Adjusted Team Efficiency Ratings from NBA Math

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Adjusted Team Efficiency Ratings from NBA Math 

Post#1 » by Detective » Sun Dec 1, 2019 4:51 pm

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- Dat large Raps logo looking at the Lakers like a snacc, before eyeing the smaller sized venison portion nearby. Need to feed all those undrafted and G-League hungry mouths.
- C's absorbing the Heat into their collective
- Mavs living off their O-face, I mean Offense
- Pray for ATL
- Kawhi looking North, and remembering fondly
- What are the Pistons even doing?
- Nets and Kings looking to escape their prisons, to freedom
- Pacers.... That's a really small p, fam. But Dipo should boost your fire power when he returns.
- Roxx aka Houston Harden's about to blast off into good company after last night's game.

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Post#2 » by fianchetto » Sun Dec 1, 2019 5:57 pm

Dare I say... east is beast?
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Post#3 » by Reeko » Sun Dec 1, 2019 6:07 pm

Top of the East is better than the top of the West. Lakers have benefitted from a weak schedule. The real contenders are the Raptors, Clippers, Bucks and Celtics.
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Post#4 » by Zombiesonics » Sun Dec 1, 2019 6:10 pm

not surprised, raps celts and bucks are all excellent WELL ROUNDED teams that can win it all this year if things break right. I predict the finals to be the clippers vs one of those teams.
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Post#5 » by Texas Chuck » Sun Dec 1, 2019 6:11 pm

Mavs offense is just silly right now. And the defense is just mediocre enough for them to beat bad teams(outside of the Knicks) and have a puncher's chance against the good ones.
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Post#6 » by cupcakesnake » Sun Dec 1, 2019 6:17 pm

Reeko wrote:Top of the East is better than the top of the West. Lakers have benefitted from a weak schedule. The real contenders are the Raptors, Clippers, Bucks and Celtics.


I don't think it's fair to say that about the Lakers until they actually lose more than a couple games to quality teams. I agree that we shouldn't overrate the Lake Show, but drawing the conclusion that they won't beat good teams isn't substantial yet. They've lost to the Clippers and Raptor but they have beat Utah, Miami and Dallas. Lebron and AD are ridiculous, and although this team is shallow, they have multiple versions of the same kind of player they need (Dwight/Javale, Green/KCP/Avery Bradley, Rondo/Caruso) so they're not as vulnerable to small injuries as I thought they might be. Time will tell but let's stop auto-counting out the Lakers just because we're all haters.

Also, I only count 29 teams on this chart. Where is Miami?
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Post#7 » by bisme37 » Sun Dec 1, 2019 6:20 pm

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Reeko wrote:Top of the East is better than the top of the West. Lakers have benefitted from a weak schedule. The real contenders are the Raptors, Clippers, Bucks and Celtics.


I don't think it's fair to say that about the Lakers until they actually lose more than a couple games to quality teams. I agree that we shouldn't overrate the Lake Show, but drawing the conclusion that they won't beat good teams isn't substantial yet. They've lost to the Clippers and Raptor but they have beat Utah, Miami and Dallas. Lebron and AD are ridiculous, and although this team is shallow, they have multiple versions of the same kind of player they need (Dwight/Javale, Green/KCP/Avery Bradley, Rondo/Caruso) so they're not as vulnerable to small injuries as I thought they might be. Time will tell but let's stop auto-counting out the Lakers just because we're all haters.

Also, I only count 29 teams on this chart. Where is Miami?


I think Miami is poking out behind Boston if you look really closely.
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Post#8 » by bisme37 » Sun Dec 1, 2019 6:22 pm

The weird part to me is how the Celtics are any good when RGM says all our players suck lol.

Kemba is a fraud, Tatum and Brown have regressed, Hayward is washed (and not playing right now anyway), no good big men, etc.

The team's success is a true mystery.
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Post#9 » by Texas Chuck » Sun Dec 1, 2019 6:25 pm

bisme37 wrote:The weird part to me is how the Celtics are any good when RGM says all our players suck lol.

Kemba is a fraud, Tatum and Brown have regressed, Hayward is washed (and not playing right now anyway), no good big men, etc.

The team's success is a true mystery.



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Post#10 » by MarcusBrody » Sun Dec 1, 2019 6:27 pm

jamaalstar21 wrote:
Reeko wrote:Top of the East is better than the top of the West. Lakers have benefitted from a weak schedule. The real contenders are the Raptors, Clippers, Bucks and Celtics.


I don't think it's fair to say that about the Lakers until they actually lose more than a couple games to quality teams. I agree that we shouldn't overrate the Lake Show, but drawing the conclusion that they won't beat good teams isn't substantial yet. They've lost to the Clippers and Raptor but they have beat Utah, Miami and Dallas. Lebron and AD are ridiculous, and although this team is shallow, they have multiple versions of the same kind of player they need (Dwight/Javale, Green/KCP/Avery Bradley, Rondo/Caruso) so they're not as vulnerable to small injuries as I thought they might be. Time will tell but let's stop auto-counting out the Lakers just because we're all haters.


Does the "Adjusted" part mean that the ratings take into consideration the strength of opponent? I know that factors in on heir rolling team ratings which I assume are somewhat based on these stats.
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Post#11 » by yoyoboy » Sun Dec 1, 2019 6:29 pm

Reeko wrote:Top of the East is better than the top of the West. Lakers have benefitted from a weak schedule. The real contenders are the Raptors, Clippers, Bucks and Celtics.

Only the Clippers and Bucks are “real contenders” as currently constructed. Toronto and Boston can’t beat either of those teams in a 7 game series. And it’s doubtful they could even beat LA or Houston.
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Post#12 » by Detective » Sun Dec 1, 2019 6:30 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:Mavs offense is just silly right now. And the defense is just mediocre enough for them to beat bad teams(outside of the Knicks) and have a puncher's chance against the good ones.


I hope Mod Dirk is okay. This Mavs' Offense may be too much for him to handle. It's like a drug.

MarcusBrody wrote:Does the "Adjusted" part mean that the ratings take into consideration the strength of opponent? I know that factors in on heir rolling team ratings which I assume are somewhat based on these stats.


Yes, it does. That's why you see certain teams in the Good O/Good D portion of the chart(and elsewhere), but with a tiny logo(or larger logo on the Bad O/Bad D parts), because while they are doing well, they have essentially had an easy schedule to help with that.
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Post#13 » by Reeko » Sun Dec 1, 2019 6:30 pm

jamaalstar21 wrote:
Reeko wrote:Top of the East is better than the top of the West. Lakers have benefitted from a weak schedule. The real contenders are the Raptors, Clippers, Bucks and Celtics.


I don't think it's fair to say that about the Lakers until they actually lose more than a couple games to quality teams. I agree that we shouldn't overrate the Lake Show, but drawing the conclusion that they won't beat good teams isn't substantial yet. They've lost to the Clippers and Raptor but they have beat Utah, Miami and Dallas. Lebron and AD are ridiculous, and although this team is shallow, they have multiple versions of the same kind of player they need (Dwight/Javale, Green/KCP/Avery Bradley, Rondo/Caruso) so they're not as vulnerable to small injuries as I thought they might be. Time will tell but let's stop auto-counting out the Lakers just because we're all haters.

Also, I only count 29 teams on this chart. Where is Miami?


I know I'm being unfair. I just cannot stand the attention and praise they get when they have benefitted from a weak schedule yet a lot of the pundits constantly spew this narrative of them having the best record in the league without providing the proper context.
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Post#14 » by Dirk » Sun Dec 1, 2019 6:35 pm

jamaalstar21 wrote:Where is Miami?

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Post#15 » by MarcusBrody » Sun Dec 1, 2019 6:37 pm

Detective wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:Mavs offense is just silly right now. And the defense is just mediocre enough for them to beat bad teams(outside of the Knicks) and have a puncher's chance against the good ones.


I hope Mod Dirk is okay. This Mavs' Offense may be too much for him to handle. It's like a drug.

MarcusBrody wrote:Does the "Adjusted" part mean that the ratings take into consideration the strength of opponent? I know that factors in on heir rolling team ratings which I assume are somewhat based on these stats.


Yes, it does. That's why you see certain teams in the Good O/Good D portion of the chart(and elsewhere), but with a tiny logo(or larger logo on the Bad O/Bad D parts), because while they are doing well, they have essentially had an easy schedule to help with that.


Thanks. I couldn't tell if it was factored into the actual numerical ranking or just into the scaling of the logos.
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Post#16 » by Optms » Sun Dec 1, 2019 6:45 pm

Reeko wrote:Top of the East is better than the top of the West. Lakers have benefitted from a weak schedule. The real contenders are the Raptors, Clippers, Bucks and Celtics.


:lol:

So fortunate Lebron is in the West now because he'd be fathering the Raptors again on his lap as usual. Kawhi isn't around to bail you guys out either.
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Post#17 » by jehosafats » Sun Dec 1, 2019 6:49 pm

Where the hell does Miami fit into this picture?
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Post#18 » by Detective » Sun Dec 1, 2019 6:53 pm

Mighty Quinn wrote:Where the hell does Miami fit into this picture?


C's are sitting on them.
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Post#19 » by fianchetto » Sun Dec 1, 2019 7:03 pm

Optms wrote:
Reeko wrote:Top of the East is better than the top of the West. Lakers have benefitted from a weak schedule. The real contenders are the Raptors, Clippers, Bucks and Celtics.


:lol:

So fortunate Lebron is in the West now because he'd be fathering the Raptors again on his lap as usual. Kawhi isn't around to bail you guys out either.


LeBron’s got his own father to worry about. Father Time. Nice bait post :wink:
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Post#20 » by greekbuck34 » Sun Dec 1, 2019 7:04 pm

This is the updated graph. Bucks take the lead and the Pacers still barely visible despite losing against Philly.

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