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"Slater cites the Warriors' currently luxury tax bill combined with the uncertainty over the reopening of the Chase Center as reasons for the hesitation. "

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/259939/Warriors-To-Only-Use-$172-Million-Trade-Exception-For-Special-Opportunity

It just shows what we talk about a lot on the Trade Board. Money always matters even though fans just see it as billionaires should spend whatever it takes when you have a contender. There is always a budget, and its unlikely there is a player gettable with their assets that justifies the added expense.

It's why the Russell decision was so short-sighted. They'd be in much better shape had they simply let KD walk. I know they thought they'd still be good with Curry and Draymond, but knowing they had no Klay and no depth I think that was overly optimistic particularly since Russell was never going to be a great fit with Curry.

They managed to pull back a nice asset in the Wiggins swap, but he's worse on the court than Russell so he's harder to trade for a good player using the picks and if you keep him that means you need even more help, but now the money gets in the way.

I think if they could go back they don't make the Russell signing. Now they should use both picks to turn Wiggins into the best role players they can and try and win. But according to Zach Lowe their expectations for #2 are absurd at the moment. We will see if they come down to a reasonable level, but just adding a high draft pick to their current roster I don't see them as a contender.

Texas Chuck wrote:It just shows what we talk about a lot on the Trade Board. Money always matters even though fans just see it as billionaires should spend whatever it takes when you have a contender. There is always a budget, and its unlikely there is a player gettable with their assets that justifies the added expense.

It's why the Russell decision was so short-sighted. They'd be in much better shape had they simply let KD walk. I know they thought they'd still be good with Curry and Draymond, but knowing they had no Klay and no depth I think that was overly optimistic particularly since Russell was never going to be a great fit with Curry.

They managed to pull back a nice asset in the Wiggins swap, but he's worse on the court than Russell so he's harder to trade for a good player using the picks and if you keep him that means you need even more help, but now the money gets in the way.

I think if they could go back they don't make the Russell signing. Now they should use both picks to turn Wiggins into the best role players they can and try and win. But according to Zach Lowe their expectations for #2 are absurd at the moment. We will see if they come down to a reasonable level, but just adding a high draft pick to their current roster I don't see them as a contender.

They would have lost the additional max salary slot and any way to add players to the team besides MLE and veterans minimum...

Wiggins is not worse than Dlo for GSW who have a great need for a wing with size and very low need for a ball dominant lead guard. Context matters. Wiggins for all his flaws does things GSW need and he can be flipped for up to max salary. That's far better than having literally nothing or being able to use the 17 mil tpe freely which by the way what good players not on rookie contract are available for that anyway.

whatisacenter wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:It just shows what we talk about a lot on the Trade Board. Money always matters even though fans just see it as billionaires should spend whatever it takes when you have a contender. There is always a budget, and its unlikely there is a player gettable with their assets that justifies the added expense.

It's why the Russell decision was so short-sighted. They'd be in much better shape had they simply let KD walk. I know they thought they'd still be good with Curry and Draymond, but knowing they had no Klay and no depth I think that was overly optimistic particularly since Russell was never going to be a great fit with Curry.

They managed to pull back a nice asset in the Wiggins swap, but he's worse on the court than Russell so he's harder to trade for a good player using the picks and if you keep him that means you need even more help, but now the money gets in the way.

I think if they could go back they don't make the Russell signing. Now they should use both picks to turn Wiggins into the best role players they can and try and win. But according to Zach Lowe their expectations for #2 are absurd at the moment. We will see if they come down to a reasonable level, but just adding a high draft pick to their current roster I don't see them as a contender.

They would have lost the additional max salary slot and any way to add players to the team besides MLE and veterans minimum...

The max salary slot is currently occupied by Andrew Wiggins. They'd be better off not having that and then they could use their $17M TPE on a player who helps more and is far cheaper. Or more likely they never give up a future pick to dump Iggy and so they have more assets and could use the full MLE--again getting a player who helps more than Wiggins.

Only way this course of action was better is if Andrew Wiggins plays in a way Andrew Wiggins never has. Seems very very unlikely that's he's suddenly going to defend, and make 3's and be okay with much lower usage.

Funny thing is Wiggins is in fact playing like never before, reaching career high in 3PAr, and reverting back to the high FTr of his early years. That's without the benefit of playing with curry and klay.

I don't know if this works, but could GSW take on Schroeder's salary (15M) from OKC to help them reduce salary and scoop up some of those future 1st round draft picks to sweeten the pot for a Giannis trade. Would OKC do that? Adams would be the better salary dump (25M), but the TPE isn't big enough and I don't believe it can be combined with any combination of money or players.

Jabroni Lames wrote:I don't know if this works, but could GSW take on Schroeder's salary (15M) from OKC to help them reduce salary and scoop up some of those future 1st round draft picks to sweeten the pot for a Giannis trade. Would OKC do that? Adams would be the better salary dump (25M), but the TPE isn't big enough and I don't believe it can be combined with any combination of money or players.

OKC has no reason to cost cut. They especially have no reason to pay assets for it

Short sided? Who could have predicted a global pandemic. No offense but you’re thinking short sided if anything. The issues being raised in that link are purely because of the loss of revenue from match day fans.

If they let KD walk they wouldn’t have been able to get anyone other than cheap vets to replace him. They got Dlo which the dipped for a better (albeit overpriced) fit in Wiggins and a top pick next year or the following year.

That was a brilliant piece of business. They also managed to get under the repeater tax this year.

Texas Chuck wrote:

whatisacenter wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:It just shows what we talk about a lot on the Trade Board. Money always matters even though fans just see it as billionaires should spend whatever it takes when you have a contender. There is always a budget, and its unlikely there is a player gettable with their assets that justifies the added expense.

It's why the Russell decision was so short-sighted. They'd be in much better shape had they simply let KD walk. I know they thought they'd still be good with Curry and Draymond, but knowing they had no Klay and no depth I think that was overly optimistic particularly since Russell was never going to be a great fit with Curry.

They managed to pull back a nice asset in the Wiggins swap, but he's worse on the court than Russell so he's harder to trade for a good player using the picks and if you keep him that means you need even more help, but now the money gets in the way.

I think if they could go back they don't make the Russell signing. Now they should use both picks to turn Wiggins into the best role players they can and try and win. But according to Zach Lowe their expectations for #2 are absurd at the moment. We will see if they come down to a reasonable level, but just adding a high draft pick to their current roster I don't see them as a contender.

They would have lost the additional max salary slot and any way to add players to the team besides MLE and veterans minimum...

The max salary slot is currently occupied by Andrew Wiggins. They'd be better off not having that and then they could use their $17M TPE on a player who helps more and is far cheaper. Or more likely they never give up a future pick to dump Iggy and so they have more assets and could use the full MLE--again getting a player who helps more than Wiggins.

Only way this course of action was better is if Andrew Wiggins plays in a way Andrew Wiggins never has. Seems very very unlikely that's he's suddenly going to defend, and make 3's and be okay with much lower usage.

only time will tell...TPE's are tricky to use and I think the MLE would still be a tax payer level regardless of the 4th max salary slot or not. I'm excited to see what the Warriors look like next season.

BK_2020 wrote:Wiggins is not worse than Dlo for GSW who have a great need for a wing with size and very low need for a ball dominant lead guard. Context matters. Wiggins for all his flaws does things GSW need and he can be flipped for up to max salary. That's far better than having literally nothing or being able to use the 17 mil tpe freely which by the way what good players not on rookie contract are available for that anyway.

You nailed it.

And special opportunity could be one where another team attaches picks that are no brainers. But yeah the cost is huge. They can still use it for a much lower salaried player that really fits their roster and a need. Doesn't have to be a guy that is in the 17 mil range.

If they decide to go all in and take on the cost, they could gamble that things work really well....and if need be, they could make a blockbuster deal at the deadline if the team isn't playing well, or God forbid Stepjh or Klay get injured. They could potentially reduce the big tax hit by making moves before the fiscal season ends. Not likely.

whatisacenter wrote:
only time will tell...TPE's are tricky to use and I think the MLE would still be a tax payer level regardless of the 4th max salary slot or not. I'm excited to see what the Warriors look like next season.

I am too. Golden State a fascinating team to watch. I think Steph will play at an MVP level and I expect Draymond to be a top 20 type player again. He's such a great player, but in a complementary way. He can't do as much to elevate a bad team, but he takes good teams and makes them great. I feel less sure about Klay, but if he's even 80% of himself that still a formidable trio. It's just the Lakers, the Clippers, the Nuggets are all so good. Chris Paul is floating around there and could really elevate a team. And even the non-contenders are more dangerous than usual. Only the Spurs and Kings figure to be out of the mix in the conference.

I just think Wiggins is a really bad allocation of resources. He's been a mediocre scorer who doesn't defend, rebound, draw fouls, or provide much playmaking. He doesn't space the floor for better players. These aren't attributes that complement your stars and he's shown no growth pretty much his entire career but even more since he got paid. Maybe a better organization motivates him finally, but the one year the Wolves were good was by far his worst year--again showing playing with a star like Butler he was unable to be useful in a complementary role.

Scares me for the Warriors.

Mylie10 wrote:

BK_2020 wrote:Wiggins is not worse than Dlo for GSW who have a great need for a wing with size and very low need for a ball dominant lead guard. Context matters. Wiggins for all his flaws does things GSW need and he can be flipped for up to max salary. That's far better than having literally nothing or being able to use the 17 mil tpe freely which by the way what good players not on rookie contract are available for that anyway.

You nailed it.

And special opportunity could be one where another team attaches picks that are no brainers. But yeah the cost is huge. They can still use it for a much lower salaried player that really fits their roster and a need. Doesn't have to be a guy that is in the 17 mil range.

If they decide to go all in and take on the cost, they could gamble that things work really well....and if need be, they could make a blockbuster deal at the deadline if the team isn't playing well, or God forbid Stepjh or Klay get injured. They could potentially reduce the big tax hit by making moves before the fiscal season ends. Not likely.

The problem with the Wiggins not having the ball argument helping him be a better player is that he’s not very good at any of the off-ball skills. So he actually doesn’t do any of the things that GS needs as the previous argument stated. GS didn’t want Wiggins instead of Russell, they just had to take him to get the lotto pick.

I still think GS won that trade but they will dump Wiggins at first opportunity.

They've gone from "light years" to "tight rears"

Nobody ever expected them to use it just for sake of using it.

this could also just be a tactic to get better deals.I dont think The warriors would blink at paying luxury tax for an eric gordon level player.

TrueFan420 wrote:Short sided? Who could have predicted a global pandemic. No offense but you’re thinking short sided if anything. The issues being raised in that link are purely because of the loss of revenue from match day fans.

If they let KD walk they wouldn’t have been able to get anyone other than cheap vets to replace him. They got Dlo which the dipped for a better (albeit overpriced) fit in Wiggins and a top pick next year or the following year.

That was a brilliant piece of business. They also managed to get under the repeater tax this year.

The pandemic will never out last a championship.

I'm sure these owners are going to make money once everything clears. It will be very shortsighted to use the pandemic as an excuse to not win

If the cap is cut to reflect actual income, their luxury tax bill goes from 40 million to 160 million. There is no way they are adding more salary this year.

TrueFan420 wrote:Short sided? Who could have predicted a global pandemic. No offense but you’re thinking short sided if anything. The issues being raised in that link are purely because of the loss of revenue from match day fans.

If they let KD walk they wouldn’t have been able to get anyone other than cheap vets to replace him. They got Dlo which the dipped for a better (albeit overpriced) fit in Wiggins and a top pick next year or the following year.

That was a brilliant piece of business. They also managed to get under the repeater tax this year.

Don't bother trying to reason with texaschuck, hes one of those people who doesn't like if you back up your arguments using facts, logic or god-forbid statistics, especially fbi statistics.