Mike McCarthy's Approval Rating

Post #1 » by **humanrefutation** » Wed Aug 8, 2018 5:58 pm

Simple and straight to the point. Modeled after the Gallup polling on presidential job approval, I am introducing the Head Coach Approval Rating. Let us get a sense of how the board feels about our Head Coach.

The poll will remain open - so you can change your vote as you see fit. I'll bump this up from time to time - on some kind of regular schedule - to get a sense of how everyone is feeling about the HC. I'll open it up for a period of time, and then close it again until the next time we solicit updated votes. I'll post the results when I do so as a record of how our collective view of the HC has shifted over time.

Poll up top. Get your pre-season votes in. I will suspend the poll at the start of the season until the next time we solicit your votes.

As of 9/4 at 10:55AM:
Approve: 36% (14)
Disapprove: 64% (25)

Kerb Hohl · Post #2 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Thu Aug 9, 2018 4:29 pm

I went with disapprove but I might've taken a "slightly disapprove" option. On a 1-10 confidence scale, I'm probably at a 3 or a 4.

It has long been my stance that he's "fine" by NFL standards but I definitely would prefer a more forward-thinking coach. 3-4 years ago my take was probably, "it's not worth the risk to can McCarthy to take a stab at a more forward-thinking coach." At this point, I am all in on that. It may be too late, though.

RRyder823 · Post #3 » by **RRyder823** » Thu Aug 9, 2018 6:12 pm

Kerb Hohl wrote:I went with disapprove but I might've taken a "slightly disapprove" option. On a 1-10 confidence scale, I'm probably at a 3 or a 4.

It has long been my stance that he's "fine" by NFL standards but I definitely would prefer a more forward-thinking coach. 3-4 years ago my take was probably, "it's not worth the risk to can McCarthy to take a stab at a more forward-thinking coach." At this point, I am all in on that. It may be too late, though.

I'm on the other side of the coin with "slightly approve". I wouldn't be shocked to see him leave next year and I also wouldn't be pissed if he were extended. It all depends on the year he and the Packers have. I wouldn't have been heartbroken to change it up this offseason either but I also dont think giving him another go of it for one more year isnt the worst idea in the world either. I get both sides of the argument

Mostly I only get annoyed when people act like hes some middling or strait up bad coach. Like people do know that you can think it's time for a new voice and it's time to move on and at the same time not think he's a bottom tier coach?

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JimmyTheKid · Post #4 » by **JimmyTheKid** » Fri Aug 10, 2018 3:56 pm

Disapprove. Sick and tired of hearing the always-defensive tone in his voice. McCarthy is a middling coach. There are probably at least 100 guys who could have accumulated a similar 121-70 regular season record and a 10-8 postseason record with two of the best ten (and arguably best five) QB's ever at their disposal. The time to get a fresh voice in the locker room has come and gone, with Rodgers now approaching 35. Still have high hopes for this season as I do every year a first ballot HOF QB lines up behind center, but have ditched the "Super Bowl or bust" mindset due to McCarthy still being around.

dbrodz7 · Post #5 » by **dbrodz7** » Fri Aug 10, 2018 4:35 pm

I voted approve but that is subject to change after this season. I think he made all the necessary moves to get it cleaned up bringing back Philibin and hiring Pettine. At the same time it is also his fault for keeping Capers for so long and having none of his own creativity with the offense without Rodgers. If we lose before the NFC Championship this year and Rodgers stays healthy I think he should be gone.

M-C-G · Post #6 » by **M-C-G** » Fri Aug 10, 2018 4:55 pm

Can't decide yet...early on it seemed like he was just so much more imaginative, last couple years he just seems like a grumpy, stubborn, set in his ways guy. Before this off season I would say Disapprove but the staff changes have me back on the fence.

Post #7 » by **MickeyDavis** » Fri Aug 10, 2018 5:43 pm

Most coaches have players tune them out after a few years. McCarthy seems to still be in good control of the team and they always play hard. The players seem to like and respect him. That's a plus. But as an in game coach he's below average.

Iheartfootball · Post #8 » by **Iheartfootball** » Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:30 pm

I agree with MD. He's a good team manager. Players still seem to respond to him. In game though he needs to turn it over to his assistants and let them game plan and call plays. Frankly he could just walk the sidelines and try to motivate the team. He's either too aggressive at times or not aggressive enough. It can be maddening. I feel like one SB in 12 years with 2 HOF QBs though is indicative of some of his ineffectiveness. But it's not all on him, TT deserves the blame on roster assembly which hasn't given him much to work with. It's a complex question and answer so I have a hard time saying 'approve' or 'disapprove'.

Post #9 » by **humanrefutation** » Sat Aug 11, 2018 12:51 am

I think there are a variety of reasons why this team hasn't been more successful in the last few years. I think Capers should have been replaced years ago. I think Thompson flopped with some of his draft picks, especially on defense, which is a huge problem considering his unwillingness to pursue free agents. I think we've had some bad luck with injuries. I also think Mike McCarthy's offensive game plan became predictable and easy to defend, with too much reliance on Rodgers to make the perfect play.

The first two issues have been eliminated. We have a new GM and a new DC. You can't control your own luck. What we're left with is McCarthy. He needs to be more creative offensively.

The pressure is on him right now. I voted "disapprove," but I'm willing to afford him this season to show me what he's got.

BJ Sandered · Post #10 » by **BJ Sandered** » Sat Aug 11, 2018 8:38 pm

I voted disapprove, but you could still do worse. As others are saying, Fat Mac is a pretty bad in game coach (deciding when to use and not to use timeouts is a good example of this) but seemingly a pretty good motivator. The offense has been stale the last few years and Capers should have been fired back around 2012 or 13. He also kept Slocum around for way too long because of nepotism. If he would just defer to some of his coaches during games and stay out of his own way then the whole team would be better off though.

With all the changes going in, I'll see how the season plays out a bit to give more of a definite opinion.

bizarro · Post #11 » by **bizarro** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:29 pm

humanrefutation wrote:I think there are a variety of reasons why this team hasn't been more successful in the last few years. I think Capers should have been replaced years ago. I think Thompson flopped with some of his draft picks, especially on defense, which is a huge problem considering his unwillingness to pursue free agents. I think we've had some bad luck with injuries. I also think Mike McCarthy's offensive game plan became predictable and easy to defend, with too much reliance on Rodgers to make the perfect play.

The first two issues have been eliminated. We have a new GM and a new DC. You can't control your own luck. What we're left with is McCarthy. He needs to be more creative offensively.

The pressure is on him right now. I voted "disapprove," but I'm willing to afford him this season to show me what he's got.

I couldn't have said it better myself. And, I agree with others: MM teams always always play hard to the bitter end of the season. And, man oh man, how things might be different if Brandon Bostick doesn't s*** the bed. Or Peppers doesn't urge Dix to slide. Or. Or. Or. Man, we've had some god damn heartbreaks.

HKPackFan · Post #12 » by **HKPackFan** » Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:08 am

humanrefutation wrote:I think there are a variety of reasons why this team hasn't been more successful in the last few years. I think Capers should have been replaced years ago. I think Thompson flopped with some of his draft picks, especially on defense, which is a huge problem considering his unwillingness to pursue free agents. I think we've had some bad luck with injuries. I also think Mike McCarthy's offensive game plan became predictable and easy to defend, with too much reliance on Rodgers to make the perfect play.

The first two issues have been eliminated. We have a new GM and a new DC. You can't control your own luck. What we're left with is McCarthy. He needs to be more creative offensively.

The pressure is on him right now. I voted "disapprove," but I'm willing to afford him this season to show me what he's got.

Well said, this covers most of what I feel.

The other thing on offense is having Philbin back, he was part of the offensive glory years. My hope is that eliminates the predictability issue having a proper OCs eyes out there. The last couple of guys were just internal guys following along with MMs ways.

livestrong4ever · Post #13 » by **livestrong4ever** » Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:18 am

McCarthy seems to be a great x's and o's guy. The first 15 pre planned plays a game are always great, but Rodgers has saved his butt. Now a-lot of teams are going to struggle without their main guy, but the way the backs went down last year was depressing. Not going to get that many all time great Rodgers years.

WeekapaugGroove · Post #14 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:57 pm

Some good summaries of Mike which makes sense since he's been here so long I think we all know what we're getting good and bad with him. I've always leaned towards the side that he's a good yet flawed coach.

Some of his traits have been both a positive and a detriment to him. I think he treats his players and coaches like men and is very loyal. This has been good in some regards because in general I've always felt guys like playing for him and he's been rewarded by guy like Adams for his patience through their struggles. But on the flip side he's stuck with some coaches and players too long.

This is kind of the same with his in game coaching. I think he's the type that hates to adjust to the other team and takes the mindset of making other teams adjust to them. This works when you're good but when you're out-manned like we saw last year it can completely **** you.

Last offseason was the first time I was really onboard with moving on from Mike. Still think he's a good coach and I would bet he's successful in his next stop but I do think theres a time when change is needed just to get a new voice and direction for a franchise. Hopefully all the other change in his staff will solve this but if they have a bad year it might be time for change.

Ron Swanson · Post #15 » by **Ron Swanson** » Mon Aug 20, 2018 5:32 pm

In this "what have you done for me lately?" league, I have to vote disapprove. Think that the X's and O's stuff tends to get overblown, and if anything, his blind loyalty and stubbornness towards his own coordinators (*cough* Capers *cough*) and the emphasis he puts on continuity are what have held this team back. He's the new Andy Reid.

Post #16 » by **ReasonablySober** » Thu Aug 30, 2018 4:59 pm

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Post #17 » by **humanrefutation** » Tue Sep 4, 2018 3:57 pm

Alright, let's close the poll for now.

As of 9/4 at 10:55AM:
Approve: 36% (14)
Disapprove: 64% (25)