler/Williams

dalton749 · Post #7 » by **dalton749** » Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:28 am

Warren/bender/knight/2017 top 5 protected 1st is probably about fair, leaving Bledsoe, Chriss, Miami pick to go after wall or somebody.

Post #8 » by **City of Trees** » Wed Nov 16, 2016 2:39 pm

OnceUponADime wrote:
City of Trees wrote:Len has been a disappointment so far and Knight sucks. Warren is alright but as you can see the value gap here is far too great. Suns would need to include Booker in any Cousins trade.

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Disappointment for who?

Every game thread I've visited on the Suns board.

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Post #9 » by **City of Trees** » Wed Nov 16, 2016 2:40 pm

dalton749 wrote:Warren/bender/knight/2017 top 5 protected 1st is probably about fair, leaving Bledsoe, Chriss, Miami pick to go after wall or somebody.

That's not going to do it, sorry. That package is not fair for the best Center in the game.

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jcsunsfan · Post #10 » by **jcsunsfan** » Wed Nov 16, 2016 3:43 pm

City of Trees wrote:
dalton749 wrote:Warren/bender/knight/2017 top 5 protected 1st is probably about fair, leaving Bledsoe, Chriss, Miami pick to go after wall or somebody.

That's not going to do it, sorry. That package is not fair for the best Center in the game.

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The Suns are trading for KAT, or Embiid? When?

Golabki · Post #11 » by **Golabki** » Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:05 pm

If warren is by far the best asset your giving up... Your not getting a star.

Unprotected first + sacs choice of bender / Chriss feels like the starting point

SideSwipe · Post #12 » by **SideSwipe** » Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:26 pm

I actually think it's the picks that go too far. To the point above, if he truly was the best center in the game, he would not be traded. He has flaws- big ones. He also has big talent, but many are not convinced that his talent outweighs his flaws. I think adding both picks to that package is too much. That's two potential 20PPG scorers, two picks and Len, who is a double-double guy. That's looking like too much to me.

I think Knight, Warren, Len, 1 pick is the highest I would go in that scenario. Otherwise try shopping elsewhere.

thamadkant · Post #13 » by **thamadkant** » Thu Nov 17, 2016 7:26 am

The Heat 2019 pick is gold...

Warren is a 20 point 5 rebound 2 steals player who can score anywhere inside the arc and even around the arc.

The OP proposal is actually overpaying slightly for a 1.5 year contracted Cousins... who cannot help Kings win games anymore... they need to blow it up.

Jkam31 · Post #14 » by **Jkam31** » Thu Nov 17, 2016 3:42 pm

No trade is happening without Chriss or Bender coming to Sacramento. No way no how.

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OGSactownballer · Post #15 » by **OGSactownballer** » Thu Nov 17, 2016 4:40 pm

I'm not even going to try to talk to homer Suns fans here as there is an ad case of beer goggles going on.

Boston can throw down Bradley and/or Crowder with the '17 Brooklyn pick and another young talent and. Eat pretty much any deal out there and STILL have assets.

So yeah, like it or not the conversation starts with Booker and/or Bender/Chris's and UNPROTECTED pick(s).

Stop wasting time on specious arguments about where Cuz rates and attitude. Most of the league would take him in a heartbeat and roll the dice on the talent.

LoyalKing · Post #16 » by **LoyalKing** » Thu Nov 17, 2016 4:46 pm

GL trying to unload Knight's contract.

Mediocre assets and a terrible contract won't get it done for Demarcus. Other teams would beat that offer quite easily.

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #17 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Thu Nov 17, 2016 7:47 pm

OGSactownballer wrote:I'm not even going to try to talk to homer Suns fans here as there is an ad case of beer goggles going on.

Boston can throw down Bradley and/or Crowder with the '17 Brooklyn pick and another young talent and. Eat pretty much any deal out there and STILL have assets.

So yeah, like it or not the conversation starts with Booker and/or Bender/Chris's and UNPROTECTED pick(s).

Stop wasting time on specious arguments about where Cuz rates and attitude. Most of the league would take him in a heartbeat and roll the dice on the talent.

Ummm... pretty sure TJ has more valuable than either Crowder and Bradley... and it doesn't look like that Nets pick is "gold" so much as maybe silver or bronze.

Meanwhile, the Heat have an inferior record to the Nets and their pick is only top-7 protected in 2018, and unprotected in 2019. Don't know what kind of growth their expecting from Richardson, Winslow and Johnson, but it appears to me that the Heat pick is probably as valuable as the Nets pick at this point.

All that said, as a Suns fan, I'm not interested in this deal. Rather just try to snag DMC in FA in a couple years, perhaps by making a move for John Wall instead. Our core players are 23 (Warren), 20 (Booker), 19 (Chriss) and 18 (Bender). So we shouldn't be in a rush. Can you say, Trust the Process?

NBA Fiend · Post #18 » by **NBA Fiend** » Thu Nov 24, 2016 9:40 pm

I could see something along these lines.

Colbinii · Post #19 » by **Colbinii** » Thu Nov 24, 2016 10:07 pm

jcsunsfan wrote:
City of Trees wrote:
dalton749 wrote:Warren/bender/knight/2017 top 5 protected 1st is probably about fair, leaving Bledsoe, Chriss, Miami pick to go after wall or somebody.

That's not going to do it, sorry. That package is not fair for the best Center in the game.

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The Suns are trading for KAT, or Embiid? When?

Neither KAT or Embiid are the best centers in the league.

patman52 · Post #20 » by **patman52** » Thu Nov 24, 2016 10:30 pm

1UPZ wrote:The Heat 2019 pick is gold...

Warren is a 20 point 5 rebound 2 steals player who can score anywhere inside the arc and even around the arc.

The OP proposal is actually overpaying slightly for a 1.5 year contracted Cousins... who cannot help Kings win games anymore... they need to blow it up.

The Miami 19 pick is gold? Why you don't think Riley and South Beach won't be able to get FAs? They likely get a top ten pick this year, a decent FA and they will be a 40 win team in "18 and better the following year.