Orlando/Toronto/Dallas

[Troubadour]

Orlando is running the risk of missing the playoffs and falling out of the chase before the trade deadline. Adding shooting is a priority for the Magic. Toronto has a well-documented need for an upgrade at power forward. Dallas needs more high-end prospects to add to the roster.

Orlando Receives
Terrence Ross
Seth Curry
2017 1st Round Pick (LAC)
2018 1st Round Pick (TOR)

Toronto Receives
Serge Ibaka
Dorian Finney-Smith

Dallas Receives
Jakob Poeltl

Why for Orlando?
This Magic roster is ill-conceived. Despite Ibaka's success this season, Orlando is 25th in net rating, 18th in defensive rating, and 29th in offensive rating. The defence has only gotten worse throughout the season from 101.3 (November) to 109.6 (December). With Ibaka about to become a free agent, Orlando has to seriously consider getting value via trade before this summer. This trade gets them two young players who add scoring and shooting. Ross' athleticism and defensive ability gives Orlando a more versatile option on the wing to play alongside Fournier.

Payton / Curry
Fournier / Hezonja
Ross / Green
Gordon / Rudez
Biyombo / Vucevic

Why for Toronto?
Ibaka is a versatile defender, floor spacer, and a competent third option on a team with two established scorers. Adding Finney-Smith gives the Raptors a wing defender they were high on during the pre-draft process.

Lowry / Joseph
DeRozan / Powell
Carroll / Finney-Smith
Ibaka / Patterson
Valanciunas / Nogueira

Why for Dallas?
Flipping Curry and Finney-Smith into Jakob Poeltl is a good return for the Mavericks. Poeltl is a top flight prospect at a position of need.

[The Sparest]

It sounds funny to say this, but as a Dallas fan, I think I would trade Anderson before Finney-Smith. Good value trade for Dallas, but I am not a big enough fan of Poeltl to do it myself.

[tiderulz]

we had a chance to keep Curry when we had him on 10-day contracts and opted not to. No need to trade for him now and he wouldnt be viewed as an asset. and again, Orlando wont be trading Ibaka, the FO wants to re-sign him

[OrlandoDream]

Orlando won't trade Ibaka for that package. Actually Orlando has no interest in entertaining Ibaka offers. Organization wants to keep him long-term. And please stop to shove Ross in trades. He is a bench player and inconsistent. I would take him over Jeff Green for sure but no way in hell for Ibaka. He's a keeper.

[wolves_89]

I don't think Dallas is going to be able to turn Curry and Finney-Smith into Poeltl, if anything the Mavs should be cut out since the only purpose they seem to serve is to steal value.

[The-Power]

I understand that Orlando is keen on keeping Ibaka which makes trades that include him sort of problematic.

As someone with no emotional connection to the Magic I like the trade, though. I like the direction and the value seems very fair. Ross has solid value and has proven his ability to space the floor and be a complementary scorer in a good offense all while being locked up for three years on a reasonable deal. Curry has little value and people are right to point out that teams probably could have acquired him not long ago for nothing. That said, he plays solid minutes for the Mavericks this year and has shown to be a solid bench player on a good deal and provides spacing with some playmaking which the Magic could use. Then you add two late first round picks (one in '17, one in '18) for a player who might walk away soon and I like the direction and value (even if Ibaka was willing to stay).

Toronto could really use Ibaka and Dallas should do it although I'm not entirely sure if they should be included in the deal.

[Troubadour]

Orlando won't trade Ibaka for that package. Actually Orlando has no interest in entertaining Ibaka offers. Organization wants to keep him long-term. And please stop to shove Ross in trades. He is a bench player and inconsistent. I would take him over Jeff Green for sure but no way in hell for Ibaka. He's a keeper.

Yes, Ross comes off the bench, but he plays that role on the second best team in the Eastern Conference.

So what if the organization wants to keep him long-term? You think Ibaka wants to play out his prime on a lottery team? What are the chances the current Magic front office even stays on past this year if they don't improve in the next four weeks? Why would a new administration even want to offer any player on the current roster a max contract? They have managed to get worse throughout the season - not better.

[NinjaBro]

Too much to give out from Toronto. We're basically giving Ross (locked in for 3 years) +2 first round picks + Poeltl our 9th overall pick for a rental. Ibaka's going to walk at the end of the year. No way he stays on a lottery team. We can sign him in the offseason.

[wolves_89]

Cut out Dallas and a deal of Ibaka for Ross/Poeltl/picks is a great return for the little over half a year left on Ibaka's contract. The Magic would have to be very confident about being able to re-sign Ibaka to turn this down. Honestly, I think Toronto would be more likely to turn down the deal than Orlando.

[wolves_89]

Too much to give out from Toronto. We're basically giving Ross (locked in for 3 years) +2 first round picks + Poeltl our 9th overall pick for a rental. Ibaka's going to walk at the end of the year. No way he stays on a lottery team. We can sign him in the offseason.

How would Toronto sign Ibaka in the off-season? Looking at the team's contracts the Raptors won't have any cap space, especially not if they plan to re-sign Lowry. A trade is the only way I see Ibaka ending up in Toronto (they could then use his bird rights to re-sign him).

[AkelaLoneWolf]

easy no from toronto. too many assets to give up for ibaka who might walk at the end of the year. and he won't help the raps get past the cavs. not to mention toronto won't have the money to pay him after resigning lowry and patterson.

[j-ragg]

We can sign him in the offseason.

I wish that were the case maybe we wouldn't see the same Ross for Ibaka trade weekly. They're just redundant now, Magic won't deal him.

[Magic_Johnny12]

Too much to give out from Toronto. We're basically giving Ross (locked in for 3 years) +2 first round picks + Poeltl our 9th overall pick for a rental. Ibaka's going to walk at the end of the year. No way he stays on a lottery team. We can sign him in the offseason.

Umm well how the salary cap works, that's actually going to be a bit harder than you think

[Troubadour]

We can sign him in the offseason.

I wish that were the case maybe we wouldn't see the same Ross for Ibaka trade weekly. They're just redundant now, Magic won't deal him.

If Orlando does not trade him, they have a real chance of making this trade...

Tobias Harris, Victor Oladipo, Domantas Sabonis
for
Nothing

Unless they sign Serge Ibaka to a max contract to continue playing for a lottery team, the Magic will have been tanking for the past four seasons with nothing to show for it. Aaron Gordon is not a SF and re-signing Ibaka is basically saying that Gordon is not in the future plans for the team. Payton still cannot be trusted to start. Hezonja cannot crack the rotation on a sub .500 team.

Putting blind faith in this front office is unwise. I'd be shocked if Rob Hennigan was still the GM at the end of the season.

[Troubadour]

easy no from toronto. too many assets to give up for ibaka who might walk at the end of the year. and he won't help the raps get past the cavs. not to mention toronto won't have the money to pay him after resigning lowry and patterson.

Raptors need a big who can defend in space. If Millsap is unavailable, Ibaka is the next best option.

[Magic_Johnny12]

We can sign him in the offseason.

I wish that were the case maybe we wouldn't see the same Ross for Ibaka trade weekly. They're just redundant now, Magic won't deal him.

If Orlando does not trade him, they have a real chance of making this trade...

Tobias Harris, Victor Oladipo, Domantas Sabonis
for
Nothing

Unless they sign Serge Ibaka to a max contract to continue playing for a lottery team, the Magic will have been tanking for the past four seasons with nothing to show for it. Aaron Gordon is not a SF and re-signing Ibaka is basically saying that Gordon is not in the future plans for the team. Payton still cannot be trusted to start. Hezonja cannot crack the rotation on a sub .500 team.

Putting blind faith in this front office is unwise. I'd be shocked if Rob Hennigan was still the GM at the end of the season.

Typical emotional comeback

[OrlandoDream]

Orlando won't trade Ibaka for that package. Actually Orlando has no interest in entertaining Ibaka offers. Organization wants to keep him long-term. And please stop to shove Ross in trades. He is a bench player and inconsistent. I would take him over Jeff Green for sure but no way in hell for Ibaka. He's a keeper.

Yes, Ross comes off the bench, but he plays that role on the second best team in the Eastern Conference.

So what if the organization wants to keep him long-term? You think Ibaka wants to play out his prime on a lottery team? What are the chances the current Magic front office even stays on past this year if they don't improve in the next four weeks? Why would a new administration even want to offer any player on the current roster a max contract? They have managed to get worse throughout the season - not better.

You think Ibaka wants to play out his prime on a lottery team?

Actually yes. He has stated multiple times that he would like to stay and that he "Want to play in Orlando forever." I know that is the right thing to say blah blah blah but Serge is a humble and classy guy. He has been here only a couple of months and is already the most involved member in the community. Giving away clothes for homeless, turkeys for thanksgiving, etc. Organization wants to keep him and he wants to stay. I can look up the link if you dont believe me.

What are the chances the current Magic front office even stays on past this year if they don't improve in the next four weeks?

After the rough start, the Magic finished December 8-8 and have improved their win totals every month. They are currently 2 games away from the 5th spot. We have seen an improvement in the play of both Aaron Gordon and EP in dec and we will see what happens new year. Also Rob has a close relationship with Ibaka. Getting rid of him would hurt our chances of resigning him imo. This is the worse time to clean that house. Magic are in the PO picture and improving their play. The FO job aren't in jeopardy as much as the media makes you think. I think we will give him after the 17-18 season to re-evaluable managment.

Why would a new administration even want to offer any player on the current roster a max contract?

Why not? If you would watch him more you would see why. Ibaka is our best two-way player and has emerged as a leader to these young guys. Vogel loves him and calls him an "NBA unicorm" with his ability to defend, hit the three, switch, and play multiple positions. Serge is a valuable guy. We gave up one of Robs fav player(Oladipo) and a 1st for him. You bet your azz Magic intend to keep him long term.

They have managed to get worse throughout the season - not better.

Could not be farther from the truth. How have they gotten worse when they have increased their win record every month? Read something else but ESPN power rankings to get an accurate description of the team.

Conclusion: I know all RAPs world wants Ibaka and hope the Magic are a mess this year so he walks. But sorry to break it to you, they are looking better, both have mutual interest to get a long-term deal done, and Ross is an NBA bench worth a late 1st at most. Question?

[AkelaLoneWolf]

easy no from toronto. too many assets to give up for ibaka who might walk at the end of the year. and he won't help the raps get past the cavs. not to mention toronto won't have the money to pay him after resigning lowry and patterson.

Raptors need a big who can defend in space. If Millsap is unavailable, Ibaka is the next best option.

i completely agree with you but it doesn't invalidate what i said in my earlier post. any trade to bring in a pf would have to include dmc going out, which I think right now is unworkable with orlando.

[j-ragg]

We can sign him in the offseason.

I wish that were the case maybe we wouldn't see the same Ross for Ibaka trade weekly. They're just redundant now, Magic won't deal him.

If Orlando does not trade him, they have a real chance of making this trade...

Tobias Harris, Victor Oladipo, Domantas Sabonis
for
Nothing

Unless they sign Serge Ibaka to a max contract to continue playing for a lottery team, the Magic will have been tanking for the past four seasons with nothing to show for it. Aaron Gordon is not a SF and re-signing Ibaka is basically saying that Gordon is not in the future plans for the team. Payton still cannot be trusted to start. Hezonja cannot crack the rotation on a sub .500 team.

Putting blind faith in this front office is unwise. I'd be shocked if Rob Hennigan was still the GM at the end of the season.

Okay then maybe he walks. I just know he isn't getting traded. If you feel the need to bash the franchise because he won't be traded to Toronto then feel free bud.

[Jameerthefear]

The value actually isn't bad. Magic fans are overestimating Ibaka's value. I don't think he stays here to be honest. I think it's a good trade for both teams with that in consideration

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