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Doc Rivers recounts the Kawhi saga 

Post#1 » by OakleyDokely » Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:05 pm

from the la times

“I got a lot of credit, and so did Jerry West, but the guy that was the hero in all this was Lawrence Frank,” Rivers said. “He did all the work. He had Steve Ballmer going to Raptors games and he went to some, too. We were warned that no more Clippers players, coaches or employees could go to games in Toronto. We were sending guys to go sit in the stands.

“There was nothing wrong with what we were doing, but Steve Ballmer sitting courtside in Toronto seemed a little strange. But we didn’t say a word. We just wanted [Leonard] to know we were there and we were interested.”


“We had a meeting with Kawhi at my house in Malibu and we felt we had the inside position,” Rivers said. “The Lakers had a meeting with Kawhi and they built this whole thing up for him to come to their new practice facility and he said, ‘No, you can come to my hotel room.’ But with us he said, ‘Yes, I’ll come to your house.’ When we heard that it felt like he was telling us he wants to come here.”


“I actually tried to speak to him last season a couple times as he was walking by and you get nothing out of him. Nothing,” Rivers said. “He comes into this meeting and he shakes our hands and he’s talking. We were prepared for a meeting where we would have to drag things out of him. Instead, he’s the one talking and finally he tells us exactly what the deal is.

“He said, ‘I want to play for you,’ and he pointed at me. He said, ‘Mr. Ballmer, I love the things you do and what you stand for, but your team is not good enough and if you don’t change your team, I’m not coming.’ ”


“We actually had a list of guys, which was a mistake, but we got lucky,” Rivers said. “We shouldn’t have had a list, because then he got to choose who he wanted to play with and the assumption was that we could get them. We didn’t know if we could get anybody. We just showed him guys that we thought would match him and when he saw Paul George’s name he said, ‘I want to play with him.’

“We showed him everybody else and he didn’t want to hear it. He just stayed on Paul George, so after the meeting we sat down and I said, ‘We got to get Paul George. I don’t know how we are going to do it, but we have to do it.’ We did know that Oklahoma City wanted to break their team up, so that helped, but we didn’t know if we could get him.”


“Steve Ballmer was nervous about the picks,” Rivers said. “I said, ‘Steve, you keep saying six picks for Paul George is insane, but you’re saying it wrong. It’s not six for Paul; it’s six for Paul and Kawhi. So three for each. I would do that.’ You have to look at it in those terms.”


“The day of the trade at 12 noon the deal was off,” Rivers said. “I was at home in Malibu and Lawrence called me and told me, ‘It looks like he’s either going to Toronto or the Lakers.’ The Lakers part just threw me over. I told him that can’t happen. … I remember I kept telling him, ‘We cannot allow that to happen!’

“I actually told Steve jokingly that if that happens, we’re moving the team to Seattle. It was a joke, but I was actually serious about it. I really believed that.”


“So I’m pulling into the parking lot and the phone rings andit’s Lawrence and he said, ‘Where are you?’ ” Rivers recalled. “I said, ‘I’m walking into Nobu.’ He said, ‘They have terrible reception there! Get out of there! Go somewhere with better reception. The deal is back on!’

“So I go to the side of the road on PCH and we’re going back and forth and we got the deal done. I walked back into Nobu with a whole different attitude. Our waiter was a Lakers fan and the news hadn’t broken yet but I knew. He kept telling me, ‘We’re going to get Kawhi’ and I kept saying, ‘I don’t know about that.’ ”


https://www.latimes.com/sports/clippers/story/2019-09-18/doc-rivers-hero-clippers-signed-kawhi-leonard-paul-george
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Post#2 » by Danny1616 » Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:10 pm

So basically if they couldn't get Paul George he would've stayed in Toronto?
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Post#3 » by bape_lovers » Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:14 pm

probolly going to Lakers

Danny1616 wrote:So basically if they couldn't get Paul George he would've stayed in Toronto?
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Post#4 » by SurgeIblocka » Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:16 pm

Danny1616 wrote:So basically if they couldn't get Paul George he would've stayed in Toronto?


Yup and if we somehow got PG we would have got Kawhi I have no doubt in my mind. Picks are meaningless for a playoff team. The only thing that would hurt would have been giving up Pascal. Man having Kawhi and PG would have been a dream.
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Post#5 » by Anticon » Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:17 pm

Danny1616 wrote:So basically if they couldn't get Paul George he would've stayed in Toronto?


Unlikely. It seems like this was a very effective negotiating position for Kawhi that never had to be tested.

Not to mention the Lakers.

He had no interest in Toronto before the trade and no interest after the season. Just how it was.
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Post#6 » by Slo » Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:18 pm

Did everyone miss the damn part where Kawhi said to Rivers and Balmer i want to come play for you before even having a meeting with us? There was 0% chance he was staying, zero. And **** him for draging us along.
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Post#7 » by flipside21 » Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:19 pm

Shifting the mentality to it being "For PG and Kawhi" totally changes the dynamic - and if it works out it will look like a brilliant move. These are the sorts of overpay moves that are actually game changers and gives you the chance at becoming an outlier (as a positive) within the league. If the injury bug bites it will cripple the franchise in Billy King-ian fashion.

I wonder what it would have looked like for the Raptors to move on Paul George.

Could we have traded 2020, 2022, 2024, OG, and Serge for PG (And, by extension, Kawhi)? The risk/reward profile would be almost identical to the clippers move.
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Post#8 » by duppyy » Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:20 pm

6 picks is a hefty price to pay especially fo ra former scout like Masai. No way he would give up that many picks.
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Post#9 » by siakamthemvp » Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:20 pm

Masai should have said management wants to move the team to San Diego for 2021. Then he would've signed
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Post#10 » by TheBoi10 » Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:21 pm

Danny1616 wrote:So basically if they couldn't get Paul George he would've stayed in Toronto?


He was never going to stay
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Post#11 » by Danny1616 » Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:21 pm

SurgeIblocka wrote:
Danny1616 wrote:So basically if they couldn't get Paul George he would've stayed in Toronto?


Yup and if we somehow got PG we would have got Kawhi I have no doubt in my mind. Picks are meaningless for a playoff team. The only thing that would hurt would have been giving up Pascal. Man having Kawhi and PG would have been a dream.


Well that's the sad part.

Siakim may be a better complementary piece next to Kawhi. He's not a high usage player, he has great court vision for his size, and is only 25 years old with lots of room to improve.

George is a great player, but needs the ball in his hands, isn't a great passer, and has had numerous injury issues.
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Post#12 » by SHFT » Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:24 pm

Little interesting this comes out after the league says they are investigating **** like this...and remember that was done after an owners meeting so doesnt seem like its fluff from Silver to chill out the fans.

Who knows how it all really went down but the Clippers wont rat themselves out.

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Post#13 » by fbalmeida » Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:25 pm

Nothing we didn't already know or suspect but it's nice to have actual Kawhi quotes. Hearing him at the moment he morphed from a free agent to LA Clippers assistant GM and Paul George's life coach, is refreshing.
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Post#14 » by SHFT » Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:26 pm

Slo wrote:Did everyone miss the damn part where Kawhi said to Rivers and Balmer i want to come play for you before even having a meeting with us? There was 0% chance he was staying, zero. And **** him for draging us along.
Nope lol but remember to keep telling ppl that when they say Kawhi would have stayed.

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Post#15 » by Mattd97 » Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:26 pm

I just dont understand the naivety of people who think we could have built a team with those 2. Even if wed paid Kawhi and traded for George. Those two have demanded trades to LA a combined 3 times in the past 3 years, including one summer where one signed a long term deal and this summer where they again chose LA. If they ended up in Toronto theyd be asking for a trade to LA by 2020.
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Post#16 » by Randle McMurphy » Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:46 pm

Uncle Dennis really had all three of these teams jumping through hoops. Everything was a leverage ploy to get Kawhi to the Clippers with another star.
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Post#17 » by gerrit4 » Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:51 pm

It sounds to me like there was a slight chance in Kawhi staying. He probably knew it was possible that the Lakers might get impatient and sign someone else (like Russell), and it was possible that the Clippers don't get PG. Realistically, if the Clips don't get PG, they'd probably get someone else with that sort of package (like Beal), and that probably sways him. Or maybe the Clippers aren't happy about his demands, and he gets put off by their attitude.

So if we're realistic, I think there was probably a 5% chance, as a back-up plan, that he'd come back. It sounds like he wanted to go to LA, but wasn't totally opposed to returning to Toronto.

Considering we won a championship, have one of the best front offices in the league, a solid cap situation, a very good young player, and a city that just turned him into god, I'm still surprised we couldn't keep him. But to each his own I guess. I'm still not mad.
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Post#18 » by Randle McMurphy » Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:53 pm

Danny1616 wrote:So basically if they couldn't get Paul George he would've stayed in Toronto?

That's simply what Uncle Dennis was telling the Clippers to get them to mortgage their future for Paul George. The Clippers never tested that.
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Post#19 » by Danny1616 » Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:56 pm

Randle McMurphy wrote:
Danny1616 wrote:So basically if they couldn't get Paul George he would've stayed in Toronto?

That's simply what Uncle Dennis was telling the Clippers to get them to mortgage their future for Paul George. The Clippers never tested that.


What do you think would happen if the Clippers were unsuccessful in getting George or another star as a 2nd piece?
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