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The Aquisitions | What we are getting? (Johnson, Mills, Bembry, Carter)

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The Aquisitions | What we are getting? (Johnson, Mills, Bembry, Carter) 

Post#1 » by Prokorov » Mon Aug 9, 2021 5:45 pm

I posted threads in the team forums for the last teams our new additions played for to get reviews from fans who saw them play an entire year and can give us stuff beyond the stats/small sample eyeball test. Mostly, it was all positive:

James Johnson
Dallas - https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=2111996
Minnesota - https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=2111960

Deandre Bembry
Toronto - https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=2113835

Patty Mills
Spurs - https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=2112485

Javon Carter
Phoenix - https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=2114732
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Re: What we are getting (Johnson, Mills, Bembry, Carter) 

Post#2 » by Prokorov » Mon Aug 9, 2021 5:46 pm

James Johnson



Calinks wrote:When he was here he was pretty cool. He seemed invested in the team even though he probably figured he was gonna be moved. Was an asset on the floor, good energy, didn't back down. All in all a good player, maybe not a difference maker on a bad team but could win some plays for you. Good guy to have in the locker room, bring some toughness.

I kind of make it sound like he's a guy who can't contribute much, he can, he could have a 10+ point game and get 7 boards it just probably wont happen on the regular.


UnFadeable21 wrote:He can fight and is a perfect enforcer for a soft team like the Nets


Shaka_Zulu wrote:I kinda miss him, he was tough all around and he was way more versatile then expected when we signed him, could handle multiple tasks. Hadnt seen him much before due to injury issues in Miami last year. But he was being a bonafide off bench point forward with some very decent skill for us, and hustling on every play. Still just a depth guy, but he did his thing with a limited roster, very team first guy that did most of the intagible things you take for granted. Screens, faciliates effortlessly, defends perimeter, bangs down low with bigs, decent spot up etc. All around player.

Liked his attitude too. Usually these journeyman are lukewarm mercenaries, but for us Johnson was the most enegetic and most hyped up at all times for us, this is a guy passing through playing with a broken roster of kids, and he was really into it, could see him spreading the enthusiasm to the youngsters each game. Proper competitve glue guy.

It also goes without saying he is tough as nails, Jeff Green is more offensively talented player, but if there something left in the tank, I would guess that JJ will be a better all around team player and hard nosed enforcer when someone goes after your dainty super stars.


Maverick41 wrote:Positives: Can make plays as a point forward in spurts, decent defender, very tough.

Negatives: Sometimes gets in over his head with his playmaking. Sometimes it looks amazing, but most of the time it will drive you nuts. Doesn't stretch the floor like Jeff Green would but he can hit the open shot from time to time.

If he signed for a vet minimum contract, that's great value especially on a team where he won't feel the need to create.
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Re: What we are getting (Johnson, Mills, Bembry, Carter) 

Post#3 » by Prokorov » Mon Aug 9, 2021 5:48 pm

Deandre Bembry



TorontoRapsFan wrote:He's the perfect bench player for a team like the Nets. I actually am not happy hearing he signed for the nets. He's not the scorer off the bench but he can do pretty much everything else pretty well for most nights. And he can still hit a 3, drive or score on transition and cuts.


Courtside wrote:I was hoping we'd keep him as a deep reserve at SG/SF, but it looks like they thought he'd be better off catching on somewhere else. He may have thought the same and it was agreed to let him find a new landing spot, who knows.

I kind of think he would have been brought back if things in SL showed that our new guys in Johnson or Champagnie were going to need a lot of GLeague time before being contributors on the NBA.

For the minimum he is a fantastic depth piece, as long as you aren't expecting him to overachieve. Makes a lot of smart plays but also takes some needless risks. Very passable defensively and can handle the ball if you're short ballhandlers. Good team guy that won't make waves - the Nets were smart to pick him up.


TrustFundBaby wrote:Good fit for BKN. Not a shooter but you guys have crazy spacing anyway. Decent vision, willing playmaker, hustles, effort on D.

He was wasted here but I can see him being a fan favorite for contenders
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Re: What we are getting (Johnson, Mills, Bembry, Carter) 

Post#4 » by Prokorov » Mon Aug 9, 2021 5:50 pm

Patty Mills



GREY 1769 wrote:Absolute gem of a human being, and the spirit of the locker room. When adversity strikes, he's the light that guides the team through it. Don't underestimate it.

He's excellent off ball, constantly moving. He's very smart using screens and very capable off C&S. Good ball handler, excellent in pressure situations, poised because of experience. Good passer, good in transition and half court, very good in P&Rs. Very good at recognizing when to take the 3 or drive and he's capable of finishing well at the rim. Crafty in doing that, and does well using his body to protect the ball and using his off hand to shield it from swipes as well.

He's actually a better man D than he's given credit for. He's strong, takes very good care of his body, has a low center of gravity, and takes a wide stance to get right up on ball handlers to prevent easy drives and pressure passes to force passes for secondary scoring options. He is stronger than he may seem and I think it surprised guys that they couldn't just bully him out of the way. Once a guy drives on him though, well then the help D will have to step up. But Patty's smart in forcing guys to drive outside rather than allowing it down the middle.

He consistently fights through screens. He's excellent at taking charges as well, so don't underestimate timely plays like that which are possession and energy shifters.

He's my favourite vet Spur so I'm admittedly gushing about him, but you'll see that the benefits far outweigh the flaws. Even when his shot isn't falling, he finds ways to contribute. All heart, all effort. He'll do his best to do whatever's asked of him. I love him, and will root for you guys in the East. Treat him well!


imagump1313 wrote:He is one of the best catch and shoot guys around. He also moves well without the ball.
His problems come with his size and his tendency to turn the ball over carelessly.

You guys have enough ball dominant players where he should be fine. Defensively he is kind of liability but I think you want to outscore people more than slow the game down.


JeffReal wrote:Patty should still be prime enough, when used correctly. The Spurs tried to run him to exhaustion last season, at 25 minutes per game, 68 games. There were a couple games, during the last dozen games of the season, when he played more than 30 minutes. Rough usage, for a shooting specialist. It was unfortunate, but the Spurs roster and rotations, well that’s a whole book to write. Treat Patty kindly and he should be fine. I can’t imagine the Nets would need to run him that hard.

Patty is basically a shooting guard, yes. He’s more than competent at the point, but ideally you’d want somebody else as the playmaker.

He’s streaky, like all the 3pt shooters are. Where’s one who isn’t?

My esteemed fellow poster mentioned turnovers, but per the advanced stats, last season Patty had a lower turnover percentage than Kyrie (9.3% vs 9.9%). Just fwiw.

The comparison with Shamet is quite interesting. For one thing, they had the identical number of free throw attempts, 78. Shamet made an excellent 85%. Patty made 91%.

Shamet had a better 3pt percentage, .387 versus Patty’s .375 (on higher volume.) Patty was better from 2 tho, he hit 91 of 182 for a sweet 50% exactly.

Contested shots, well, you’d prefer some space. The way the Spurs often did it, they just used a screen. Bring Patty on the run, along the arc, he brushes by the screen to get space, and shoots. Patty can dribble that, or c&s if the pass can be timed right. Use teamwork, with a screener who knows his job.

I don’t know of any reason why he won’t be a good player for you.
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Post#5 » by Prokorov » Mon Aug 9, 2021 5:52 pm

Javon Carter



dmastro32 wrote:Javon is a bulldog can apply a ton of pressure on the ball handler. He can mainly only guard 1s and some small 2’s. Causes boneheaded plays by the opposition quite often. As far as offense if he is running your in trouble. Shot under 30% until late January this year and then improved when he started playing more of a catch and shoot role. He will never stop working which is his best attribute. A roll of 7 to 10 minutes a game just hounding they hell out of the other teams primary ball handler. I would always have at least 1 of Kyrie or harden on the floor with him to initiate the offense.


darealjuice wrote:He's a good end of rotation guard. Not guarding small forwards much outside of switches, but he's a total pest. Handsy, physical, loves to defend full court, very competitive.

Offense is a mixed bag. He's solid for catch and shoot 3s. He can fall in love with trying to create his own shot, but he'll surprise you every now and then. Not much of a distributor.
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Re: What we are getting (Johnson, Mills, Bembry, Carter) 

Post#6 » by darealjuice » Mon Aug 9, 2021 7:09 pm

Prokorov wrote:Javon Carter



dmastro32 wrote:Javon is a bulldog can apply a ton of pressure on the ball handler. He can mainly only guard 1s and some small 2’s. Causes boneheaded plays by the opposition quite often. As far as offense if he is running your in trouble. Shot under 30% until late January this year and then improved when he started playing more of a catch and shoot role. He will never stop working which is his best attribute. A roll of 7 to 10 minutes a game just hounding they hell out of the other teams primary ball handler. I would always have at least 1 of Kyrie or harden on the floor with him to initiate the offense.


darealjuice wrote:He's a good end of rotation guard. Not guarding small forwards much outside of switches, but he's a total pest. Handsy, physical, loves to defend full court, very competitive.

Offense is a mixed bag. He's solid for catch and shoot 3s. He can fall in love with trying to create his own shot, but he'll surprise you every now and then. Not much of a distributor.


Yeah he was really good in the Bubble, shot 60% from 3 and played with a lot of confidence.

Against the Thunder in the Bubble, he chased a loose ball all the way to the far corner of the opposite side of the court and got in the ball handler's shorts just pressure them getting across half court. That play is Jevon in a nutshell. He's like the Tasmanian Devil out there.

edit: Thought this was the Suns forum lol
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Re: What we are getting (Johnson, Mills, Bembry, Carter) 

Post#7 » by Prokorov » Mon Aug 9, 2021 7:15 pm

darealjuice wrote:
Prokorov wrote:Javon Carter



dmastro32 wrote:Javon is a bulldog can apply a ton of pressure on the ball handler. He can mainly only guard 1s and some small 2’s. Causes boneheaded plays by the opposition quite often. As far as offense if he is running your in trouble. Shot under 30% until late January this year and then improved when he started playing more of a catch and shoot role. He will never stop working which is his best attribute. A roll of 7 to 10 minutes a game just hounding they hell out of the other teams primary ball handler. I would always have at least 1 of Kyrie or harden on the floor with him to initiate the offense.


darealjuice wrote:He's a good end of rotation guard. Not guarding small forwards much outside of switches, but he's a total pest. Handsy, physical, loves to defend full court, very competitive.

Offense is a mixed bag. He's solid for catch and shoot 3s. He can fall in love with trying to create his own shot, but he'll surprise you every now and then. Not much of a distributor.


Yeah he was really good in the Bubble, shot 60% from 3 and played with a lot of confidence.

Against the Thunder in the Bubble, he chased a loose ball all the way to the far corner of the opposite side of the court and got in the ball handler's shorts just pressure them getting across half court. That play is Jevon in a nutshell. He's like the Tasmanian Devil out there.

edit: Thought this was the Suns forum lol


It was pulled from the thread i put on the suns board. this is just a compilation of everything on our new additions
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Re: The Aquisitions | What we are getting? (Johnson, Mills, Bembry, Carter) 

Post#8 » by MrDollarBills » Mon Aug 9, 2021 7:34 pm

Fantastic thread Prok.

All of these descriptions pretty much match the eyeball test about what I knew about these guys before hand, I told yall that Bembry can put it on the floor and Carter is a tough defender. Johnson is a guy you hate to play against but love to have on your side. IMO Marks has made excellent choices by adding these 4 tough MFers to this roster.

I doubt any of these guys will need to play that much outside of what they are good at for them to succeed here. Patty will be given a green light to shoot and he and Harden will most likely make a devastating combination with the 2nd unit.

We still need one more shooter.
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Re: The Aquisitions | What we are getting? (Johnson, Mills, Bembry, Carter) 

Post#9 » by ecuhus1981 » Tue Aug 10, 2021 4:44 am

I am very excited to see the team fill in around the edges with junkyard dogs. We need punks like PJ to know that it ain't safe outchea to claw our superstar, to scream in his face. We don't need KD barking back, he and we have way too much to lose for him to stoop to the level of enforcers. But you keep a dude or 3 handy, just to keep the opponent honest. Tucker might catch some hands this season, if he attempts an encore performance.

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Re: The Aquisitions | What we are getting? (Johnson, Mills, Bembry, Carter) 

Post#10 » by HardenGoat » Tue Aug 10, 2021 12:19 pm

Great thread and scouting report from people with first hand experience. Love it!

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