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Post#1 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Mar 22, 2021 2:03 am

And are dangling Cam Reddish to do it?

Wow

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Will the Pelicans play Ball with Lonzo?

There’s skepticism around the league that the Pelicans will move Lonzo Ball ahead of the deadline, but that won’t stop teams from trying. League sources say the Bulls and Hawks are both in pursuit. Chicago has offered Tomas Satoransky and second-round picks, but New Orleans is asking for at least one good first-round pick or a young player. Talks with Atlanta have revolved around Cam Reddish.

New Orleans’s leverage is dinged by the fact both Chicago and Atlanta will have cap space to make an expensive offer to Ball this offseason. If the Pelicans wait, they might be able to sign-and-trade Ball to a wider list of teams during the offseason. But they’d also be at risk of losing him for nothing or be forced to match a contract more pricey than they’d like.

Ball would be an excellent fit in Chicago or Atlanta alongside either team’s one-time All-Star guard, Zach LaVine or Trae Young. Ball is a low-usage playmaker who makes quick decisions and could better balance each offense with his ability to facilitate or play off the ball. This season, Ball is averaging 14.2 points on 38.5 percent shooting from 3 with 5.6 assists and 4.2 rebounds. He’s also playing the most consistent defense on a New Orleans team that can’t get regular stops.

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Post#2 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Mar 22, 2021 2:04 am

Unless we're including a third team in trade talks, I'm guessing the cost for Lonzo would be Cam plus our 2021 1st round draft pick...

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Post#3 » by jayu70 » Mon Mar 22, 2021 2:10 am

So now the Hawks have 2 RFAs?
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Post#4 » by jayu70 » Mon Mar 22, 2021 2:13 am

Jamaaliver wrote:And are dangling Cam Reddish to do it?

Wow

D21 wrote:Maybe we could be more buyer than seller... even if all that is to take with a grain of salt

Will the Pelicans play Ball with Lonzo?

There’s skepticism around the league that the Pelicans will move Lonzo Ball ahead of the deadline, but that won’t stop teams from trying. League sources say the Bulls and Hawks are both in pursuit. Chicago has offered Tomas Satoransky and second-round picks, but New Orleans is asking for at least one good first-round pick or a young player. Talks with Atlanta have revolved around Cam Reddish.

New Orleans’s leverage is dinged by the fact both Chicago and Atlanta will have cap space to make an expensive offer to Ball this offseason. If the Pelicans wait, they might be able to sign-and-trade Ball to a wider list of teams during the offseason. But they’d also be at risk of losing him for nothing or be forced to match a contract more pricey than they’d like.


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Post#5 » by kg01 » Mon Mar 22, 2021 2:56 am

Per logic, none of these rumors track.
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Post#6 » by D21 » Mon Mar 22, 2021 3:08 am

Too much strange things on these last rumors, but the reference to cap space is :
- wrong because ATL won't have cap space like Jay said, actually a bit of cap space but not enough for Ball
- for ATL, it doesn't change anything as Ball would be RFA, like John, and they could offer or match what they want, no need to cap space for that. the problem would only be that extending two RFA would cost more than keeping the same team (Reddish won't have extension this summer)
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Post#7 » by HMFFL » Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:53 am

Remember the Trae Young and Lonzo videos in the past of them working out together in Cali?


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Post#8 » by HMFFL » Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:56 am

I'm all for trading off Cam Reddish but the deal must be right. Lonzo might not be the right piece as a RFA. Lonzo has greatly improved his game and has the most productive season of his career. I assume he receives 20m per season or more in free agency.

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Post#9 » by tbhawksfan1 » Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:21 pm

Not sure if we need to bring in another guy to pay with JC, Trae, Heurter and Hunter to pay. Cam is still on a rook dezl for a while and I haven't soured on him. As per the rest of the team; I think he'll show better under Nate.

I wouldn't do Cam + FRP

Rather not make this deal. Let the full team take the court and get that #4 seed, make a little noise in the playoffs

Until improving this year Ball was looking pretty bad. So it took him until his fourth year to put it together and we want to move Cam after one and a half? Naw
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Post#10 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Mar 22, 2021 1:49 pm

Chris Kirchner wrote:Lonzo Ball in Atlanta? What a Hawks-Pelicans trade deadline deal could look like

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The Lonzo Ball trade rumors keep coming.

Our own Shams Charania reported Monday that Atlanta is one team that’s expected to show interest in pursuing Ball to pair with former All-Star point guard Trae Young and a young cast that currently holds the longest winning streak in the NBA at eight games.

The fit would be excellent, as both Ball and Trae Young would thrive playing next to each other. Because of the attention Young receives on the offensive end with his ability to shoot from deep and get to the rim, it opens up cleaner looks for everyone else around him. That means the more shooters who are around Young, the deadlier the Hawks’ offense is. There are no more shooting concerns for Ball as he’s shooting 38.5 percent from 3 on nearly eight attempts per game — a better percentage on more attempts per game than Young.

Ball is the kind of player Hawks general manager Travis Schlenk likes: someone who can dribble, pass and shoot. His skill set also meshes well with De’Andre Hunter, who emerged this year as a secondary option.

Ball is a good defender and shooter who fits well in Atlanta’s long-term plans of the kind of team it wants to be. So, it’s not surprising at all that the Hawks would have interest.

Ball’s skill set is going to make him a lot of money this offseason. His deal this offseason is going to be somewhere in the range of the money Collins turned down before the season began. So, we already know the Hawks are comfortable with giving out that kind of money. Plus, frankly, Ball plays a more important position when it comes to roster construction. Even though Collins is the better player, at least in my opinion, Ball’s skills, especially for a team like the Hawks, makes him the kind of player I believe Schlenk would rather pay big money over Collins.

If the Hawks did acquire Ball, that would likely mean either Reddish or Huerter might be involved in this kind of deal. It would also likely mean Collins’ future isn’t with Atlanta.

The Pelicans would likely ask for Reddish first because his ceiling is higher than Huerter’s.

The best package I’m willing to [offer] is Cam Reddish, Rondo plus the OKC pick. If the Pelicans have no interest in giving Ball the contract he’s likely going to get, at least they’d get an intriguing young player who could potentially end up being better than him, and it would certainly make Williamson happy as Reddish is one of his closest friends.
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Post#11 » by Ball4life32 » Mon Mar 22, 2021 2:12 pm

So trade Huerter or Reddish + more for Lonzo to pay him instead of Collins? Laughable.
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Post#12 » by D21 » Mon Mar 22, 2021 2:18 pm

We should not forget one thing : both John and Ball are the two main RFA this summer, so ATL and NOP have reasons to listen ro all offer they can get to get the true value of their respective player
It's a kind of logic to hear both in rumors
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Post#13 » by tbhawksfan1 » Mon Mar 22, 2021 2:51 pm

I don't see TS bailing on the team that he just built on an 8 game win streak and about to get healthy. Maybe a small move to bring in an expiring C
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Post#14 » by D21 » Mon Mar 22, 2021 3:08 pm

tbhawksfan1 wrote:I don't see TS bailing on the team that he just built on an 8 game win streak and about to get healthy. Maybe a small move to bring in an expiring C


Logic first, and hearing offers help to evaluate. Not to say that bringing new players in the middle of the season is hard to keep chemistry, unless it's great or very experienced players like when Gasol came to TOR.
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Post#15 » by saloonyk8 » Mon Mar 22, 2021 3:13 pm

For me, I would like to get to playoffs and lose. That's the best way to evaluate what you want need to get to the next level. It might make sense on paper that Ball fits well with Trae but come playoffs maybe you need another wing defender like Cam.... Just one example of why doing nothing is better.

Similar questions for Collins if he is a force in the playoffs you need to lock in that asset and figure out fot later.

I also see Lonzo stock being super high right now... Never good to buy high and sell low (Cam)
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Post#16 » by D21 » Mon Mar 22, 2021 3:17 pm

saloonyk8 wrote:For me, I would like to get to playoffs and lose. That's the best way to evaluate what you want need to get to the next level. It might make sense on paper that Ball fits well with Trae but come playoffs maybe you need another wing defender like Cam.... Just one example of why doing nothing is better.

Similar questions for Collins if he is a force in the playoffs you need to lock in that asset and figure out fot later.

I also see Lonzo stock being super high right now... Never good to buy high and sell low (Cam)


Completely agree, the best thing is to keep this team, except maybe getting a backup C, and let them play all this season
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Post#17 » by saloonyk8 » Mon Mar 22, 2021 3:22 pm

Side note, if Uncle Moneybags was running the team this is what I would consider:
Huerter, Snell, Rondo
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Ball, Bledsoe

That geta Pelicans off that Bledsoe money. And we send no real assets out.

Trae/Bledsoe
Bogdan/Ball
Hunter/Reddish
Collins/Gallo
Capella/Nightmare

You pay Ball and Collins and match in FA. Now you got a real squad with all your own picks. If some elite player becomes available you have matching salaries with Collins, Bogo or Lonzo.

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Post#18 » by shakes0 » Mon Mar 22, 2021 3:48 pm

Would I love to have my two favorite players in the league on the same team? Absolutely. Would I do that at the expense of not signing Collins? Hell No!

If we can get Lonzo and Collins and sign them both I'd be ecstatic, but that seems like a pipe dream to me.

Getting rid of Bogi would definitely help though, right? In terms of freeing up money.
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Post#19 » by Galloisdaman » Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:35 pm

I'd also look at the X factor that comes along with the Balls.
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Post#20 » by shakes0 » Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:21 pm

Galloisdaman wrote:I'd also look at the X factor that comes along with the Balls.


There's no X factor. His dad is a loudmouth, so what. There are plenty of NBA dads who are loud mouths.

Lonzo has been a model citizen on and off the court every team he's been on. He's basically the polar opposite of his dad when it comes to his demeaner and how he conducts himself.

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