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Do We Owe Patrick Mccaw An Appology? (For Real)

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Do We Owe Patrick Mccaw An Appology? (For Real) 

Post#1 » by NinjaBro » Mon Aug 3, 2020 9:14 pm

After watching these last 2 high intensity games in the bubble I'm starting to finally see what Nick Nurse is seeing in Mccaw. Seeing Powell, Davis, RHJ, Matt Thomas running around like headless chickens when elite teams are applying the pressure is really making me appreciate what Mccaw does. He's so fundamentally sound and makes all the right defensive plays. He's got great length and causes a lot of disruptions on the defensive end for the other team.

I don't ever recall Mccaw making a careless turnover or a bone headed play. Sure he doesn't provide us the scoring punch as the other guys but I'd much rather have someone in who's always making the right plays and gets our guys going.

I think I'm starting to appreciate Mccaw a lot more now. What do you guys think? Discuss.
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Post#2 » by bluerap23 » Mon Aug 3, 2020 9:23 pm

Our bench has looked terrible. Norm has turned into bad Norm. Serge has turned back into butter fingers. RHJ looks like pre-season RHJ. TD looks like a rook (his mask game is messing with his Mojo). That said - we really only need Norm and Serge in the playoffs and they will be fine. McCaw is not the answer.
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Post#3 » by kassian » Mon Aug 3, 2020 9:32 pm

No.

McCaw, as someone who has watched practically every game the past two seasons, is not that good defensively. He gets beat off the dribble easily too. And his offensive backhole tendency just counteract anything he might provide defensively (which is slightly above average defense). Besides, our team is doing great without him. Gives an opportunity to others to show what they have. This guy always rode 25 to 30 minutes consistently and never showed anything besides glimpses of decent defense.
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Post#4 » by Zeno » Mon Aug 3, 2020 9:38 pm

I think this has more to do with apologies to Nurse than McCaw who has never been more than a placeholder. Nurse obviously has been managing TD’s performance fluctuations through McCaw.

I don’t think this means McCaw is good in any way.
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Post#5 » by Alfred » Mon Aug 3, 2020 9:43 pm

Defense off the bench isn't the problem. The Raptors aren't getting any offensive contribution from the bench. Patrick McCaw is one of the worst offensive players in the league, so he would exacerbate the problems we've been having, rather than solving them.
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Post#6 » by will » Mon Aug 3, 2020 9:46 pm

Uh...better keep this thread away from Randle McMurphy...
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Post#7 » by Fairview4Life » Mon Aug 3, 2020 9:49 pm

will wrote:Uh...better keep this thread away from Randle McMurphy...


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Post#8 » by 2019nbachamps » Mon Aug 3, 2020 9:51 pm

This thread is ridiculous.

The question is: should Mccaw be playing 25 mpg like he was prior to the pandemic?

Just because our other bench options are inconsistent doesn't mean he deserves those minutes.

TD and Norm are waaaaay better players than Mccaw.

RHJ vs Mccaw is a fair debate.

Thomas is out there as a 3 pt threat, nothing else.

Mccaw brings nothing to the table. He's like a 200 hitter in baseball... But wait, "at least he doesn't swing at bad pitches".
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Post#9 » by Kabookalu » Mon Aug 3, 2020 9:54 pm

The only thing he does well is do an average job of running the offense. That doesn't warrant all the playing time he gets. Not like he's a high end playmaker either, he just doesn't make stupid decisions.
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Post#10 » by LoveMyRaps » Mon Aug 3, 2020 9:57 pm

LOL We won two games in a row without that bum - against two of the best teams in the league.
No we don't owe him an apology.

Though TD struggling mightily and not being able to capitalize on McCaw's absence sucks and means McCaw will more than likely take over his minutes once he's back.
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Post#11 » by ItsDanger » Mon Aug 3, 2020 9:57 pm

I don't mind McCaw getting 8-10 minutes. I just don't want to see 20+ minutes.
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Post#12 » by KrazyP » Mon Aug 3, 2020 10:16 pm

Of all the rotation players on the the team, McCaw has the worst defensive and offensive rating by a decent margin. ALso the worst PER, worst ws/48, worst VORP and worst ts% despite having the lowest usage.

HE IS NOT GOOD.
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Post#13 » by rrdjutriurt » Mon Aug 3, 2020 10:19 pm

NinjaBro wrote:I don't ever recall Mccaw making a careless turnover or a bone headed play.
Wait, what. On offence Patrick made many bonehead plays and turnovers this year which is why many of us got turned off of him. The bench has struggled for sure but they will get better as they get more floor time once we nab that second seed.

I'm sure Patrick will get his playing time in as we rest Kyle and Freddie because we can't keep playing them two, this many minutes if they are to stay healthy and ready for the playoffs. Especially Freddie because he often seems to get injured after we drive him too hard and play him too many minutes over too many games.
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Post#14 » by bon » Mon Aug 3, 2020 10:35 pm

You don't remember the last regular season game vs Portland?
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Post#15 » by Raps in 4 » Mon Aug 3, 2020 10:39 pm

McCaw is a below average defender, and possibly the worst offensive player in the league. We are missing nothing.
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Post#16 » by Randle McMurphy » Mon Aug 3, 2020 10:50 pm

Is this satire? Nurse handed him 20 minutes a game despite being one of the worst players in the league and destroying the team’s offense whenever he stepped on the court. They play 4 on 5 if he’s in the game.

I seriously don’t think some people will realize just how bad this guy is until he costs them a playoff game, but let’s hope we’ve seen the last of him in the rotation this year.
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Post#17 » by DelAbbot » Mon Aug 3, 2020 11:29 pm

Yes we owe an apology to Mccaw. Now we are unshackled from having to play McCaw any mins, we are beating elite teams. Mccaw was our training challenge to reach the next level.
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Post#18 » by Basketball_Jones » Mon Aug 3, 2020 11:42 pm

Funny because I don’t see any disruptions or intangibles on defense he brings. McCaw gets routinely torched on close outs, Miami shooters would have had a field day. And he’s certainly made some bone headed turnovers. What exactly would he have done out there? Score? Make plays? No stats support he does anything out there. It’s so ridiculous it pisses me off
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Post#19 » by kj_ » Mon Aug 3, 2020 11:51 pm

NinjaBro wrote:After watching these last 2 high intensity games in the bubble I'm starting to finally see what Nick Nurse is seeing in Mccaw. Seeing Powell, Davis, RHJ, Matt Thomas running around like headless chickens when elite teams are applying the pressure is really making me appreciate what Mccaw does. He's so fundamentally sound and makes all the right defensive plays. He's got great length and causes a lot of disruptions on the defensive end for the other team.

I don't ever recall Mccaw making a careless turnover or a bone headed play. Sure he doesn't provide us the scoring punch as the other guys but I'd much rather have someone in who's always making the right plays and gets our guys going.

I think I'm starting to appreciate Mccaw a lot more now. What do you guys think? Discuss.

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Post#20 » by C_Money » Mon Aug 3, 2020 11:52 pm

That word “intangibles” gets thrown around a lot and I don’t think people who use it even know what they’re talking about. Patrick McCaw doesn’t bring “intangibles”. He doesn’t bring anything.
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