Over aggressive defence

bongmarley · Post #1 » by **bongmarley** » Fri Oct 8, 2021 12:23 pm

I have noticed since summer league and especially with Scottie that this team is super aggressive in their defence by sprinting and getting right up into their man, but this often leads to easy blow by or backdoor cuts. Is this a game plan of the defence or a rookie mistake. And if this is the game plan is it a smart one because a really good offensive team will pick them apart playing defense like this, or can this be successful with right players

TravisScott55 · Post #2 » by **TravisScott55** » Fri Oct 8, 2021 12:29 pm

That's normal for rookies. They have to learn to play at a professional level. I am not worried at all.

Nebuchadnezzar · Post #3 » by **Nebuchadnezzar** » Fri Oct 8, 2021 12:48 pm

TravisScott55 wrote:That's normal for rookies. They have to learn to play at a professional level. I am not worried at all.

Scottie reminds of Pascal as a rookie in his foul rate. Especially the chest lean-in, that ends up being a blocking foul. However, was encouraged that Scottie adjusted as the game went on last night.

NeoDragonKnight · Post #4 » by **NeoDragonKnight** » Fri Oct 8, 2021 12:49 pm

It has been the raptors defensive scheme for a while to aggressively close out on the 3 point line, even if that means blowbys, and thats where the rotations need to come in on time and emphasized and why some players on the Raptors struggle staying on the floor in the past as they cannot properly read when to rotate and the defense collapses, but I think it is also where we miss Gasol because Gasol was so elite at taking angles away after someone penetrates. The most important thing is that they dont fully commit to leaving their feet when contesting which I think I saw Scottie do a few times, just get infront with a hand up in their face.

HumbleRen · Post #5 » by **HumbleRen** » Fri Oct 8, 2021 12:55 pm

That’s just mainly mistakes being made due to a lot of young players on the roster. Barnes will learn to tone it down once he realizes he has a 7’3 wingspan.

seanbig · Post #6 » by **seanbig** » Fri Oct 8, 2021 12:57 pm

Malachi looked like prime bbq chicken Jose Manuel Calderon last night just turruble on defense

HumbleRen · Post #7 » by **HumbleRen** » Fri Oct 8, 2021 12:59 pm

seanbig wrote:Malachi looked like prime bbq chicken Jose Manuel Calderon last night just turruble on defense

Got no clue how he won DPOY in his conference lol, must of been a doodoo conference.

Red_Claw · Post #8 » by **Red_Claw** » Fri Oct 8, 2021 1:01 pm

on my god. 2nd pre season game. Let them try things out.

Post #9 » by **Duffman100** » Fri Oct 8, 2021 1:27 pm

seanbig wrote:Malachi looked like prime bbq chicken Jose Manuel Calderon last night just turruble on defense

Maxey was lighting him up.

Honestly, I just get bad vibes from Flynn and I'm not sure what it is. It just feels like he believes he should be starting and his copping some attitude. I have no evidence to back this up, just what I think from his demeanour and facial expressions.

I wouldn't be shocked to see him included in a trade.

Danny1616 · Post #10 » by **Danny1616** » Fri Oct 8, 2021 1:29 pm

It's called being a rookie and learning the NBA.

Dude has a motor and plays hard which is a great sign. Now he needs to learn some patience and to play smarter.

Indeed · Post #11 » by **Indeed** » Fri Oct 8, 2021 1:36 pm

I think we are doubling too much on the perimeter, just not the right time to double them, but we have two young players starting last game, so I wouldn't worry too much in the regular season.

As for Barnes, he will have to learn how to avoid foul (technique). I don't think he is over aggressive, but just not trained in the professional way yet. For example, contesting 3s, he ran into the shooter, which is not wrong in terms of what he needs to do, but his technique in avoiding the player needs to be adjusted.

Post #12 » by **Duffman100** » Fri Oct 8, 2021 1:40 pm

Indeed wrote:I think we are doubling too much on the perimeter, just not the right time to double them, but we have two young players starting last game, so I wouldn't worry too much in the regular season.

As for Barnes, he will have to learn how to avoid foul (technique). I don't think he is over aggressive, but just not trained in the professional way yet. For example, contesting 3s, he ran into the shooter, which is not wrong in terms of what he needs to do, but his technique in avoiding the player needs to be adjusted.

Two of the fouls called on him were complete 'rookie' calls too. Just brutal that the NBA does that.

But yeah I agree with the sentiment of your post. He's 20 and learning...

Indeed · Post #13 » by **Indeed** » Fri Oct 8, 2021 1:45 pm

Talking about defense, I was surprised with Banton.
I think he was careless or react a bit slow (adjusting to the NBA speed), so he made mistakes here and there, but his sneaky length and size can simply recover from it. I was so surprised at one of the quarter end last night, where he allowed his man to cut to the low post for a catch and shoot, but his length just blocked him all of a sudden.

Really wish to can get to speed in the NBA level and cut his careless mistake, and I can see he can be a good player. My prediction was someone like Ingles, but his ceiling seems to be even higher.

vulture · Post #14 » by **vulture** » Fri Oct 8, 2021 1:55 pm

this team has no half court scoring so the aggressive defence is to force turnovers so they can play a lot more in transition.
Once Siakam gets back, they should have another option in the half court which will dial back the aggressiveness.

PerfectJab · Post #15 » by **PerfectJab** » Fri Oct 8, 2021 2:01 pm

Duffman100 wrote:
seanbig wrote:Malachi looked like prime bbq chicken Jose Manuel Calderon last night just turruble on defense

Maxey was lighting him up.

Honestly, I just get bad vibes from Flynn and I'm not sure what it is. It just feels like he believes he should be starting and his copping some attitude. I have no evidence to back this up, just what I think from his demeanour and facial expressions.

I wouldn't be shocked to see him included in a trade.

So true! I wonder how much of the comments, if any, made by his dad were really him. A 29th pick expressing PT concerns publicly in their rookie year, entourage or not, was really cringe.

We can only hope that these 'vibes' are only the remnants of this cringe.

johanliebert · Post #16 » by **johanliebert** » Fri Oct 8, 2021 2:07 pm

PerfectJab wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:
seanbig wrote:Malachi looked like prime bbq chicken Jose Manuel Calderon last night just turruble on defense

Maxey was lighting him up.

Honestly, I just get bad vibes from Flynn and I'm not sure what it is. It just feels like he believes he should be starting and his copping some attitude. I have no evidence to back this up, just what I think from his demeanour and facial expressions.

I wouldn't be shocked to see him included in a trade.

So true! I wonder how much of the comments, if any, made by his dad were really him. A 29th pick expressing PT concerns publicly in their rookie year, entourage or not, was really cringe.

We can only hope that these 'vibes' are only the remnants of this cringe.

The posts by the fans here were worse than anything his father said.

vulture · Post #17 » by **vulture** » Fri Oct 8, 2021 2:22 pm

Duffman100 wrote:
seanbig wrote:Malachi looked like prime bbq chicken Jose Manuel Calderon last night just turruble on defense

Maxey was lighting him up.

Honestly, I just get bad vibes from Flynn and I'm not sure what it is. It just feels like he believes he should be starting and his copping some attitude. I have no evidence to back this up, just what I think from his demeanour and facial expressions.

I wouldn't be shocked to see him included in a trade.

I hate to say it but Malachi will be out of the rotation to start the season.
With Goran and Svi coming in off the bench he won't beat out those guys.

MixxSRC · Post #18 » by **MixxSRC** » Fri Oct 8, 2021 2:22 pm

I never liked bend but don't break defense philosophy. Super conservative style that Casey ran.

Post #19 » by **Duffman100** » Fri Oct 8, 2021 2:45 pm

johanliebert wrote:
PerfectJab wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:
Maxey was lighting him up.

Honestly, I just get bad vibes from Flynn and I'm not sure what it is. It just feels like he believes he should be starting and his copping some attitude. I have no evidence to back this up, just what I think from his demeanour and facial expressions.

I wouldn't be shocked to see him included in a trade.

So true! I wonder how much of the comments, if any, made by his dad were really him. A 29th pick expressing PT concerns publicly in their rookie year, entourage or not, was really cringe.

We can only hope that these 'vibes' are only the remnants of this cringe.

The posts by the fans here were worse than anything his father said.

What was said? I must have missed it

ATLTimekeeper · Post #20 » by **ATLTimekeeper** » Fri Oct 8, 2021 3:01 pm

There's a bunch of guys that have barely played in the NBA or not at all on our team. Danny Green split a double last night :lol:

Maybe the worst ballhandling guard in the entire league at the end of his career split one of our sloppy doubles. This stuff takes loads of time and experience to get right, so I expect at times our defense will look incredible and at times it will look like it did last night.