ImageImageImageImageImage

Game 1 & Season Preview: LA Clippers (0-0) @ LA Lakers (0-0) Dec. 22 10 PM PCT / 7 PM EST

Moderators: og15, TrueLAfan

Wammy Giveaway
Veteran
Posts: 2,551
And1: 1,154
Joined: Jul 30, 2013

Game 1 & Season Preview: LA Clippers (0-0) @ LA Lakers (0-0) Dec. 22 10 PM PCT / 7 PM EST 

Post#1 » by Wammy Giveaway » Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:21 pm

Shame. Embarrassment. Humiliated. Laughingstock. It was not too long ago that the Clippers blew a second 3-1 lead in franchise history to a team they should have mopped off the court because math: 2nd is better than 3rd. The ramifications of the collapse were catastrophic enough that another omen could be on the horizon.

Spoiler:
A quick review: teams who suffer 3-1 collapses are usually forced into painful rebuilds, some losing their superstars to teams who conjured the collapse, missing the playoffs for a number of years, or both. Here's what happen to the Clippers the first time:

2015: Houston Rockets over Los Angeles Clippers in Western Conference 2nd Round
- Lost superstar Chris Paul via trade to Houston Rockets two years after collapse
- Lost superstar Blake Griffin via trade to Detroit Pistons three years after collapse, allowing DeAndre Jordan to leave in free agency
- Missed playoffs in 2017-18, return to Sterling days of Clipper yore

Healing
- Acquired Jerry West as consultant and demoted Doc Rivers
- Traded Austin Rivers, son of Doc Rivers, to Washington Wizards to erase perception of nepotism
- Became fourth team in history to make the playoffs without an All-Star in 2019
- Traded for superstar Paul George in order to sign superstar Kawhi Leonard, saving league parity

Now the second time:

2020: Denver Nuggets over Utah Jazz AND Los Angeles Clippers in Western Conference 1st and 2nd Rounds
- First time in NBA history a team overcame back-to-back 3-1 leads
- For Clippers, only team among repeat offenders 76ers and Suns to blow 3-1 leads in record time (for context, Suns blew it in 25 years, 76ers 13 years, Clippers 5 years)
- Doc Rivers was fired
- Lost Sixth Man winner Montrezl Harrell to NBA champion Los Angeles Lakers

Healing (Jazz)
- TBD

Healing (Clippers)
- TBD


Replacing the old school stubborn ways of Doc Rivers is his assistant coach and protege Tyronn Lue, who at least displays a little more knowledge; Ka-Triangle Leonard anyone? Oh kay, so maybe Lue is just another lame duck coach in the vein of Vinny Del Negro who had LeBron James as his player when he won his first championship. But Lue gets the credit as first coach in NBA history to overcome a 3-1 series deficit in the NBA Finals, and that alone makes him a curse breaker. Is he right up there with MLB's Theo Epstein who helped break a combined 190 years of World Series droughts between the Chicago Cubs and Boston Red Sox, the latter needing a 3-0 miracle comeback?

Not lost in all the noise are home grown products Kawhi Leonard and Paul George - one who's all business and no gimmicks, the other a free spirited player - together sharing the blemishes that was a pitiful Game 7 en route to their collapse. Leonard comes from the San Antonio Spurs mold who learned from Tim Duncan about egos, distractions and playing with a purpose, winning two Finals MVPs in Texas and Toronto. George was a part of the grit-and-grind Indiana Pacers with Roy Hibbert, George Hill, David West and Lance Stephenson, the east coast Grizzlies. Leadership should come from one of your superstars, if not both, but Leonard and George seem uninterested in commanding the lot. When your leaders are role players, specialists who come off the bench to provide some kind of spark like Patrick Beverley, Lou Williams and the departed Montrezl Harrell - you have an identity crisis. Either the Clippers wanted to be Cinderella, a beloved underdog, or Azula, a manipulative fierce and obsessive competitor. Sound familiar? Yes - Chris Paul, the very player who made the Clippers relevant and liked in the first couple of years before the arrival of Doc Rivers soured their welcome and their antics only making things worse. The 3-1 collapse made the basketball world angry.

Now the Clippers are being taken shots at everywhere they go, from the off-season, to free agency, and even the pre-season. Accusations of special treatment, a total disregard to competition and tampering. They have to watch their arch nemesis Big Brother Lakers get their rings in the first game of the season with Harrell on the dark side, followed by a revenge game against the Denver Nuggets who also took a former Clipper in JaMychal Green. The play-in tournament could play a factor too, with the Warriors, Kings, and Timberwolves wanting to get in. And then there's the Suns, a 10-year lottery team that is now BACK in the playoffs thanks to the addition of CP3.

Not only will every team want to defeat the other L.A. team with a passion as a sort of revenge for ruining the Battle Of L.A. (a massive ratings and profits grab), they will want to do so while carrying the title of "first team to get Kawhi Leonard ejected from a game." That's my bold prediction. Paul George will also be a target for other teams to try and get riled up and out of the game. If George, Leonard or both get tossed, it will permanently cement the Clippers as an irredeemable franchise. The 3-1 collapse has made the Clippers the greatest bullseye in NBA history, and every opponent will see to it that they suffer a second longest playoff drought in NBA history for all the grief and trouble they caused for their existence.

All the Clippers can do right now is weather the storm. Be on their best behavior, take competition seriously, and get along. It's a tall ask for a franchise that has only known losing for all their lives, but a lot of things are at stake. Clippers can lose Leonard and George, even with the latter's extension. They have no draft picks for the next few years, plus a couple more if Wilkes wins his court case. Their right to playoff contention is on the line. This could literally be the Clipper's last and only chance to win their first ever championship, and with all the odds stacked against them, the pressure is at an all time high. No other team in sports history has ever felt something like this.

This is going to be the most difficult season in their franchise lives. Can the Clippers pull off a 180 before it is too late?
nickhx2
RealGM
Posts: 10,576
And1: 6,476
Joined: Feb 13, 2014

Re: Season Preview: Los Angeles Clippers / Game 1: LA Clippers (0-0) @ LA Lakers (0-0) 10 PM PCT / 7 PM EST 

Post#2 » by nickhx2 » Tue Dec 22, 2020 12:25 am

cool story but what day is this game
Wammy Giveaway
Veteran
Posts: 2,551
And1: 1,154
Joined: Jul 30, 2013

Re: Season Preview: Los Angeles Clippers / Game 1: LA Clippers (0-0) @ LA Lakers (0-0) 10 PM PCT / 7 PM EST 

Post#3 » by Wammy Giveaway » Tue Dec 22, 2020 12:38 am

nickhx2 wrote:cool story but what day is this game


Added the date.
User avatar
esqtvd
RealGM
Posts: 12,090
And1: 4,829
Joined: Jun 24, 2017
Location: LA LA LA LAND
Contact:
     

Re: Season Preview: Los Angeles Clippers / Game 1: LA Clippers (0-0) @ LA Lakers (0-0) 10 PM PCT / 7 PM EST 

Post#4 » by esqtvd » Tue Dec 22, 2020 12:40 am

Wammy Giveaway wrote:Shame. Embarrassment. Humiliated. Laughingstock. It was not too long ago that the Clippers blew a second 3-1 lead in franchise history to a team they should have mopped off the court because math: 2nd is better than 3rd. The ramifications of the collapse were catastrophic enough that another omen could be on the horizon.

...


The 3-1 collapse has made the Clippers the greatest bullseye in NBA history, and every opponent will see to it that they suffer a second longest playoff drought in NBA history for all the grief and trouble they caused for their existence.

All the Clippers can do right now is weather the storm. Be on their best behavior, take competition seriously, and get along. It's a tall ask for a franchise that has only known losing for all their lives, but a lot of things are at stake. Clippers can lose Leonard and George, even with the latter's extension. They have no draft picks for the next few years, plus a couple more if Wilkes wins his court case. Their right to playoff contention is on the line. This could literally be the Clipper's last and only chance to win their first ever championship, and with all the odds stacked against them, the pressure is at an all time high. No other team in sports history has ever felt something like this.

This is going to be the most difficult season in their franchise lives. Can the Clippers pull off a 180 before it is too late?


whoa hardcore bro
makes Jovan and me look like cheerleaders :lol:

Image
Image Are We Having Fun Yet?
KL2
Assistant Coach
Posts: 4,229
And1: 2,444
Joined: Jul 09, 2019
Location: California
     

Re: Game 1 & Season Preview: LA Clippers (0-0) @ LA Lakers (0-0) Dec. 22 10 PM PCT / 7 PM EST 

Post#5 » by KL2 » Tue Dec 22, 2020 1:09 am

Read on Twitter
TheNewEra
RealGM
Posts: 28,946
And1: 10,672
Joined: Aug 28, 2008
Location: Lob City
       

Re: Game 1 & Season Preview: LA Clippers (0-0) @ LA Lakers (0-0) Dec. 22 10 PM PCT / 7 PM EST 

Post#6 » by TheNewEra » Tue Dec 22, 2020 1:20 am

Morris knee issue to start the year after months off sucks. Don’t know if going small against the lakers will be a smart idea and especially with Ibaka having his little nagging injury
User avatar
esqtvd
RealGM
Posts: 12,090
And1: 4,829
Joined: Jun 24, 2017
Location: LA LA LA LAND
Contact:
     

Re: Game 1 & Season Preview: LA Clippers (0-0) @ LA Lakers (0-0) Dec. 22 10 PM PCT / 7 PM EST 

Post#7 » by esqtvd » Tue Dec 22, 2020 1:41 am

TheNewEra wrote:Morris knee issue to start the year after months off sucks. Don’t know if going small against the lakers will be a smart idea and especially with Ibaka having his little nagging injury


As if he didn't ALREADY have enough motivation to stick it up the Clippers' wazoo, Trez is STEAMING about Luke Kennard getting the big bucks while Trez works for relative peanuts. :o

https://clutchpoints.com/lakers-news-montrezl-harrell-emoji-reaction-to-luke-kennards-clippers-extension/

It occurs to me that Trez has never worked with a real NBA point guard. Bron's not a PG but he did lead the NBA in assists last year @ 10.2. I'd expect the Lakers' gameplan is to feed Trez all he can eat.
Image Are We Having Fun Yet?
TheNewEra
RealGM
Posts: 28,946
And1: 10,672
Joined: Aug 28, 2008
Location: Lob City
       

Re: Game 1 & Season Preview: LA Clippers (0-0) @ LA Lakers (0-0) Dec. 22 10 PM PCT / 7 PM EST 

Post#8 » by TheNewEra » Tue Dec 22, 2020 1:54 am

Read on Twitter
Roscoe Sheed
RealGM
Posts: 11,312
And1: 5,232
Joined: May 01, 2007
Location: Los Angeles

Re: Game 1 & Season Preview: LA Clippers (0-0) @ LA Lakers (0-0) Dec. 22 10 PM PCT / 7 PM EST 

Post#9 » by Roscoe Sheed » Tue Dec 22, 2020 4:49 am

I hope Morris doesn’t end up having a chronic knee problem possibly leading to surgery.

I wonder if Lue is thinking about going big against the lakers- perhaps start Zubac and Ibaka?
og15
Forum Mod - Clippers
Forum Mod - Clippers
Posts: 50,693
And1: 33,475
Joined: Jun 23, 2004
Location: NBA Fan
 

Re: Game 1 & Season Preview: LA Clippers (0-0) @ LA Lakers (0-0) Dec. 22 10 PM PCT / 7 PM EST 

Post#10 » by og15 » Wed Dec 23, 2020 3:15 am

Solid start to the game, nice to see Batum contributing, looks good
KL2
Assistant Coach
Posts: 4,229
And1: 2,444
Joined: Jul 09, 2019
Location: California
     

Re: Game 1 & Season Preview: LA Clippers (0-0) @ LA Lakers (0-0) Dec. 22 10 PM PCT / 7 PM EST 

Post#11 » by KL2 » Wed Dec 23, 2020 3:15 am

Digging the ball movement.
TheNewEra
RealGM
Posts: 28,946
And1: 10,672
Joined: Aug 28, 2008
Location: Lob City
       

Re: Game 1 & Season Preview: LA Clippers (0-0) @ LA Lakers (0-0) Dec. 22 10 PM PCT / 7 PM EST 

Post#12 » by TheNewEra » Wed Dec 23, 2020 3:16 am

Serge hitting some big shots
clipsfever
Junior
Posts: 384
And1: 224
Joined: Aug 15, 2019
 

Re: Game 1 & Season Preview: LA Clippers (0-0) @ LA Lakers (0-0) Dec. 22 10 PM PCT / 7 PM EST 

Post#13 » by clipsfever » Wed Dec 23, 2020 3:27 am

Am already disgusted that Pat Pat is back... and that he's ahead of Mfi and Mann in the rotation.
LamarWho
Sixth Man
Posts: 1,509
And1: 1,339
Joined: Oct 06, 2019

Re: Game 1 & Season Preview: LA Clippers (0-0) @ LA Lakers (0-0) Dec. 22 10 PM PCT / 7 PM EST 

Post#14 » by LamarWho » Wed Dec 23, 2020 3:28 am

OMG did I just witness a double team on our end? Oh yea Doc is gone.
User avatar
MartinToVaught
RealGM
Posts: 15,705
And1: 17,777
Joined: Oct 19, 2014
     

Re: Game 1 & Season Preview: LA Clippers (0-0) @ LA Lakers (0-0) Dec. 22 10 PM PCT / 7 PM EST 

Post#15 » by MartinToVaught » Wed Dec 23, 2020 3:31 am

Read on Twitter


I'm SHOCKED.
Image
TheNewEra
RealGM
Posts: 28,946
And1: 10,672
Joined: Aug 28, 2008
Location: Lob City
       

Re: Game 1 & Season Preview: LA Clippers (0-0) @ LA Lakers (0-0) Dec. 22 10 PM PCT / 7 PM EST 

Post#16 » by TheNewEra » Wed Dec 23, 2020 3:35 am

Keep up the pressure
TheNewEra
RealGM
Posts: 28,946
And1: 10,672
Joined: Aug 28, 2008
Location: Lob City
       

Re: Game 1 & Season Preview: LA Clippers (0-0) @ LA Lakers (0-0) Dec. 22 10 PM PCT / 7 PM EST 

Post#17 » by TheNewEra » Wed Dec 23, 2020 3:36 am

Harrell has to get better on his defensive awareness and rotation. If he’s not early for the charge he’s super late
User avatar
MartinToVaught
RealGM
Posts: 15,705
And1: 17,777
Joined: Oct 19, 2014
     

Re: Game 1 & Season Preview: LA Clippers (0-0) @ LA Lakers (0-0) Dec. 22 10 PM PCT / 7 PM EST 

Post#18 » by MartinToVaught » Wed Dec 23, 2020 3:37 am

Read on Twitter


Read on Twitter


Read on Twitter
Image
SunsRback4Good
RealGM
Posts: 30,418
And1: 12,363
Joined: May 13, 2011
     

Re: Game 1 & Season Preview: LA Clippers (0-0) @ LA Lakers (0-0) Dec. 22 10 PM PCT / 7 PM EST 

Post#19 » by SunsRback4Good » Wed Dec 23, 2020 3:40 am

Might as well crown the clippers they simply look unbeatable especially with a different coach. Lue knows how to defend lebron since he coached him for 3 years.
TheNewEra
RealGM
Posts: 28,946
And1: 10,672
Joined: Aug 28, 2008
Location: Lob City
       

Re: Game 1 & Season Preview: LA Clippers (0-0) @ LA Lakers (0-0) Dec. 22 10 PM PCT / 7 PM EST 

Post#20 » by TheNewEra » Wed Dec 23, 2020 3:44 am

The bench needs to focus and run sets this looks terrible

Return to Los Angeles Clippers