28 Pick for 2018 Pick

[Kirito]

I know Lakers will try to use the pick to move 1 of Moz or Deng. Lets face it wont happen. What teams are willing to trade there 2018 pick for the #28 Pick this year. Btw lets not have any top 25 Protected picks a Pick today is worth more then a pick next year...

[M-C-G]

As a Bucks fan I think I would vote on this. Would more than likely land us one of Jawun Evans or Frank Jackson. That'd be a worthy gamble IMO


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[UTJazzFan_Echo1]

2018 OKC first round pick (lottery protected)

Seems more than fair.

Very likely you get the pick as I don't see OKC missing the playoffs anytime soon and it should be a decent pick since they won't be a top tier team.

[Kirito]

2018 OKC first round pick (lottery protected)

Seems more than fair.

Very likely you get the pick as I don't see OKC missing the playoffs anytime soon and it should be a decent pick since they won't be a top tier team.

No way would we do it with OKC without it losing protection a long the way year after year. If they lose westbrook mid way through the way by trade we get nothing and that is not going to happen. So Lotto Protected 2018 Lotto protected 2019 Top 10 2020 then top 5 2021 then top 3 2022 then un protected 2023 would work...

[Kirito]

As a Bucks fan I think I would vote on this. Would more than likely land us one of Jawun Evans or Frank Jackson. That'd be a worthy gamble IMO


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That would be a nice get for the Lakers

[Foshan]

Philly has a future okc 1st... it's not for a couple years tho

maybe that pick and #50 this year. Yeah thats probably low

[Kirito]

Philly has a future okc 1st... it's not for a couple years tho

maybe that pick and #50 this year. Yeah thats probably low

Would you do Lakers Lotto Protected Pick (Is that allowed) You guys keep the pick then we get the OKC future pick?

[UTJazzFan_Echo1]

2018 OKC first round pick (lottery protected)

Seems more than fair.

Very likely you get the pick as I don't see OKC missing the playoffs anytime soon and it should be a decent pick since they won't be a top tier team.

No way would we do it with OKC without it losing protection a long the way year after year. If they lose westbrook mid way through the way by trade we get nothing and that is not going to happen. So Lotto Protected 2018 Lotto protected 2019 Top 10 2020 then top 5 2021 then top 3 2022 then un protected 2023 would work...

Serious? Why does EVERYONE bring this up about this pick?

Seriously, if you don't take the pick because some guy on some team MIGHT have a season ending injury (which is extremely unlikely), then you probably should never trade for any protected pick ever. If people were this worried about pick protections, why would you ever trade for any protected pick ever? It makes no sense to me.

What if OKC signs Blake Griffin? What if Thunder trade Westbrook for the #1 pick? I mean seriously... we could go at this game for hours.

The pick is projected to be somewhere in the 20's, likely low to mid 20's. That's a lot better than the pick you're offering. There's a EXTREMELY high chance the pick coveys at a mid to early 20's pick this very next year.

If you don't want it, fine. But can we stop acting like protected lottery picks (especially in the case of OKC) are worthless trash?

[Kirito]

2018 OKC first round pick (lottery protected)

Seems more than fair.

Very likely you get the pick as I don't see OKC missing the playoffs anytime soon and it should be a decent pick since they won't be a top tier team.

No way would we do it with OKC without it losing protection a long the way year after year. If they lose westbrook mid way through the way by trade we get nothing and that is not going to happen. So Lotto Protected 2018 Lotto protected 2019 Top 10 2020 then top 5 2021 then top 3 2022 then un protected 2023 would work...

Serious? Why does EVERYONE bring this up about this pick?

Seriously, if you don't take the pick because some guy on some team MIGHT have a season ending injury (which is extremely unlikely), then you probably should never trade for any protected pick ever. If people were this worried about pick protections, why would you ever trade for any protected pick ever? It makes no sense to me.

What if OKC signs Blake Griffin? What if Thunder trade Westbrook for the #1 pick? I mean seriously... we could go at this game for hours.

The pick is projected to be somewhere in the 20's, likely low to mid 20's. That's a lot better than the pick you're offering. There's a EXTREMELY high chance the pick coveys at a mid to early 20's pick this very next year.

If you don't want it, fine. But can we stop acting like protected lottery picks (especially in the case of OKC) are worthless trash?

I never said the pick was worthless just there is just 2 much risk in that pick. If you thought there was not a decent amount of risk in the pick what is the big deal with what i said? If it lands in the 20's like it should land thats fine. I did not even mentioning anyone getting hurt its more like i can see OKC trading westbrook before the trade deadline and if they do that they will be tanking meaning they keep there pick and they got a free pick..

This is something OKC can do. Do this trade knowing that they have a trade set up for westbrook already for the off season. Then what happens?

[Spens1]

maybe for our pick but i wouldn't really do it, theirs some good prospects at the end of the first that are worth looking into

[Kirito]

maybe for our pick but i wouldn't really do it, theirs some good prospects at the end of the first that are worth looking into

What ever player we will get in that slot will not be worth the chance to clear up cap space in 2018 for FA's like PG.

[Spens1]

maybe for our pick but i wouldn't really do it, theirs some good prospects at the end of the first that are worth looking into

What ever player we will get in that slot will not be worth the chance to clear up cap space in 2018 for FA's like PG.

oh yeah of course if someone took on Mozgov and/or Deng and we only had to give up 28, it would be fantastic

[Kirito]

maybe for our pick but i wouldn't really do it, theirs some good prospects at the end of the first that are worth looking into

What ever player we will get in that slot will not be worth the chance to clear up cap space in 2018 for FA's like PG.

oh yeah of course if someone took on Mozgov and/or Deng and we only had to give up 28, it would be fantastic

The thing is i dont think anyone would which is why we should trade out of this draft and into 2018. While teams might not trade for them with 3 years left for a draft pick they might do it for only 2 years left in there contract hence the thread

[Spens1]

What ever player we will get in that slot will not be worth the chance to clear up cap space in 2018 for FA's like PG.

oh yeah of course if someone took on Mozgov and/or Deng and we only had to give up 28, it would be fantastic

The thing is i dont think anyone would which is why we should trade out of this draft and into 2018. While teams might not trade for them with 3 years left for a draft pick they might do it for only 2 years left in there contract hence the thread

Apparently Brooklyn are interested in doing it (willing to take on salary as long as a pick or a young player is attached).

I'm sure their will be some other team out there willing to do it for picks/young assets (Sacramento perhaps?)

[Kirito]

oh yeah of course if someone took on Mozgov and/or Deng and we only had to give up 28, it would be fantastic

The thing is i dont think anyone would which is why we should trade out of this draft and into 2018. While teams might not trade for them with 3 years left for a draft pick they might do it for only 2 years left in there contract hence the thread

Apparently Brooklyn are interested in doing it (willing to take on salary as long as a pick or a young player is attached).

I'm sure their will be some other team out there willing to do it for picks/young assets (Sacramento perhaps?)

If we can get someone to bite on just the 28th pick you go for it but if not then you need to trade the pick for a pick next year

[Coxy]

I'm a little confused by this trade. Why would ANY team give up their 2018 pick for the 28th this year? That pick next year could turn into absolutely anything. You may suffer some bad injuries early that send you plummeting next season, and that 2018 pick might end up very valuable.

I can't understand the rationale for a GM to even consider this. The chance of landing a rotation player, let alone a starter at 28 isn't worth the risk of what that 2018 pick may become. This sounds like a deal a poor GM would try to fling past an owner. Maybe I'm missing something.

[Kirito]

I'm a little confused by this trade. Why would ANY team give up their 2018 pick for the 28th this year? That pick next year could turn into absolutely anything. You may suffer some bad injuries early that send you plummeting next season, and that 2018 pick might end up very valuable.

I can't understand the rationale for a GM to even consider this. The chance of landing a rotation player, let alone a starter at 28 isn't worth the risk of what that 2018 pick may become. This sounds like a deal a poor GM would try to fling past an owner. Maybe I'm missing something.

Many reasons.
Players slide *Kid should of gone top 20 now he is at the 28 why wouldnt we take him*
Teams love a player in that range and want him
GM's jobs are on the line every year. That GM might not be around the next year to make that pick why not give himself a better chance this year to make sure they are around the next year?
They are a play off team anyways this is a deep draft so picking 28 this year has more value then picking 23 next year...

[Karmaloop]

I'm a little confused by this trade. Why would ANY team give up their 2018 pick for the 28th this year? That pick next year could turn into absolutely anything. You may suffer some bad injuries early that send you plummeting next season, and that 2018 pick might end up very valuable.

I can't understand the rationale for a GM to even consider this. The chance of landing a rotation player, let alone a starter at 28 isn't worth the risk of what that 2018 pick may become. This sounds like a deal a poor GM would try to fling past an owner. Maybe I'm missing something.

A pick now is generally worth more than a pick later all things being equal, and the price of getting into a draft a year earlier means that the team has to make up value. Right now, there are four teams that don't have a pick in this year's draft: Cleveland, LA Clippers, Golden State, and Memphis. Cleveland and Golden State are win-now modes, so they're likely not going to be real interested in adding a rookie to sit on the bench. Cleveland couldn't deal a 1st until 2021 at the earliest, while Golden State couldn't trade theirs until 2019. Clippers can't trade theirs until 2021 because of their pick is currently owned by Boston. Likewise, Memphis's 1st round pick is due to go to Boston in 2019 which means they can't give a pick until 2021.

So you get into the teams who own 2nd round picks, but no 1st round picks: Houston, New Orleans, and Washington. Houston owns the 40th pick, but is free to deal their 2018 pick if they felt there was a player worth it at 28. And if they felt reasonably comfortable that they were going to be in a similar place next year, a move might make sense. New Orleans could dangle their 2018 1st, although I think they'd be looking for a bigger fish than a late 2017 1st even if it's a deep draft. As for Washington, they could look to add another player to the mix.

Either way, I think it comes down to whose available at 28. If there's someone that any of those teams really like, they could make that kind of offer. But teams don't usually dangle future 1sts.

EDIT: The last time I believe we saw a late 1st dealt for a future 1st was Arnett Moultrie several years ago.

[Coxy]

I'm a little confused by this trade. Why would ANY team give up their 2018 pick for the 28th this year? That pick next year could turn into absolutely anything. You may suffer some bad injuries early that send you plummeting next season, and that 2018 pick might end up very valuable.

I can't understand the rationale for a GM to even consider this. The chance of landing a rotation player, let alone a starter at 28 isn't worth the risk of what that 2018 pick may become. This sounds like a deal a poor GM would try to fling past an owner. Maybe I'm missing something.

Many reasons.
Players slide *Kid should of gone top 20 now he is at the 28 why wouldnt we take him*
Teams love a player in that range and want him
GM's jobs are on the line every year. That GM might not be around the next year to make that pick why not give himself a better chance this year to make sure they are around the next year?
They are a play off team anyways this is a deep draft so picking 28 this year has more value then picking 23 next year...

Yeah, I guess I'm just not a fan of this idea at all then. Say it was Houston or OKC that were trading for the 28th pick, and they lost Harden or Wetsook for the season with an injury, that pick becomes gold. Only a seriously short sighted GM would do this sort of thing in my opinion, which means a short lived GM as well.

[Kizz Fastfists]

I never said the pick was worthless just there is just 2 much risk in that pick. If you thought there was not a decent amount of risk in the pick what is the big deal with what i said? If it lands in the 20's like it should land thats fine. I did not even mentioning anyone getting hurt its more like i can see OKC trading westbrook before the trade deadline and if they do that they will be tanking meaning they keep there pick and they got a free pick..

This is something OKC can do. Do this trade knowing that they have a trade set up for westbrook already for the off season. Then what happens?

A Utah fan proposed it because Utah owns the pick from the Kanter trade. It is 1-14 protected in 2018, 2019 and 2020 if the pick doesn't convey in any of those years it becomes a two 2nd round picks one in 2020 and one in 2021.