Payton Pritchard vs Dennis Schroder

[playa-hater]

I am going to start by saying I am top 3 believer in what PP can do. (BostonCouch clearly #1) but I want to make a poll. If Smart is a starter (assuming) who between PP and DS should get the 2nd PG role. Or play more.

*and I am not talking about them playing sometimes together. which they might some time. But I am a BIG believer in steady play = more consistent results. Ime, I hope will make up his mind as to what player plays more.

PP - Has Galactic range (maybe #1 on the team) plays smart. Is an OK creator/passer. Won't beat himself. Underrated defender, but probably 3rd best behind Smart and DS. Still only one year+ experience.

DS is a battle tested veteran. Possible the best penetrator on the team. Not really ever a true 3 point threat. May play with a chip on his shoulders. Slightly better defender.

EDIT ** PP can be a factor without the ball as a shooting threat. DS would need the ball.

So who should be higher in the rotation and getting more minutes??

[playa-hater]

Oh and no matter what happens early if either struggle I would expect coach IME to make a change.

[GoCeltics123]

I'm a little worried about the fit together but why not both? They can work together, Dennis has worked well with other PGs before like in OKC

[playa-hater]

I'm a little worried about the fit together but why not both? They can work together, Dennis has worked well with other PGs before like in OKC

I guess it also depends on who else starts. Example. If Boston starts RW, Al, Jt, JB and Smart. then the 2nd unit "may" have Nesmith and J Rich on the Wings. Only room for one PG then. this doesn't even include Romeo.

So while PP and DS can play together, will that be the best 2nd unit lineup??

[Spin Move]

Schroder is a MUCH better basketball player then Pritchard at this point, he is a much better athlete and when locked in a better defender, he is a better driver. Pritchard is a better shooter but that is about it, yes Schroeder won;t be here next year, but I don't really see Pritchard as anything more then a nice backup, we don't need to sacrafie winning this year for his development.

[Scoonie]

Schroder is a proven NBA starting point guard or 6th man. Pritchard shows a lot of promise as a solid backup. Schroder is quicker, more athletic, a better passer, and a better defender.

I really like Pritchard, but Schroder definitely deserves more minutes.

[playa-hater]

Schroder is a MUCH better basketball player then Pritchard at this point, he is a much better athlete and when locked in a better defender, he is a better driver. Pritchard is a better shooter but that is about it, yes Schroeder won;t be here next year, but I don't really see Pritchard as anything more then a nice backup, we don't need to sacrafie winning this year for his development.

While I do not agree with this opinion opinion I do respect it however.

[playa-hater]

Schroder is a proven NBA starting point guard or 6th man. Pritchard shows a lot of promise as a solid backup. Schroder is quicker, more athletic, a better passer, and a better defender.

I really like Pritchard, but Schroder definitely deserves more minutes.

I certainly cannot disagree with any of your assessments, But what if Payton pritchard's shooting makes him a better fit?

[zoyathedestroya]

I'm high on Schroder-PP second unit pairing. Add Nesmith, one of the Jays, and Horford. That unit would kill opposing benches. I think DS will be part of our closing unit for most games.

[Bleeding Green]

Pritchard is better, but Schroder has something to prove on a one year deal so he should be given a huge leash. Schroder should definitely be a better defensive player which will be important in the playoffs, where Pritchard will get clowned in half-court sets constantly. They can both play together a lot for sure, though.

[dans1230]

Schroder at this point is the better all around player. He should be in there all the minutes Smart is not to handle the ball, that is not Pritchards strength. Pritchard is a much better shooter which should earn him minutes alongside Tatum and Brown but he really does nothing as far as distributing the ball or initiating the offense. Hes a good player and will be a factor on this team but i think Schroder will be around 25 mpg while Pritchard is around 18mpg.

[Hal14]

I'm a little worried about the fit together but why not both? They can work together, Dennis has worked well with other PGs before like in OKC

Because as Celtics fans we must pit our own guys against each other. It has to be Brown vs Tatum, Horford vs Time Lord, Romeo vs Nesmith, Pritchard vs Schroder. God forbid we just root for them to all work together as a team

[Bad-Thoma]

It really depends on who is on the floor, Shroder is going to be better with shooters as he can break his man down off the dribble way better than PP. PP probably fits better with the Jays as he will provide superior spacing. I think they actually compliment each other really well and will see plenty of time together.

[playa-hater]

I'm a little worried about the fit together but why not both? They can work together, Dennis has worked well with other PGs before like in OKC

Because as Celtics fans we must pit our own guys against each other. It has to be Brown vs Tatum, Horford vs Time Lord, Romeo vs Nesmith, Pritchard vs Schroder. God forbid we just root for them to all work together as a team

This is such a bad post. you can't all work "together" when there are limited amount of minutes and more players to fill them. This isn't everyone gets a participation trophy. Very tough decisions need to be made.

And while this team is no where near the catastrophe of Kyrie's last year, chemistry was greatly affected by playing time and touches etc.. Even Gordon Hayward left his boy Stevens, for a bigger role.

Seems like some here are not realizing how tough a job IME will have keeping everyone happy.

I believe Boston has some seriously good talent, But that alone won't be enough. They have to get it right. Unless of course finishing in 3rd or 4th place is all we expect.

[playa-hater]

On paper Boston has:

J Tatum
J Brown
Ro Williams
Al Horford
M Smart

Nesmith
Romeo
J Rich
D Schroder
P Pritchard
Juancho/G Williams/Parker

That is 13 players that may get playing time. you can't/shouldn't play 13. Pick one backup 4 man and you sill have 11 players. If you have a backcourt of PP and DS, then someone else loses out. Romeo? J Rich? Nesmith?

There has to be some sort of pecking order and role established. Playing inconsistently will lead to inconsistent results. Almost always does.

Tough decisions need to be made.

[Shak_Celts]

This isn't my thing so I'll let everyone else speak to it. I just wanted to say I really don't think y'all know how good Shrooo is on defense. He isn't just a little better at Pritchard at it, he is one of the best at his position in comparison to the entire league! yes, he's best when he locks in but that's pretty much everybody, is not easy to sustain defensive effort. Still, he's one of the top at his position at sustained defensive effort.

[Hal14]

I'm a little worried about the fit together but why not both? They can work together, Dennis has worked well with other PGs before like in OKC

Because as Celtics fans we must pit our own guys against each other. It has to be Brown vs Tatum, Horford vs Time Lord, Romeo vs Nesmith, Pritchard vs Schroder. God forbid we just root for them to all work together as a team

This is such a bad post. you can't all work "together" when there are limited amount of minutes and more players to fill them. This isn't everyone gets a participation trophy. Very tough decisions need to be made.

And while this team is no where near the catastrophe of Kyrie's last year, chemistry was greatly affected by playing time and touches etc.. Even Gordon Hayward left his boy Stevens, for a bigger role.

Seems like some here are not realizing how tough a job IME will have keeping everyone happy.

I believe Boston has some seriously good talent, But that alone won't be enough. They have to get it right. Unless of course finishing in 3rd or 4th place is all we expect.

1) I think you're overreacting, man. You made this post, why? Because all of a sudden you think that Pritchard/Nesmith/langford are superstars, because they played well against the bench scrubs on a Magic team that is probably going to be the worst team in the league this year? And they played well in summer league vs a bunch of G-leaguers? C'mon, let's be real.

2) It might seem right now like "oh no, we have 13 good players, how on earth can Ime play them all? But a) Injuries / COVID will happen so we're going to need the depth. We're not going to have everyone healthy all year. Hell, we don't even have everyone healthy right now - Brown has COVID and his wrist his still sore, Horford has COVID, Pritchard just broke his nose. And b) I think you might just have green goggles on, overhyping your favorite team's players.

3) The cream will rise to the top. The guys who earn minutes will get minutes. With every game this team plays, some players will play their way into the rotation, others will play their way out of the rotation. As the season goes on, we'll see players gain separation from each other. It'll all work out.

You think all of a sudden it will be all drama and players will be unhappy with their playing time? a) This isn't middle school or high school ball where players (and their parents who are even worse) complain to the coach and cause turmoil if their kid isn't playing enough. This is the NBA, these are professionals. You earn your minutes in practice/games. You play the minutes you're given and that's that. After the statement Ime made in the media about how he will not stand for his players complaining about calls to refs, do you really think any players are gonna b&tch about playing time? b) I might worry about this if Brad was still coach - he lost the locker room last season cause he could no longer deal with the players well - that should not be a concern with Ime

4) Depth is a good thing. You think we have 13 good players, huh? Hmm, let's see here, when was the last time we were that deep? 2008 when we won the championship. Nobody said a word in 2008 about "oh no, we have too many good players, how will Doc find minutes for them all? This will cause chemistry problems, oh no!"

5) Finishing 3rd or 4th place would be overachieving. The odds makers have us finishing 6th:

https://fansided.com/betsided/posts/nba-regular-season-win-totals-revealed-by-vegas-for-2021-2022

[sam_I_am]

PP is perfect for spacing the floor but I don’t think he has enough yet to lead a bench unit as a lead scorer. Schroeder is a true PG, better defensively and can put up 12-15 ppg if he has to and I don’t think PP can do that at NBA level consistently yet.

Examples. If you have JB, Horford, Tatum and Josh Richardson out there, I’d rather PP be the fifth guy. If it’s Brown, RW, Nesmith and JR I’d rather have a true PG and legit scorer like Schroeder.

[playa-hater]

Because as Celtics fans we must pit our own guys against each other. It has to be Brown vs Tatum, Horford vs Time Lord, Romeo vs Nesmith, Pritchard vs Schroder. God forbid we just root for them to all work together as a team

This is such a bad post. you can't all work "together" when there are limited amount of minutes and more players to fill them. This isn't everyone gets a participation trophy. Very tough decisions need to be made.

And while this team is no where near the catastrophe of Kyrie's last year, chemistry was greatly affected by playing time and touches etc.. Even Gordon Hayward left his boy Stevens, for a bigger role.

Seems like some here are not realizing how tough a job IME will have keeping everyone happy.

I believe Boston has some seriously good talent, But that alone won't be enough. They have to get it right. Unless of course finishing in 3rd or 4th place is all we expect.

1) I think you're overreacting, man. You made this post, why? Because all of a sudden you think that Pritchard/Nesmith/langford are superstars, because they played well against the bench scrubs on a Magic team that is probably going to be the worst team in the league this year? And they played well in summer league vs a bunch of G-leaguers? C'mon, let's be real.

2) It might seem right now like "oh no, we have 13 good players, how on earth can Ime play them all? But a) Injuries / COVID will happen so we're going to need the depth. We're not going to have everyone healthy all year. Hell, we don't even have everyone healthy right now - Brown has COVID and his wrist his still sore, Horford has COVID, Pritchard just broke his nose. And b) I think you might just have green goggles on, overhyping your favorite team's players.

3) The cream will rise to the top. The guys who earn minutes will get minutes. With every game this team plays, some players will play their way into the rotation, others will play their way out of the rotation. As the season goes on, we'll see players gain separation from each other. It'll all work out.

You think all of a sudden it will be all drama and players will be unhappy with their playing time? a) This isn't middle school or high school ball where players (and their parents who are even worse) complain to the coach and cause turmoil if their kid isn't playing enough. This is the NBA, these are professionals. You earn your minutes in practice/games. You play the minutes you're given and that's that. After the statement Ime made in the media about how he will not stand for his players complaining about calls to refs, do you really think any players are gonna b&tch about playing time? b) I might worry about this if Brad was still coach - he lost the locker room last season cause he could no longer deal with the players well - that should not be a concern with Ime

4) Depth is a good thing. You think we have 13 good players, huh? Hmm, let's see here, when was the last time we were that deep? 2008 when we won the championship. Nobody said a word in 2008 about "oh no, we have too many good players, how will Doc find minutes for them all? This will cause chemistry problems, oh no!"

5) Finishing 3rd or 4th place would be overachieving. The odds makers have us finishing 6th:

https://fansided.com/betsided/posts/nba-regular-season-win-totals-revealed-by-vegas-for-2021-2022

For the first BOLD, I haven't declared anyone "Superstars" do not misquote or exaggerate me to try to win a argument.

For the 2nd BOLD, you got the wrong guy heated. Can't stand posts like that. trying hard to be civil right now. I have been widely known for declaring my Faith in Nesmith since early last year, same for PP and since Summer league for Romeo. Saying I liked them Because "they played well against some G-leaguers in preseason game" is almost enough for me to press Ignore button" on you from here on out.

3rd Bold - injuries may help ease any coaching decisions. But injuries may not happen on a high level. 3 years ago, Rozier, Smart, Brown, GH, Tatum, Brown, Horford and our good friend Cyrie were all ready and Able and it became the biggest disaster and under achieved team in Boston history. Again that won't happen again on that level, but don't underestimate players trying to do too much, when there playing time becomes sporadic. Looking at J rich and DS as possibilities.

4th Bold is a joke. You say I am over hyping my fav players because I made a thread between what players between PP and DS should play more????? I think you're more upset that I declared Nesmith very good and deserving while you were the only one declaring Romeo over Nesmith. and While Romeo has looked good, you might be upset because your "hyped player" is losing out to Nesmith??

for the 5th and 6th Bold - "the cream will rise to the Top" and it will all work out" occasional happens.

Bold 6. the fact that you compared this team with a team 13 years ago that had veterans like KG, P Pierce Ray Allen and even Rondo to this team is laughable.

Last bold, If you think finishing 3rd or 4 place is "overachieving" than clearly you have lower standards for this team than I do. And since when do "odd makers" always or should I say EVER, get it right.

If you want to pick a side between the 2 choices go ahead, If not you can ignore. But don't put me or my thread on Blast. I will last back.

[BostonCouchGM]

after being drafted and for several years, Schroder was that clown with a terrible hairdo who couldn't shoot and a bust ATL got rid of. Sure, for a couple of seasons he put up numbers on that bad ATL team and then with another bad team, in OKC, but someone has to. It wasn't until he went to LA and won with Lebron that people laughably started believing he was good. Even more laughable is the notion that he's a good defender. The guy has managed to barely top 1 steal a game just twice in 8 seasons. He looks the part when he's "locked in" on guys on the perimeter but he's not effective. It's also much easier to be a supposed good defender when you have length and good defenders behind you like he did with the Lakers and every opponent they played in the bubble was decimate by injuries. Besides two years ago, he's not been a good shooter either. In fact, he's been either below average or downright terrible.

Of course Pritchard is his superior in literally every single aspect of basketball except Pritchard can't jump and play above the rim. Good thing that's the least important trait a PG needs to have. I'll take Pritchard's ability to drive to the hoop over Dennis as well. No he doesn't have his burst, but he is quicker with starts and stops, more savvy, and more skilled. I'm genuinely embarrassed for anyone who thinks Schroder is better than Pritchard or that Pritchard is a role playing backup at best. It makes me wonder if there's a racial element to this. I kinda want him to get traded if it means he gets to start somewhere else because this fan base doesn't deserve him.

as far as us potentially having too many good players and "cream rising to the top" taking care of that...that can only happen if the HC plays the best most talented players. Pritchard, Nesmith, Brown, Tatum, Williams/Horford is our best, most talented starting five. But that WON'T ever be our starting five because Ime seems like a "player's coach" who will play veterans first even if underserving. It would take months of struggling for him to finally put Nesmith and Pritchard in the starting lineup if ever. So that's why the depth can be a problem imho and why we shouldn't have acquired Richardson and Schroder. They were simply not needed though Schroder being so cheap and potentially trade fodder makes him more palatable.