Grade the Chicago Bulls Draft Pick: Ayo Dosunmu

[ChicagoSportsFan21]

What grade would you give the Bulls selecting Ayo Dosunmu?

[MGB8]

Would have given a B+ because Cooper (despite Cooper being a far bigger gamble / bust / chemistry risk) but for 38, to get a prospect as solid as Ayo definitely deserves an A more than a B, IMO.

[sco]

A/B...but grading 2nd round picks is kinda silly. If he becomes a rotation player, you've beaten the odds. Now a lot of that is opportunity, and I'm pretty sure he'll get the same sort of shot that Arci got (who, IMO, he is sort of replacing). Although, I love Arci.

[Grodoboldo]

Solid B.
Had they drafted Cooper, it would've been an A.

[Grodoboldo]

A/B...but grading 2nd round picks is kinda silly. If he becomes a rotation player, you've beaten the odds. Now a lot of that is opportunity, and I'm pretty sure he'll get the same sort of shot that Arci got (who, IMO, he is sort of replacing). Although, I love Arci.

I view this year similarly to when we drafted Gafford and I wanted THT.

Again we went with the safer pick (Gafford is a solid rotation player, an undisputed success as a 2nd rounder).

[bad knees]

Voted A. Ayo is gonna surprise because he’s one of those guys that is going to work hard every moment to improve. I think he’s going to be a key part of our guard rotation for many years.

[GoBlue72391]

I voted A because even though Ayo might not have that boom or bust ceiling of someone like Sharife Cooper, to get a well rounded two-way player with a high floor and definite 1st round talent who immediately addresses a team need (perimeter defense) at 38 is a great value pick.

He might never be a star, but he'll most likely be no worse than a solid rotational bench piece with a chance to be a low tier starter down the line and that's always a win in the 2nd round.

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[GoBlue72391]

Solid B.
Had they drafted Cooper, it would've been an A.

I gave Ayo an A and would have still given an A grade if we drafted Cooper. The 2nd round is the perfect area to take a chance on those boom or bust types who might not be the best player available but have the highest ceiling, because if they bust, oh well it was just a 2nd round pick which 80% of the time is nothing anyway, but if you hit on it it's a huge win.

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[GoBlue72391]

A/B...but grading 2nd round picks is kinda silly. If he becomes a rotation player, you've beaten the odds. Now a lot of that is opportunity, and I'm pretty sure he'll get the same sort of shot that Arci got (who, IMO, he is sort of replacing). Although, I love Arci.

I view this year similarly to when we drafted Gafford and I wanted THT.

Again we went with the safer pick (Gafford is a solid rotation player, an undisputed success as a 2nd rounder).

Good comparison.

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[kodo]

Overall A.

Name: A. I think Stacey has a lot to work with here.
Hair: B. Looks good as long as it doesn't block his shots like Elfrid.
Highlight Potential: A. Nice steal rate, dunks easily for a point.
Positional Need: A.
Bulls Uniform Fit: A, looks like a natural just like Crazy Eyes Bobby.


It's going to be tough to fill Gafford's shoes as my favorite 2nd rounder, but Ayo can do it.

[Grodoboldo]

Overall A.

Name: A. I think Stacey has a lot to work with here.
Hair: B. Looks good as long as it doesn't block his shots like Elfrid.
Highlight Potential: A. Nice steal rate, dunks easily for a point.
Positional Need: A.

It's going to be tough to fill Gafford's shoes as my favorite 2nd rounder, but Ayo can do it.

Legit at hair being an item

[DuckIII]

Ayo is a clear “A” grade second round pick.

I would have drafted Cooper, no doubt. But Ayo is still an awesome pick at 38.

[jacoby1us]

A
Ayo should have been a 1RP, extremely pleased that he fell to us at 38.

[ChettheJet]

B They really aren't counting on big minutes or production from a 2nd round pick. With everybody healthy he is 3rd on the SG depth chart behind Zach and Coby, maybe he's the 4th PG when they have whoever they get. But that's fine. He is from a big school, played in big games and made a difference in big games. What he needs is NBA practice and coaching. Give Mo Cheeks a chance to show him what to do and what he shouldn't do.

[dougthonus]

A/B...but grading 2nd round picks is kinda silly. If he becomes a rotation player, you've beaten the odds. Now a lot of that is opportunity, and I'm pretty sure he'll get the same sort of shot that Arci got (who, IMO, he is sort of replacing). Although, I love Arci.

I went A, because if someone told me before the draft that we'd land him, I'd have been really, really psyched. He was projected as a late 1st in most major mocks and he can kind of do everything and fills a position of need on every team in the league if he pans out. You can never have too many wings.

At the same time, you're right that grading 2nd round picks is silly in the sense that most of these guys are not meaningful players, and by default I assume anyone in the 2nd round will be non meaningful. I hope he proves to be the exception and think he has a good chance, but if all the teams let him slip this far then the answer is he probably won't be more than a role player, and if he's your 8th best guy you did a great job.

[Red8911]

A/B...but grading 2nd round picks is kinda silly. If he becomes a rotation player, you've beaten the odds. Now a lot of that is opportunity, and I'm pretty sure he'll get the same sort of shot that Arci got (who, IMO, he is sort of replacing). Although, I love Arci.

I went A, because if someone told me before the draft that we'd land him, I'd have been really, really psyched. He was projected as a late 1st in most major mocks and he can kind of do everything and fills a position of need on every team in the league if he pans out. You can never have too many wings.

At the same time, you're right that grading 2nd round picks is silly in the sense that most of these guys are not meaningful players, and by default I assume anyone in the 2nd round will be non meaningful. I hope he proves to be the exception and think he has a good chance, but if all the teams let him slip this far then the answer is he probably won't be more than a role player, and if he's your 8th best guy you did a great job.

Ofcourse you can grade second round picks. Once the season starts it doesn’t matter whether a player was drafted as a first pick or 60th pick. We judge them based on how they play the game. If for example Ayo doesn’t play well, no ones going to care which pick he was in the draft and will get judged accordingly.

[Bulls Fan 23]

I voted A, I thought he would go in the first round.

I wanted Jason Preston, but I'm happy with Ayo.

[dougthonus]

Ofcourse you can grade second round picks. Once the season starts it doesn’t matter whether a player was drafted as a first pick or 60th pick. We judge them based on how they play the game. If for example Ayo doesn’t play well, no ones going to care which pick he was in the draft and will get judged accordingly.

Is your thought that you are grading on an absolute scale rather than a contextual scale? Ie, most 2nd rounders are between C and F because they never help you (even though you know that going in?).

If so that's fair, he's probably a C-F. To me on the contextual scale bringing over a 2nd rounder who does nothing for you is still like a C-/D+ move. Since my expectation is that he will do nothing for you, it can't really get worse than that. On an absolute scale such an outcome would be an F.

And when grading the draft, where you were drafted generally matters a lot for people when grading the draft (which is generally done to assess your FO). From the team perspective, you just need to get players, but if you're whiffing on lotto picks it is a lot worse than if you are whiffing on picks in the 40s.

[sco]

Ofcourse you can grade second round picks. Once the season starts it doesn’t matter whether a player was drafted as a first pick or 60th pick. We judge them based on how they play the game. If for example Ayo doesn’t play well, no ones going to care which pick he was in the draft and will get judged accordingly.

Is your thought that you are grading on an absolute scale rather than a contextual scale? Ie, most 2nd rounders are between C and F because they never help you (even though you know that going in?).

If so that's fair, he's probably a C-F. To me on the contextual scale bringing over a 2nd rounder who does nothing for you is still like a C-/D+ move. Since my expectation is that he will do nothing for you, it can't really get worse than that. On an absolute scale such an outcome would be an F.

So is there a way he can get extra credit? What if he comes in and builds a diarama of the stadium?

[dougthonus]

Ofcourse you can grade second round picks. Once the season starts it doesn’t matter whether a player was drafted as a first pick or 60th pick. We judge them based on how they play the game. If for example Ayo doesn’t play well, no ones going to care which pick he was in the draft and will get judged accordingly.

Is your thought that you are grading on an absolute scale rather than a contextual scale? Ie, most 2nd rounders are between C and F because they never help you (even though you know that going in?).

If so that's fair, he's probably a C-F. To me on the contextual scale bringing over a 2nd rounder who does nothing for you is still like a C-/D+ move. Since my expectation is that he will do nothing for you, it can't really get worse than that. On an absolute scale such an outcome would be an F.

So is there a way he can get extra credit? What if he comes in and builds a diarama of the stadium?

The grade is really about AK, not Ayo, so AK can get extra credit by acquiring a true max superstar