WCQF: P2 | (4) LA Clippers vs Utah Jazz (5) | UTA 4-3

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Post#1 » by Thabo Sefolosha » Wed Apr 26, 2017 12:59 pm

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Post#2 » by XPeak » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:33 pm

Why can't the Clippers stay healthy in the Post-Season? Seems like either CP3 or Blake goes down. Such a shame that we didn't see this team in its maximum form consistently. Maybe it's the "Clippers Curse" or the "Doc Voodoo", I don't know.

CP3 was head and shoulders above every PG for a good stretch. He was also doing well at the start of the season after having that Lasik Surgery. Time is running out for him and he hasn't won anything relevant in his career yet.
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Post#3 » by bulliedog8 » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:41 pm

Hope the Jazz close out in 6. Want to see a Jazz Warriors matchup. Jazz matchup great with the warriors and I think they could definitely go 6 with the warriors.
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Post#4 » by MartinToVaught » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:22 pm

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Yet another reason to #FireDocRivers. Cutting Ingles was bad enough, but doing it in such a classless manner is just beyond the pale.
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Post#5 » by Hello Brooklyn » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:41 pm

Apparently the Clippers are keeping Doc regardless of result. What a nightmare for fans.

Blame has to fall on Balmer here. Doc clearly isn't cutting it as a GM anymore. How can you have so much talent on a team and constantly under perform?

The Clippers should be beating the Jazz without Griffin.
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Post#6 » by Dynamix » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:44 pm

I want Doc to go as much as the next guy, but that tweet by Lowe is pretty dumb. Clippers gave Ingles a chance in training camp and I seriously doubt they were aware that his wife was on her way to watch him play, not that it should've made a difference. He should actually be grateful we didn't pick him up, since Doc isn't known for his player development.
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Post#7 » by MartinToVaught » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:58 pm

Hello Brooklyn wrote:Apparently the Clippers are keeping Doc regardless of result. What a nightmare for fans.

Blame has to fall on Balmer here. Doc clearly isn't cutting it as a GM anymore. How can you have so much talent on a team and constantly under perform?

The Clippers should be beating the Jazz without Griffin.

In fairness, Woj covered himself with weasel words like "extremely unlikely." TNT has been panning over to Ballmer in the stands on a regular basis during the games and he looks angrier than I've ever seen him. I still wouldn't be surprised if he chickens out of doing what needs to be done, but maybe this series is the eye-opener for Ballmer that changes his plans. We can only hope that's the case.
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Post#8 » by Stoked » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:59 pm

I think the Jazz win this in 6. The crowd in Utah on Friday night is going to be insane.

But this series and the Clippers are exactly what the Jazz needed. It's been a dog fight and nothing is given. The growth under pressure has been amazing for Utah. For example Hayward wrestling with CP3 at the end of the game, not giving up the ball and yelling back. This has been absolutely huge for Utah. Trial by fire.

For that thank you Clippers, respect. But I hope the Jazz put you down on Friday lol.
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Post#9 » by Dirk » Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:02 pm

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Post#10 » by millslapper » Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:14 pm

Chris Paul is a great basketball player, a really great.

But also some kind of fraud with violent temper.
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Post#11 » by millslapper » Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:20 pm

Now, Utah has the mormontum.
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Post#12 » by TinmanZBoy » Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:24 pm

Hello Brooklyn wrote:Apparently the Clippers are keeping Doc regardless of result. What a nightmare for fans.

Blame has to fall on Balmer here. Doc clearly isn't cutting it as a GM anymore. How can you have so much talent on a team and constantly under perform?

The Clippers should be beating the Jazz without Griffin.


not sure that's correct... the Jazz has become a really good team ...they have everything, a top level defensive anchor rim protector, long defensive wings, a two-way PG who can really defend and make every opposing PG miserable, good shooters etc... depth too if Favors is fully healthy... it is hard to find another more complete team than the Jazz in NBA nowadays...
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Post#13 » by Hello Brooklyn » Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:26 pm

TinmanZBoy wrote:
Hello Brooklyn wrote:Apparently the Clippers are keeping Doc regardless of result. What a nightmare for fans.

Blame has to fall on Balmer here. Doc clearly isn't cutting it as a GM anymore. How can you have so much talent on a team and constantly under perform?

The Clippers should be beating the Jazz without Griffin.


not sure that's correct... the Jazz has become a really good team ...they have everything, a top level defensive anchor rim protector, long defensive wings, a two-way PG who can really defend and make every opposing PG miserable, good shooters etc... depth too if Favors is fully healthy... it is hard to find another more complete team than the Jazz in NBA nowadays...


The Jazz have no playoff experience and Chris Paul is BY FAR the best player.

The Clippers also have a coach with Championship experience and home court advantage.

Of course they should win the series. The Jazz are not yet ready to make a serious run. Their key guy in the 4th quarter has been Joe Johnson.
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Post#14 » by HotTubMike » Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:32 pm

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Yet another reason to #FireDocRivers. Cutting Ingles was bad enough, but doing it in such a classless manner is just beyond the pale.


Yea because Doc Rivers is familiar with the travel itinerary of all of his players family members/significant others at all times.

Actually, he probably knew and waited until she wad mid-flight and then called him just to really twist the knife in.

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Post#15 » by mudsak » Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:41 pm

Hello Brooklyn wrote:
TinmanZBoy wrote:
Hello Brooklyn wrote:Apparently the Clippers are keeping Doc regardless of result. What a nightmare for fans.

Blame has to fall on Balmer here. Doc clearly isn't cutting it as a GM anymore. How can you have so much talent on a team and constantly under perform?

The Clippers should be beating the Jazz without Griffin.


not sure that's correct... the Jazz has become a really good team ...they have everything, a top level defensive anchor rim protector, long defensive wings, a two-way PG who can really defend and make every opposing PG miserable, good shooters etc... depth too if Favors is fully healthy... it is hard to find another more complete team than the Jazz in NBA nowadays...


The Jazz have no playoff experience and Chris Paul is BY FAR the best player.

The Clippers also have a coach with Championship experience and home court advantage.

Of course they should win the series. The Jazz are not yet ready to make a serious run. Their key guy in the 4th quarter has been Joe Johnson.


What's wrong with having Joe Jesus as a go to in the 4th???? He's got to be one of the most clutch, and reliable players in recent NBA history!
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Post#16 » by Stoked » Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:44 pm

Hello Brooklyn wrote:
TinmanZBoy wrote:
Hello Brooklyn wrote:Apparently the Clippers are keeping Doc regardless of result. What a nightmare for fans.

Blame has to fall on Balmer here. Doc clearly isn't cutting it as a GM anymore. How can you have so much talent on a team and constantly under perform?

The Clippers should be beating the Jazz without Griffin.


not sure that's correct... the Jazz has become a really good team ...they have everything, a top level defensive anchor rim protector, long defensive wings, a two-way PG who can really defend and make every opposing PG miserable, good shooters etc... depth too if Favors is fully healthy... it is hard to find another more complete team than the Jazz in NBA nowadays...


The Jazz have no playoff experience and Chris Paul is BY FAR the best player.

The Clippers also have a coach with Championship experience and home court advantage.

Of course they should win the series. The Jazz are not yet ready to make a serious run. Their key guy in the 4th quarter has been Joe Johnson.


This is not completely true. JJ, Hill and Diaw have extensive playoff experience. Also Favors and Hayward this is their second time.

Doc River is massively overrated as a coach. I could have been the coach in Boston during their championship season and they'd still have made the finals. Snyder has completely outperformed him. I mean who doesn't game plan for Gobert,...

Jazz are the better team and that's not a slight on the Clippers.

CP3 is the best player (gap isn't as wide as you state) but the next two are Gobert and Hayward.

Hayward is averaging 26.5ppg, 8 rpg and 3 apg on 49% FGs, 48% 3s and 96% FTs.

Gobert has come back and completely changed the defense and rebounding elements of this series.
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Post#17 » by og15 » Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:46 pm

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Yet another reason to #FireDocRivers. Cutting Ingles was bad enough, but doing it in such a classless manner is just beyond the pale.


Yea because Doc Rivers is familiar with the travel itinerary of all of his players family members/significant others at all times.

Actually, he probably knew and waited until she wad mid-flight and then called him just to really twist the knife in.

:noway: :crazy:
Yea, that's just an unreasonable criticism. Doc waived Ingles when the Clippers had to make their roster decisions.

Cunningham was kept over him because Jordan Farmar got an injury and they were a little worried he wouldn't be available and he was the only bench PG on the team. He ended up being fine, so sucks.

The Clippers were playing with the hard cap that season and if I remember correctly, at the time, they couldn't cut any guaranteed contracts and then also sign Ingles without some hard cap issues.

The Clippers plan was to waive Ingles, figure out the cap situation, then re-sign him. The problem is that he didn't survive in the market long enough for that to happen.

Bad decision in hindsight? Yes. Bad decision at the time? Not necessarily. There was an injury scare. Cunningham was a 20th range pick two seasons before. He had great athletic ability and could possibly develop into a solid two way role player. He ended the pre-season with a bang. The team had Matt Barnes, CDR, Reggie Bullock at SF, and Hedo playing as a small ball stretch 4. They had guaranteed contracts so if waived there would be cap implications for a team barely under the hard cap.

So there were reasons, but it wasn't the right decision. That's fine to discuss, but calling Doc classless for something he wouldn't even have known about is just getting out of hand with the dislike of him.
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Post#18 » by HeartBreakKid » Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:48 pm

Hello Brooklyn wrote:
TinmanZBoy wrote:
Hello Brooklyn wrote:Apparently the Clippers are keeping Doc regardless of result. What a nightmare for fans.

Blame has to fall on Balmer here. Doc clearly isn't cutting it as a GM anymore. How can you have so much talent on a team and constantly under perform?

The Clippers should be beating the Jazz without Griffin.


not sure that's correct... the Jazz has become a really good team ...they have everything, a top level defensive anchor rim protector, long defensive wings, a two-way PG who can really defend and make every opposing PG miserable, good shooters etc... depth too if Favors is fully healthy... it is hard to find another more complete team than the Jazz in NBA nowadays...


The Jazz have no playoff experience and Chris Paul is BY FAR the best player.

The Clippers also have a coach with Championship experience and home court advantage.

Of course they should win the series. The Jazz are not yet ready to make a serious run. Their key guy in the 4th quarter has been Joe Johnson.


The Jazz are a mega deep team that have two all-star players on their team, and they are not a green team. They have players with playoff experience. You're talking like they're the Bucks or something.


The Clippers have 3 notable players, Cp3, DeAndre Jordan and JJ Reddick and Reddick hasn't played well other than last night.
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Post#19 » by Starboy » Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:52 pm

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Post#20 » by og15 » Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:55 pm

Hello Brooklyn wrote:
TinmanZBoy wrote:
Hello Brooklyn wrote:Apparently the Clippers are keeping Doc regardless of result. What a nightmare for fans.

Blame has to fall on Balmer here. Doc clearly isn't cutting it as a GM anymore. How can you have so much talent on a team and constantly under perform?

The Clippers should be beating the Jazz without Griffin.


not sure that's correct... the Jazz has become a really good team ...they have everything, a top level defensive anchor rim protector, long defensive wings, a two-way PG who can really defend and make every opposing PG miserable, good shooters etc... depth too if Favors is fully healthy... it is hard to find another more complete team than the Jazz in NBA nowadays...


The Jazz have no playoff experience and Chris Paul is BY FAR the best player.

The Clippers also have a coach with Championship experience and home court advantage.

Of course they should win the series. The Jazz are not yet ready to make a serious run. Their key guy in the 4th quarter has been Joe Johnson.

Having the best player only gets you so far. You still need other contributors and you still need to defend. Durant was by far the best player in the OKC vs Memphis series in 12-13. Most of them. Had been to the finals and their coach had led the team to the finals, but with Westbrook out, the Grizzlies had the 2nd and 3rd best players in the series, and the Thunder lose 4-1.

A team wins a series not the best player in the series. The Jazz as a group don't have playoff experience together, but two of their biggest contributors in Hill and Johnson have extensive playoff experience as well as another good contributor in Diaz having a ton of playoff experience. So I don't know if playoff experience is going to change anything when it is Johnson, the guy with a ton of it who hits the majority of the big shots on the Clippers. On the other side, they just need to keep up their intensity and focus on defense.

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