Greatest midrange shooter ever

GSP · Post #1 » by **GSP** » Sat Apr 22, 2017 4:10 am

Take your pick

If ur option isnt there then just post who (tho i dont see how anyone i havent named has an argument unless theres some obscure 60s-70s player i forgot). I was gonna post an other section but didnt have enough poll options

Spoiler:

MisterHibachi · Post #2 » by **MisterHibachi** » Sat Apr 22, 2017 4:15 am

This topic came up a while ago. From the numbers I remember it was either post 96 Jordan or Dirk. No one else was even in the ballpark.

Post #3 » by **Goudelock** » Sat Apr 22, 2017 4:26 am

Brandon Bass never seemed to miss from midrange when he played for the Celtics. The guy was automatic. I haven't seen anyone who was as good at that shot as Bass was that year.

GeneralManager · Post #4 » by **GeneralManager** » Sat Apr 22, 2017 4:40 am

Vernon Maxwell is not an option?

ceiling raiser · Post #5 » by **ceiling raiser** » Sat Apr 22, 2017 5:07 am

MJ or Dirk. In terms of true centers? Hakeem is worth an HM (maybe Ewing is as well?). For the final three years as a full-time guy for which we have data on stats.nba.com:

97: 248-572 in 78 games (.434 on 7.3 per game)
98: 120-294 in 47 games (.408 on 6.3 per game)
99: 144-320 in 50 games (.450 on 6.4 per game)
97-99: 512-1186 (.432 on 6.8 per game)

From Dipper 13's stat-tracking (lots of playoff games included):

93-95: 297-674 in 58 games (.441 on 11.6 per game)

wojoaderge · Post #6 » by **wojoaderge** » Sat Apr 22, 2017 5:07 am

McAdoo

Dr Positivity · Post #7 » by **Dr Positivity** » Sat Apr 22, 2017 5:19 am

I assume Oscar was ridiculous

GSP · Post #8 » by **GSP** » Sat Apr 22, 2017 5:24 am

Dr Positivity wrote:I assume Oscar was ridiculous

Yeah he has a very Cp3 like game but considering the amount of footage we have from that era i didnt feel comfortable including him (or Jerry)

therealbig3 · Post #9 » by **therealbig3** » Sat Apr 22, 2017 5:24 am

Of the players we have numbers for, here's how they shot from 16-23 feet:

Dirk (2001-2011): 47%
Nash (2001-2010): 48%
Kobe (2001-2010): 41%
Paul (2008-2017): 46%

Curry and Durant also need to be mentioned.

Curry (2013-2017): 44%
Durant (2012-2017): 46%

Looking at them in the playoffs:

Dirk (2001-2011): 44%
Nash (2001-2010): 44%
Kobe (2001-2010): 40%
Paul (2008-2016): 42%
Curry (2013-2016): 46%
Durant (2012-2016): 51%

Honestly, since 2001, it might be Durant. Kind of weird that Kobe is included...he was really good as an overall offensive threat in the midrange, one of the best ever, but just as a shooter? Pretty obvious that he's not in that conversation.

GSP · Post #10 » by **GSP** » Sat Apr 22, 2017 5:24 am

GeneralManager wrote:Vernon Maxwell is not an option?

Dont see how in any aspect he touches any of the guys in the poll. He was solid at converting them specially when open but he doesnt belong in the Goat convo

GeneralManager · Post #11 » by **GeneralManager** » Sat Apr 22, 2017 5:25 am

GSP wrote:
GeneralManager wrote:Vernon Maxwell is not an option?

Dont see how in any aspect he touches any of the guys in the poll. He was solid at converting them specially when open but he doesnt belong in the Goat convo

It was just a joke. Terrible shooter. Great defender though.

ShotCreator · Post #12 » by **ShotCreator** » Sat Apr 22, 2017 5:25 am

I have a hard time believing Bird wouldn't be among the best of all-time if we had the data for him.

GeneralManager · Post #13 » by **GeneralManager** » Sat Apr 22, 2017 5:26 am

ShotCreator wrote:I have a hard time believing Bird wouldn't be among the best of all-time if we had the data for him.

Someone will compile this data someday.

GSP · Post #14 » by **GSP** » Sat Apr 22, 2017 5:31 am

GeneralManager wrote:
GSP wrote:
GeneralManager wrote:Vernon Maxwell is not an option?

Dont see how in any aspect he touches any of the guys in the poll. He was solid at converting them specially when open but he doesnt belong in the Goat convo

It was just a joke. Terrible shooter. Great defender though.

Teams always gave him it open and he was known for being terrible. Maybe my memory is failing me but i thought he was solid when wide open :lol:

prolly not tho

Post #15 » by **Clyde Frazier** » Sat Apr 22, 2017 5:37 am

GSP wrote:Take your pick

If ur option isnt there then just post who (tho i dont see how anyone i havent named has an argument unless theres some obscure 60s-70s player i forgot). I was gonna post an other section but didnt have enough poll options
Spoiler:

The dirk gif you used is easily my favorite regular game winner of his. Just absurd angle to bank that in. And the MJ clip is from michael jordan to the max :lol:

saw that in imax when it came out... was pretty incredible HD footage for the time.

Post #16 » by **Clyde Frazier** » Sat Apr 22, 2017 5:48 am

Voted dirk, but found my post on allan houston's midrange #s from a while back. He really was lethal:

viewtopic.php?p=44445245#p44445245

Dipper 13 · Post #17 » by **Dipper 13** » Sat Apr 22, 2017 6:08 am

In the last 25 years I would say its between Jordan and Dirk. Nobody else is nearly as efficient on such enormous volume.

viewtopic.php?f=64&t=1467808

1992 Jordan RS *53/80 Games

10 to <16 ft: 155/342 (45.3%, 6.5 FGA)
16 ft to <3-pt: 234/452 (51.8%, 8.5 FGA)

1992 Jordan PO 22 Games (Complete)

10 to <16 ft: 64/155 FG (41.3%, 7.0 FGA)
16 ft to <3-pt: 103/201 FG (51.2%, 9.1 FGA)

Combining the RS and playoff data, below is 75 game sample total from that season

10 to <16 ft: 219/497 FG (44.1%, 6.6 FGA)
16 ft to <3-pt: 337/653 FG (51.6%, 8.7 FGA)

70sFan · Post #18 » by **70sFan** » Sat Apr 22, 2017 7:34 am

My top 5 would be:

1. Dirk Nowitzki
2. Alex English
3. Michael Jordan
4. Larry Bird
5. Chris Paul

I don't include 50s-70s players because I don't have enough data to prove their greatness. I'm sure though that West is on par with any of these players, same with Robertson. Bob McAdoo is amazing and Jack Sikma deserves a mention. Sam Jones and Reggie Miller did less off the dribble but they are still among the best.

Maravich and Kobe have the abilities but their questionable shot selection make them out of the conversation.

HeartBreakKid · Post #19 » by **HeartBreakKid** » Sat Apr 22, 2017 7:58 am

70sFan wrote:My top 5 would be:

1. Dirk Nowitzki
2. Alex English
3. Michael Jordan
4. Larry Bird
5. Chris Paul

I don't include 50s-70s players because I don't have enough data to prove their greatness. I'm sure though that West is on par with any of these players, same with Robertson. Bob McAdoo is amazing and Jack Sikma deserves a mention. Sam Jones and Reggie Miller did less off the dribble but they are still among the best.

Maravich and Kobe have the abilities but their questionable shot selection make them out of the conversation.

English is a good mention.

GSP · Post #20 » by **GSP** » Sat Apr 22, 2017 8:20 am

HeartBreakKid wrote:
70sFan wrote:My top 5 would be:

1. Dirk Nowitzki
2. Alex English
3. Michael Jordan
4. Larry Bird
5. Chris Paul

I don't include 50s-70s players because I don't have enough data to prove their greatness. I'm sure though that West is on par with any of these players, same with Robertson. Bob McAdoo is amazing and Jack Sikma deserves a mention. Sam Jones and Reggie Miller did less off the dribble but they are still among the best.

Maravich and Kobe have the abilities but their questionable shot selection make them out of the conversation.

English is a good mention.

Hes in the poll already FWIW