Grant/Simmons/2020 OKC 1st for Fultz/Korkmaz

Bentley1225 · Post #1 » by **Bentley1225** » Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:53 pm

Ill offer this straight swap based on
-Magic take a chance on Fultz who can play behind Augustine off bench
-Sixers clear up cap space for 2019 while swapping out PGs and SFs

To Philadelphia
-Jerian Grant (1 year, $2.7 million plus QO)
-Jonathan Simmons (1 year, $6 million plus $1 million guaranteed)
-2020 OKC 1st (1-20 protected or 2022 and 2023 2nds)

To Orlando
-Markell Fultz (2 years, $18.1 million)
-Furkan Korkmaz (1 year, $1.7 million)

Why?
-Philly clears roughly $8.7 million off the books for 2019 while swapping out PGs and SFs while getting a potential 1st round pick
-Orlando takes a shot at Fultz as backup PG to Augustine. They take back about $7.7 million in additional salary while getting a distant 2nd.

Simmons/McConnell/Grant
Reddick/Smith/Shamet
Butler/Simmons
Chandler/Muscala/Bolden
Embiid/Johnson/Patton

Augustine/Fultz/Briscoe
Fournier/Korkmaz/Frazier
Ross/Iwundu
Gordon/Isaac/Martin
Vucevic/Bamba/Birch/Mozgov

Bentley1225 · Post #2 » by **Bentley1225** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 10:53 pm

Updated the OP.

the_process · Post #3 » by **the_process** » Sun Dec 16, 2018 11:10 pm

Gotta be Ross instead of Simmons to get in the game.

NotACat · Post #4 » by **NotACat** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:05 am

the_process wrote:Gotta be Ross instead of Simmons to get in the game.

What if it was the Orlando pick top 14 protected instead of the OKC pick?

Magic_Johnny12 · Post #5 » by **Magic_Johnny12** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:35 am

the_process wrote:Gotta be Ross instead of Simmons to get in the game.

Then the FRP turns into a SRP.

It’s either Ross or a FRP, not both.

I much rather give a lottery protected FRP if Philly is stuck on getting a real FRP for Fultz then give up Ross.

Options

Grant
Simmons
‘20 FRP (via OKC)
‘19 SRP (via Cleveland)

Ross
‘19 SRP (via Cleveland)

Grant
Simmons
‘19 FRP (lottery protected)

woosah · Post #6 » by **woosah** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:39 am

I think the magic would rather just give the 10 mil to Ross and keep him next year. Very few magic fans are on board with taking the chance on Fultz, and they drop off when it costs a first. I doubt the FO is interested.

OrlandoDream · Post #7 » by **OrlandoDream** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:45 am

Id do it but Philly wont. People dont realize the risk there is in trading for Fultz. There is so much baggage on this kid. Injury wise, he might never be the same again and the team that trades for him is stuck with that near 10mil per year salary. I know philly is hoping some GM bites into the "potential" and "return to what he was" but there is more risk then rewards trading for Fultz. I rather orlando retain all their assets and go after a more sure PG.

the_process wrote:Gotta be Ross instead of Simmons to get in the game.

Not a chance in hell. Fultz doesnt have that much value. Hes barely worth a FRP right now.

the_process · Post #8 » by **the_process** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:24 am

Simmons is a negative right now, it costs that OKC pick (top 20 protected, only one shot or it becomes two 2nds... and my bet is that it ends up two 2nds) to move him with that 1M guarantee next year. And Grant is the definition of meh.

Ross is expiring, so he also doesn't hold a ton of value.

If those two 2nds and Ross is "too big of a risk" for Fultz and Korkmaz... then I think we all just move on.

the_process · Post #9 » by **the_process** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:25 am

NotACat wrote:
the_process wrote:Gotta be Ross instead of Simmons to get in the game.

What if it was the Orlando pick top 14 protected instead of the OKC pick?

Well, that pick isn't likely to convey this year then IMO. So what are the future protections on it?

Magic_Johnny12 · Post #10 » by **Magic_Johnny12** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 4:43 am

the_process wrote:Simmons is a negative right now, it costs that OKC pick (top 20 protected, only one shot or it becomes two 2nds... and my bet is that it ends up two 2nds) to move him with that 1M guarantee next year. And Grant is the definition of meh.

Ross is expiring, so he also doesn't hold a ton of value.

If those two 2nds and Ross is "too big of a risk" for Fultz and Korkmaz... then I think we all just move on.

Did I just hear that it cost a FRP to move a contract that’s worth 1m?

You win dude :lol:

The irony you saying that and Fultz still being owed 25 million :lol:

youngcrev · Post #11 » by **youngcrev** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 4:50 am

If the Sixers are going to deal Fultz for that weak of a 1st and expiring contracts, I'd at least want those expiring guys to be useful.

dorkestra · Post #12 » by **dorkestra** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 6:21 am

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
the_process wrote:Gotta be Ross instead of Simmons to get in the game.

Then the FRP turns into a SRP.

It’s either Ross or a FRP, not both.

I much rather give a lottery protected FRP if Philly is stuck on getting a real FRP for Fultz then give up Ross.

Options

Grant
Simmons
‘20 FRP (via OKC)
‘19 SRP (via Cleveland)

Ross
‘19 SRP (via Cleveland)

Grant
Simmons
‘19 FRP (lottery protected)

I respect that stance, but if Orlando management said the same, the sensible thing for Philly would just be to either deal with a different team or hold on to him.

Dn4sty · Post #13 » by **Dn4sty** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 6:27 am

the_process wrote:Simmons is a negative right now, it costs that OKC pick (top 20 protected, only one shot or it becomes two 2nds... and my bet is that it ends up two 2nds) to move him with that 1M guarantee next year. And Grant is the definition of meh.

Ross is expiring, so he also doesn't hold a ton of value.

If those two 2nds and Ross is "too big of a risk" for Fultz and Korkmaz... then I think we all just move on.

The 2020 OKC first is all but a lock to confer. The only thing that would mess it up is a major injury. Not sure where you get the idea that it will be two 2nds.

the_process · Post #14 » by **the_process** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 9:03 am

Dn4sty wrote:
the_process wrote:Simmons is a negative right now, it costs that OKC pick (top 20 protected, only one shot or it becomes two 2nds... and my bet is that it ends up two 2nds) to move him with that 1M guarantee next year. And Grant is the definition of meh.

Ross is expiring, so he also doesn't hold a ton of value.

If those two 2nds and Ross is "too big of a risk" for Fultz and Korkmaz... then I think we all just move on.

The 2020 OKC first is all but a lock to confer. The only thing that would mess it up is a major injury. Not sure where you get the idea that it will be two 2nds.

Yeah... I don't know if OKC is a top 4 seed next year. We'll see.

the_process · Post #15 » by **the_process** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 9:03 am

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
the_process wrote:Simmons is a negative right now, it costs that OKC pick (top 20 protected, only one shot or it becomes two 2nds... and my bet is that it ends up two 2nds) to move him with that 1M guarantee next year. And Grant is the definition of meh.

Ross is expiring, so he also doesn't hold a ton of value.

If those two 2nds and Ross is "too big of a risk" for Fultz and Korkmaz... then I think we all just move on.

Did I just hear that it cost a FRP to move a contract that’s worth 1m?

You win dude

The irony you saying that and Fultz still being owed 25 million

Note the bolded. And Fultz is owed 9.7 million with a 12.2M team option for 20-21.

orlando_joe · Post #16 » by **orlando_joe** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:40 am

the_process wrote:
Dn4sty wrote:
the_process wrote:Simmons is a negative right now, it costs that OKC pick (top 20 protected, only one shot or it becomes two 2nds... and my bet is that it ends up two 2nds) to move him with that 1M guarantee next year. And Grant is the definition of meh.

Ross is expiring, so he also doesn't hold a ton of value.

If those two 2nds and Ross is "too big of a risk" for Fultz and Korkmaz... then I think we all just move on.

The 2020 OKC first is all but a lock to confer. The only thing that would mess it up is a major injury. Not sure where you get the idea that it will be two 2nds.

Yeah... I don't know if OKC is a top 4 seed next year. We'll see.

okc just has to be top 6 in the west next yr maybe 7th...lol...and yea ariza got nothing..so ross exp no value ...lol

NotACat · Post #17 » by **NotACat** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:37 pm

the_process wrote:
NotACat wrote:
the_process wrote:Gotta be Ross instead of Simmons to get in the game.

What if it was the Orlando pick top 14 protected instead of the OKC pick?

Well, that pick isn't likely to convey this year then IMO. So what are the future protections on it?

Top 14, top 12, turns into 2 seconds?

the_process · Post #18 » by **the_process** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:52 pm

NotACat wrote:
the_process wrote:
NotACat wrote:What if it was the Orlando pick top 14 protected instead of the OKC pick?

Well, that pick isn't likely to convey this year then IMO. So what are the future protections on it?

Top 14, top 12, turns into 2 seconds?

I'm not convinced that's not two 2nds either, but it's certainly much more interesting than the OKC pick. Can we make it lotto, top 10, top 10, two 2nds?

youngcrev · Post #19 » by **youngcrev** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:12 pm

I'd rather just hang onto Fultz at that value. Even with the Sixers terrible depth, neither of those guys seem like they'd be all that helpful.

NotACat · Post #20 » by **NotACat** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 4:37 pm

the_process wrote:
NotACat wrote:
the_process wrote:
Well, that pick isn't likely to convey this year then IMO. So what are the future protections on it?

Top 14, top 12, turns into 2 seconds?

I'm not convinced that's not two 2nds either, but it's certainly much more interesting than the OKC pick. Can we make it lotto, top 10, top 10, two 2nds?

I mean I'm not the GM but yes, I would do that