They changed the rule bc Tanking works

NotMyKawhi · Post #1 » by **NotMyKawhi** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 6:56 am

Who's the fav to make the finals this year?

Lakers vs Sixers? Those are the two teams that tanked the most during the tank era. Tanking works in the NBA. Just wait until Emoni bates and Mikey Williams are one year away...there will be lots of tanking teams even w the rule change

it works

bearadonisdna · Post #2 » by **bearadonisdna** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:02 am

NotMyKawhi wrote:Who's the fav to make the finals this year?

Lakers vs Sixers? Those are the two teams that tanked the most during the tank era. Tanking works in the NBA. Just wait until Emoni bates and Mikey Williams are one year away...there will be lots of tanking teams even w the rule change

it works

Also lbj going back to Cleveland. And I’m pretty sure the warriors sucked hard for years.

Edit)
Tanking works, but the new odds make it hardly worth it.
Still a top 10 pick is a top 10 pick.
If a team need help, being in the lottery is better than not, lakers and pelicans made huge jumps in the lotto. The bottom record is the only slot that guarantees a top 5 pick.
Regardless of what ppl may say, a top 5 pick is still very valuable during an offseason,

Dominator83 · Post #3 » by **Dominator83** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:36 am

Funny though how with the Lakers, they had a #7 pick followed by 3 consecutive #2 picks, and none of them are currently still there. They went back to their roots of "we don't have time to deal with young stupid players".

Young guys that are raw tend to get way too overrated and the Lakers weren't buying in to that hype

meekrab · Post #4 » by **meekrab** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:00 am

The Lakers didn't "tank" they were just unintentionally awful because they couldn't get talent to put next to an aging and increasingly bad Kome.

DarthTeufel · Post #5 » by **DarthTeufel** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:03 am

i would say the Finals favorites are Clippers and Milwaukee. two teams that went against tanking/bottoming out.

it's certainly not the Lakers, that's for sure. They are going to be out in the first round.

iLLmatic860 · Post #6 » by **iLLmatic860** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:18 am

DarthTeufel wrote:i would say the Finals favorites are Clippers and Milwaukee. two teams that went against tanking/bottoming out.

it's certainly not the Lakers, that's for sure. They are going to be out in the first round.

Bucks got worse

That Horfors pick up us huge for Philly. Josh Richardson was also a very underrated move for Sixers.

They def are the favorites.

NPZ · Post #7 » by **NPZ** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:41 am

NotMyKawhi wrote:Who's the fav to make the finals this year?

Lakers vs Sixers? Those are the two teams that tanked the most during the tank era. Tanking works in the NBA. Just wait until Emoni bates and Mikey Williams are one year away...there will be lots of tanking teams even w the rule change

it works

The Lakers didn't get a 1st pick during that span unlike the damn Sixers. You're pullin our taffies to suggest that the strategy worked for both of them just the same. Beyond that, I don't agree that both teams tanked as hard as each other. Philly made no bones about blatantly tanking as hard as they could while the Lakers tried to win detrimental games in the final weeks of every bleepin season to fans' disgust and dismay. Sixers were out there with it and fans were actively rooting for "The Plan" (copyright). The Sixers got 1 shot away from the Conf Finals on their picks. Lakers stayed out of the playoffs for 6 years. In reality, it worked well for the Sixers (and would've been even more fruitful if Fultz wasn't an horrific bust, thank you, Jesus). Lakers, not so much, and they had to get lucky to avoid their inevitable pick loss twice in that span. And they got lucky to get the 4th pick this year, but had to relinquish that to the Pels as well. Every guy they got was a development project. Trading and FA is what worked for them. And AD had to help by being disgruntled and wanting to go to the Lakers and, even with that, he's a FA after 1 year. Whatchu talkin bout, Willis?! (Diff'rent Strokes reference, wiki it). Yer not gonna get away with portraying LA's picks as great AFTER they got traded away. For too long we've all read here how all of them were "trash".

VDT · Post #8 » by **VDT** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:18 pm

The only thing that works is having a good FO ( and a little bit of luck). Tanking is just a way to improve your team, without a good FO and/ or luck you will not get anywhere.

Richard Miller · Post #9 » by **Richard Miller** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:26 pm

How did tanking bring LBJ and AD to the Lakers? Or was there some other reason perhaps?

BloodNinja · Post #10 » by **BloodNinja** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:43 pm

DaT WaVeY RiCaN wrote:
DarthTeufel wrote:i would say the Finals favorites are Clippers and Milwaukee. two teams that went against tanking/bottoming out.

it's certainly not the Lakers, that's for sure. They are going to be out in the first round.

Bucks got worse

That Horfors pick up us huge for Philly. Josh Richardson was also a very underrated move for Sixers.

They def are the favorites.

Even if the Bucks got worse and Philly got better is the gap between the two closed? Maybe not.

kazyv · Post #11 » by **kazyv** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:52 pm

there have been like 5 to 10 teams tanking every year in that time span. and what do you know, most of the time the bad teams stay bad while the well lead teams will rise to the top. what tanking did was hide incompetency by gifting a team like cavs lebron. but just because you drafted lebron or embiid doesn't mean you did a good job, it just means you got lucky.

fans all over the league should be against tanking so the frauds get exposed and removed

IAMZOOTED2 · Post #12 » by **IAMZOOTED2** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 1:02 pm

NPZ wrote:
NotMyKawhi wrote:Who's the fav to make the finals this year?

Lakers vs Sixers? Those are the two teams that tanked the most during the tank era. Tanking works in the NBA. Just wait until Emoni bates and Mikey Williams are one year away...there will be lots of tanking teams even w the rule change

it works

The Lakers didn't get a 1st pick during that span unlike the damn Sixers. You're pullin our taffies to suggest that the strategy worked for both of them just the same. Beyond that, I don't agree that both teams tanked as hard as each other. Philly made no bones about blatantly tanking as hard as they could while the Lakers tried to win detrimental games in the final weeks of every bleepin season to fans' disgust and dismay. Sixers were out there with it and fans were actively rooting for "The Plan" (copyright). The Sixers got 1 shot away from the Conf Finals on their picks. Lakers stayed out of the playoffs for 6 years. In reality, it worked well for the Sixers (and would've been even more fruitful if Fultz wasn't an horrific bust, thank you, Jesus). Lakers, not so much, and they had to get lucky to avoid their inevitable pick loss twice in that span. And they got lucky to get the 4th pick this year, but had to relinquish that to the Pels as well. Every guy they got was a development project. Trading and FA is what worked for them. And AD had to help by being disgruntled and wanting to go to the Lakers and, even with that, he's a FA after 1 year. Whatchu talkin bout, Willis?! (Diff'rent Strokes reference, wiki it). Yer not gonna get away with portraying LA's picks as great AFTER they got traded away. For too long we've all read here how all of them were "trash".

Can't find prrof to back it up, but weren't the Lakers (and others?) more consistently worse than the Sixers? The Sixers may have been outright tanking, but they never ended up with the worst record. LA was consistently worse during their tanking days. Verdict: LA did tanking WAY better

NPZ · Post #13 » by **NPZ** » Sun Sep 22, 2019 4:12 pm

IAMZOOTED2 wrote:
NPZ wrote:
NotMyKawhi wrote:Who's the fav to make the finals this year?

Lakers vs Sixers? Those are the two teams that tanked the most during the tank era. Tanking works in the NBA. Just wait until Emoni bates and Mikey Williams are one year away...there will be lots of tanking teams even w the rule change

it works

The Lakers didn't get a 1st pick during that span unlike the damn Sixers. You're pullin our taffies to suggest that the strategy worked for both of them just the same. Beyond that, I don't agree that both teams tanked as hard as each other. Philly made no bones about blatantly tanking as hard as they could while the Lakers tried to win detrimental games in the final weeks of every bleepin season to fans' disgust and dismay. Sixers were out there with it and fans were actively rooting for "The Plan" (copyright). The Sixers got 1 shot away from the Conf Finals on their picks. Lakers stayed out of the playoffs for 6 years. In reality, it worked well for the Sixers (and would've been even more fruitful if Fultz wasn't an horrific bust, thank you, Jesus). Lakers, not so much, and they had to get lucky to avoid their inevitable pick loss twice in that span. And they got lucky to get the 4th pick this year, but had to relinquish that to the Pels as well. Every guy they got was a development project. Trading and FA is what worked for them. And AD had to help by being disgruntled and wanting to go to the Lakers and, even with that, he's a FA after 1 year. Whatchu talkin bout, Willis?! (Diff'rent Strokes reference, wiki it). Yer not gonna get away with portraying LA's picks as great AFTER they got traded away. For too long we've all read here how all of them were "trash".

Can't find prrof to back it up, but weren't the Lakers (and others?) more consistently worse than the Sixers? The Sixers may have been outright tanking, but they never ended up with the worst record. LA was consistently worse during their tanking days. Verdict: LA did tanking WAY better

Lakers didn't tank. Severely flawed were those teams that missed, most of em, anyway. We had dudes like Zo, BI, Randle, Nance, and Clarkson (and D'Lo who shot 410 and 405 in two seasons). Hart shot 407 last year, Rondo 405, Pope is always a net negative. That's all in the era of shooting and with a coach who doesn't practice defense. Read those names again and tell me I'm exaggerating regarding our shooting woes. I like Larry, but he still can't shoot. Then you had Kobe doing his MJ Wizards impression when he should've been retired. Maybe they should've made it into the playoffs last year, but Brawn injury. I think they woulda at least scraped into the 7th/8th seed if not for that. But with him on the bench, you're still talkin about a team that lost to the Knicks and Cavs at home because they were such a poor shooting team from all distances and the FT line. Ingram can't hit treys, Lonzo can't hit anything but treys, I could go on.

And Puke Walton. Lemme go down the list of coaches during my years of fandom: Pat Riley 90, Mike Dunleavy 92, Randy Pfund 94, Magic Johnson 94, Del Harris 99, Kurt Rambis 99, Phil Jackson 04, Rudy Tomjanovich 05, Frank Hamblen 05, Phil Jackson 11, Mike Brown 13, Mike D'Antoni 14, Byron Scott 16, Puke Walton 19, Frank Vogel ??. That's fourteen men and fifteen stints, a few interim, a few longterm, a couple all-time greats, a lot of mediocre ones. By far, Luke Walton was the most irritating POS coach I've ever lived thru. People still marvel at Magic's 16 games in 1994, but I was never convinced that Walton was any less turrible. You don't have to tank when you have Walton as your coach, my friend. A dude who didn't think the team had shooting problems so why bother with a shooting coach. You may scoff at that, but not till you've walked a mile in my shoes. Thanks for letting me vent anyway. We'll check w/ the Kings fans after about 5 months and see what up. Talk about giving them a Trojan horse.

Johnny Bball · Post #14 » by **Johnny Bball** » Sun Sep 22, 2019 4:36 pm

Lol... at the Lakers being the favorites. .. And that they were built by tanking when they weren't trying to actually get better but failing. And that James, the Davis coming to play with James are from tanking. And that the teams that just played in the finals weren't built from tanking.

First Step · Post #15 » by **First Step** » Sun Sep 22, 2019 4:43 pm

Tanking still takes good management. Look at the Sixers. When Colangelo came in he made mistake after mistake. With better management, the Sixers could have their exact same roster, but with Jayson Tatum or De'Aaron Fox on their roster too.

khufure · Post #16 » by **khufure** » Sun Sep 22, 2019 4:44 pm

DaT WaVeY RiCaN wrote:
DarthTeufel wrote:That Horfors pick up us huge for Philly. Josh Richardson was also a very underrated move for Sixers.

The player we've seen in the past is definitely a huge pickup. But Horford has a big time injury history and he's 33. Will he make it through the season and still be impactful? Now you got the double wammy of will he be injured or will he be old to worry about.

SFour · Post #17 » by **SFour** » Sun Sep 22, 2019 4:56 pm

You can't say it works until that Lakers vs Sixers scenario actually happens...because Clippers vs Bucks is just as likely if not more likely in my opinion, which then means I could argue that tanking doesn't work.

TheRealKaboom · Post #18 » by **TheRealKaboom** » Sun Sep 22, 2019 5:18 pm

Richard Miller wrote:How did tanking bring LBJ and AD to the Lakers? Or was there some other reason perhaps?

Free agency brought LeBron to the Lakers. Tanking brought them Anthony Davis.

The plan was to lose enough games in order to acquire enough trade assets in order to get AD.

It worked.

Richard Miller · Post #19 » by **Richard Miller** » Sun Sep 22, 2019 5:23 pm

TheRealKaboom wrote:
The plan was to lose enough games in order to acquire enough trade assets in order to get AD.

It worked.

It worked only because AD wanted to go there and wasn't interested in committing anywhere else, not like other teams didn't have assets as well.

Pennebaker · Post #20 » by **Pennebaker** » Sun Sep 22, 2019 5:26 pm

DarthTeufel wrote:i would say the Finals favorites are Clippers and Milwaukee. two teams that went against tanking/bottoming out.

it's certainly not the Lakers, that's for sure. They are going to be out in the first round.

Kawhi was just in the Finals last year. And he needed a fair bit of luck to get there. So why would he be there again this year on a completely different team? That's highly unlikely. He's not LeBron James, mi hermano. And Paul George, his running mate, is unreliable in the playoffs. And LAC wont be going up against inexperienced stars like Toronto did last year in the East.

As far as the Lakers are concerned - Anthony Davis is the best teammate LeBron has ever had and when he has a teammate like that he goes to the Finals. We all know that's what he does.