Toronto/Orlando

[Asif16]

T. Ross + Bebe + LAC 1st round Pick for Ibaka

Ross is shooting lights out this season and would give orlando a big boost in offense their looking for. Bebe has proven to be a great backup C. The raptors do this mainly to free up time for Norman Powell who is become a fan favorite but gets limited min due to depth chart.

I understand OKC asked for a lot in return for Ibaka from the raptors originally. But ibaka is a upcoming FA and has played fairly poorly/average up to date. Low chance of him returning to orlando. Value should be lower.

Lowry/Joseph
Derozan/Powell
Carroll
Ibaka/Patterson
Val/Sullinger

A lot of depth to take a run for the top. Thoughts?

[tiderulz]

Ross + Bebe + LAC 1st round Pick for Ibaka

Ross is shooting lights out this season and would give orlando a big boost in offense their looking for. Bebe has proven to be a great backup C. The raptors do this mainly to free up time for Norman Powell who is become a fan favorite but gets limited min due to depth chart.

I understand OKC asked for a lot in return for Ibaka from the raptors originally. But ibaka is a upcoming FA and has played fairly poorly/average up to date. Low chance of him returning to orlando. Value should be lower.

Ibaka playing great right now. as for "low chance" of returning, not sure where you are getting that from.

The biggest acquisition of the Orlando Magic’s 2016 offseason indicated on Monday that he has no plans to go elsewhere when he becomes an unrestricted free agent in 2017.

“I’m looking to stay here to play forever — for [as] many, many years as possible,” Serge Ibaka said during the Magic’s media day.

[Asif16]

Ross + Bebe + LAC 1st round Pick for Ibaka

Ross is shooting lights out this season and would give orlando a big boost in offense their looking for. Bebe has proven to be a great backup C. The raptors do this mainly to free up time for Norman Powell who is become a fan favorite but gets limited min due to depth chart.

I understand OKC asked for a lot in return for Ibaka from the raptors originally. But ibaka is a upcoming FA and has played fairly poorly/average up to date. Low chance of him returning to orlando. Value should be lower.

Ibaka playing great right now. as for "low chance" of returning, not sure where you are getting that from.

The biggest acquisition of the Orlando Magic’s 2016 offseason indicated on Monday that he has no plans to go elsewhere when he becomes an unrestricted free agent in 2017.

“I’m looking to stay here to play forever — for [as] many, many years as possible,” Serge Ibaka said during the Magic’s media day.

So he's not available at all? I assumed low chance of returning mainly because I would think at his age he would try to sign with a contender.

[Viper1500]

I wouldn't trade Ibaka for anything outside of a top 7 pick. He's been playing great.


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[tiderulz]

Ross + Bebe + LAC 1st round Pick for Ibaka

Ross is shooting lights out this season and would give orlando a big boost in offense their looking for. Bebe has proven to be a great backup C. The raptors do this mainly to free up time for Norman Powell who is become a fan favorite but gets limited min due to depth chart.

I understand OKC asked for a lot in return for Ibaka from the raptors originally. But ibaka is a upcoming FA and has played fairly poorly/average up to date. Low chance of him returning to orlando. Value should be lower.

Ibaka playing great right now. as for "low chance" of returning, not sure where you are getting that from.

The biggest acquisition of the Orlando Magic’s 2016 offseason indicated on Monday that he has no plans to go elsewhere when he becomes an unrestricted free agent in 2017.

“I’m looking to stay here to play forever — for [as] many, many years as possible,” Serge Ibaka said during the Magic’s media day.

So he's not available at all? I assumed low chance of returning mainly because I would think at his age he would try to sign with a contender.

word out of Orlando, Ibaka giving them everything they are asking for and more. Vuc will be traded before Ibaka. Ask Smitty, he talks with the media around the team, he would know more. But i dont see Orlando moving Ibaka

[RightToCensor]

I'd do that if I were Orlando.

[RightToCensor]

I wouldn't trade Ibaka for anything outside of a top 7 pick. He's been playing great.


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Then expect zero teams to be calling and for Ibaka to explore other teams in the summer.

[Asif16]

I wouldn't trade Ibaka for anything outside of a top 7 pick. He's been playing great.


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Unfortunate. He's an ideal fit for the raptors

[Asif16]

Ibaka playing great right now. as for "low chance" of returning, not sure where you are getting that from.

So he's not available at all? I assumed low chance of returning mainly because I would think at his age he would try to sign with a contender.

word out of Orlando, Ibaka giving them everything they are asking for and more. Vuc will be traded before Ibaka. Ask Smitty, he talks with the media around the team, he would know more. But i dont see Orlando moving Ibaka

I feel like every player says something like how he doesnt want to go anywhere. I still believe if a contender comes calling july 1st, he's gonna be weighing his options heavy.

Trading Vuv and potentially losing ibaka while getting nothing in return would be a huge risk imo. But obviously you know your team better than me, so ill have to go with what you say

[Colbinii]

Ibaka seems like a great player in Vogels system. I feel like Orlando does everything they can to keep him, even if it means they "overpay" for him.

[Asif16]

Ibaka seems like a great player in Vogels system. I feel like Orlando does everything they can to keep him, even if it means they "overpay" for him.

He'd be an ideal fit in the raptors system too.

If the raptors dont get him at the trade deadline, I guarantee you the raps will be one of the teams by his door July 1st. He's a perfect fit for the team. His agent might make him realize the raptors are a true PF away from doing something big

[Colbinii]

Ibaka seems like a great player in Vogels system. I feel like Orlando does everything they can to keep him, even if it means they "overpay" for him.

He'd be an ideal fit in the raptors system too.

If the raptors dont get him at the trade deadline, I guarantee you the raps will be one of the teams by his door July 1st. He's a perfect fit for the team. His agent might make him realize the raptors are a true PF away from doing something big

I disagree that Toronto is a PF away from being a contender.
Patrick Patterson is very easily a top 15 PF in the league. Ibaka is not a big upgrade, will cost more, and outside of this season has had questions about a decline for the past few years.

Second, Toronto can't afford to pay Ibaka 20+ per season.

[Bentley1225]

Orlando gave up a solid package for Ibaka. I can't see them turning around and selling for that package from the Raptors. With Sullinger due to come back soon, I think the Raps will stand pat given how well Siakam has played and Patterson is in a contract year.

[Rapcity_11]

Ibaka seems like a great player in Vogels system. I feel like Orlando does everything they can to keep him, even if it means they "overpay" for him.

He'd be an ideal fit in the raptors system too.

If the raptors dont get him at the trade deadline, I guarantee you the raps will be one of the teams by his door July 1st. He's a perfect fit for the team. His agent might make him realize the raptors are a true PF away from doing something big

I disagree that Toronto is a PF away from being a contender.
Patrick Patterson is very easily a top 15 PF in the league. Ibaka is not a big upgrade, will cost more, and outside of this season has had questions about a decline for the past few years.

Second, Toronto can't afford to pay Ibaka 20+ per season.

The upgrade would be not having to play Siakam at all. And for Ibaka to play C next to Patterson a decent amount. That's a pretty sizable upgrade.

They could definitely afford to pay Ibaka.

[OrlandoDream]

Ross + Bebe + LAC 1st round Pick for Ibaka

Ross is shooting lights out this season and would give orlando a big boost in offense their looking for. Bebe has proven to be a great backup C. The raptors do this mainly to free up time for Norman Powell who is become a fan favorite but gets limited min due to depth chart.

I understand OKC asked for a lot in return for Ibaka from the raptors originally. But ibaka is a upcoming FA and has played fairly poorly/average up to date. Low chance of him returning to orlando. Value should be lower.

Ibaka playing great right now. as for "low chance" of returning, not sure where you are getting that from.

The biggest acquisition of the Orlando Magic’s 2016 offseason indicated on Monday that he has no plans to go elsewhere when he becomes an unrestricted free agent in 2017.

“I’m looking to stay here to play forever — for [as] many, many years as possible,” Serge Ibaka said during the Magic’s media day.

Beat me to it. The OP has not watched Ibaka play this season to make a comment like that. Ibaka has been our best player so far this season. Organization loves him and has every intention to sign him long term.

I know everyone in TOR would love to pair him up with JV, but as someone who has watched every game he has played in an Orlando uniform, Ibaka is not on the table for trade. Opposite actually. Team wants to keep him long term.

Ross would be a good addition but that is too much value for him. I don't see us making a trade with TOR. Orlando is not willing to trade Ibaka unless some a,axing offer we can't turn down appears.

[Asif16]

Ibaka seems like a great player in Vogels system. I feel like Orlando does everything they can to keep him, even if it means they "overpay" for him.

He'd be an ideal fit in the raptors system too.

If the raptors dont get him at the trade deadline, I guarantee you the raps will be one of the teams by his door July 1st. He's a perfect fit for the team. His agent might make him realize the raptors are a true PF away from doing something big

I disagree that Toronto is a PF away from being a contender.
Patrick Patterson is very easily a top 15 PF in the league. Ibaka is not a big upgrade, will cost more, and outside of this season has had questions about a decline for the past few years.

Second, Toronto can't afford to pay Ibaka 20+ per season.

I disagree with everything you said. We are already a contender as it is. Toronto is def a PF/C away from being a LEGIT contender who can challenge the cavs. Ibaka is ideal as he can defend, rebound, block shots and mainly space the floor with his shooting. Ideal besides Val too.

Patterson is great but his role is purely off the bench. Thats how casey likes it. A Ibaka/Patterson combo >>>>>>> Siakam/Patterson

In other words, Ibaka would be a huge upgrade. The potential "decline" is something we cant worry about considering we are a team trying to go for it. He's been playing really good with Orlando apparently, so the decline clearly isnt happening this year.

And yes, we can def afford ibaka. Dont know where you got that from

[Asif16]

Orlando gave up a solid package for Ibaka. I can't see them turning around and selling for that package from the Raptors. With Sullinger due to come back soon, I think the Raps will stand pat given how well Siakam has played and Patterson is in a contract year.

I dont understand why the package they gave up is a factor here. Ibaka might potentially LEAVE this offseason, so it's better they swallow their pride and try to get something in return if thats truly the case.

In this trade scenario, Sullinger would still be a big part of the rotation. So if he comes back, he wont need to worry about playing time. The back up C positon is a huge position for us given Valanciunas's inconsistency. Siakam has played well in spurts but not good enough to be a starting PF for a team with Finals aspirations.

Yes Patterson is in a contract year, but any raptor fan would tell you Patterson resigning is pretty much sure thing as it can get.

[Asif16]

Ross + Bebe + LAC 1st round Pick for Ibaka

Ross is shooting lights out this season and would give orlando a big boost in offense their looking for. Bebe has proven to be a great backup C. The raptors do this mainly to free up time for Norman Powell who is become a fan favorite but gets limited min due to depth chart.

I understand OKC asked for a lot in return for Ibaka from the raptors originally. But ibaka is a upcoming FA and has played fairly poorly/average up to date. Low chance of him returning to orlando. Value should be lower.

Ibaka playing great right now. as for "low chance" of returning, not sure where you are getting that from.

The biggest acquisition of the Orlando Magic’s 2016 offseason indicated on Monday that he has no plans to go elsewhere when he becomes an unrestricted free agent in 2017.

“I’m looking to stay here to play forever — for [as] many, many years as possible,” Serge Ibaka said during the Magic’s media day.

Beat me to it. The OP has not watched Ibaka play this season to make a comment like that. Ibaka has been our best player so far this season. Organization loves him and has every intention to sign him long term.

I know everyone in TOR would love to pair him up with JV, but as someone who has watched every game he has played in an Orlando uniform, Ibaka is not on the table for trade. Opposite actually. Team wants to keep him long term.

Ross would be a good addition but that is too much value for him. I don't see us making a trade with TOR. Orlando is not willing to trade Ibaka unless some a,axing offer we can't turn down appears.

Obviously I made a mistake by saying Ibaka has played poorly this season, so my apologies.

I get that the team wants to sign him long term, but thats a really risky move imo. I dont see orlando's record getting any better by trade deadline. Putting all your faith in a player's word when July 1st hits, is taking a huge gamble.

If ibaka were to leave, you guys just gave up Oladipo for nothing. And I think there will be plenty of contenders (including my raps) waiting at his door. You better hope you guys can resign him during this season because that would be terrible asset management.

[RightToCensor]

I dont understand why the package they gave up is a factor here. Ibaka might potentially LEAVE this offseason, so it's better they swallow their pride and try to get something in return if thats truly the case.

This.

Magic fans need to get over what they sent out to get Ibaka because it was clearly an overpay on Orlando's part and shouldn't expect another team to fall for the same trick.

[Asif16]

I dont understand why the package they gave up is a factor here. Ibaka might potentially LEAVE this offseason, so it's better they swallow their pride and try to get something in return if thats truly the case.

This.

Magic fans need to get over what they sent out to get Ibaka because it was clearly an overpay on Orlando's part and shouldn't expect another team to fall for the same trick.

Would trying to resign ibaka even be a smart move for Orlando? Especially for the cost it would take? I mean how much better can they really get next season? If they spend the money on ibaka, they most likely wont have much to spend elsewhere.

I can see a Vuc trade, but i dont see them getting back a big time player for him. They'll be in the same position as they are now, trying to battle for the 8th seed.

Ross is 25 years old and on a very friendly contract. Would be a fit along side the young players orlando has.