Killian Hayes is Really...Bad

Liam_Gallagher · Post #1 » by **Liam_Gallagher** » Mon Nov 1, 2021 2:12 pm

So far in his career, he's started 24 of his 32 appearances. In 25 minutes per game, he's shooting 33% from the field.

I know he's young, but that's a pretty brutal start.

UcanUwill · Post #2 » by **UcanUwill** » Mon Nov 1, 2021 2:17 pm

Knew little about him, but I know he struggled in Europe too, and he wasnt playing on Euroleague team or anything like that, so its not surprising. I still havent figured how these scouts decide one Euro scrub is super hyped and the others not.

bstein14 · Post #3 » by **bstein14** » Mon Nov 1, 2021 2:28 pm

He's been awful. Sometimes young players are drafted high in the lottery even though they lack skill, because they are elite athletes. Killian isn't an elite athlete. It feels like Weaver got fooled into drafting him #7, when you consider his lack of athleticism, lack of quickness, and skillset.

I still think he could turn into a good backup PG in the NBA but that's more so because Detroit is invested in seeing him succeed and not because he was worthy of being a lottery pick. He is still young and right now he's probably the worst player in the league that gets 20+ MPG. Lots of excuses built in last year because of lack of summer league and training camp for him as well as getting injured last season, but overall he just came in so far behind everyone else including Saban Lee who was Detroit's second rounder and has outperformed Killian but gets no playing time because Detroit is invested Killian because of where he was picked.

TheFinishSniper · Post #4 » by **TheFinishSniper** » Mon Nov 1, 2021 2:35 pm

Killian Hayes suffered usually career ending hip injury. He was already not great athlete to begin with. He might eventually recover because he is young, but Pistons fans shouldnt really expect it.

I didnt like him much as prospect. I dont find non athletes specially amazing prospects to be taken in lottery unless they have mind boggling skillset which allows them to be good players with positive impact. Like Luka Doncic, Jokic, Sabonis etc.

Post #5 » by **Snakebites** » Mon Nov 1, 2021 2:38 pm

Yeah, I assure you, he's been as bad as the stats would suggest. This definitely isn't a situation where someone brings a ton of intangibles that don't show up in the stat sheet (not that there's any amount of intangibles that would justify these stats).

We're still keeping the hope alive, but it's definitely waning. He had the excuse of the injury last year that allowed us to keep that hope going because it kind of gave him a built-in excuse (he had been awful before the injury, but that was only 7 games, after all), but there's definitely a point where those excuses run out. Either you have game or you don't.

Post #6 » by **Harry Garris** » Mon Nov 1, 2021 2:38 pm

UcanUwill wrote:Knew little about him, but I know he struggled in Europe too, and he wasnt playing on Euroleague team or anything like that, so its not surprising. I still havent figured how these scouts decide one Euro scrub is super hyped and the others not.

They're trying to highlight the parts of their game that are valuable in a NBA style offense. Killian Hayes was a big, switchable defensively guard that could already attack off of the dribble and make plays for others at only 18 years old.

Clearly his time in the NBA has shown he was only good at doing that against lesser competition, but it's no surprise that NBA scouts were intrigued by him. That's the exact kind of player that you would be excited about finding as a NBA scout.

NRSV · Post #7 » by **NRSV** » Mon Nov 1, 2021 3:21 pm

He has no right hand at all. He can’t shoot. He’s not an elite athlete. Bad mix for a PG.

Laimbeer · Post #8 » by **Laimbeer** » Mon Nov 1, 2021 3:39 pm

Piston first rounders

Year, Round, Pick
2020 1 7 Killian Hayes France ratiopharm Ulm (Germany)
2020 1 16 Isaiah Stewart United States Washington
2019 1 15 Sekou Doumbouya France Limoges CSP
2017 1 12 Luke Kennard United States Duke
2016 1 18 Henry Ellenson United States Marquette
2015 1 8 Stanley Johnson United States Arizona
2013 1 8 Kentavious Caldwell-Pope United States Georgia
2012 1 9 Andre Drummond United States Connecticut
2011 1 8 Brandon Knight United States Kentucky
2010 1 7 Greg Monroe United States Georgetown
2009 1 15 Austin Daye United States Gonzaga
2008 1 29 D. J. White United States Indiana
2007 1 15 Rodney Stuckey United States Eastern Washington
2007 1 27 Arron Afflalo United States UCLA
2005 1 26 Jason Maxiell United States Cincinnati
2003 1 2 Darko Miličić Serbia and Montenegro Hemofarm Vršac (Serbia and Montenegro and Adriatic League)
2003 1 25 Carlos Delfino Argentina Skipper Bologna (Italy)
2002 1 23 Tayshaun Prince United States Kentucky
2001 1 9 Rodney White United States Charlotte
2000 1 14 Mateen Cleaves United States Michigan State
1998 1 11 Bonzi Wells United States Ball State
1997 1 19 Scot Pollard United States Kansas
1996 1 26 Jerome Williams United States Georgetown
1995 1 18 Theo Ratliff United States Wyoming
1995 1 19 Randolph Childress United States Wake Forest
1994 1 3 Grant Hill United States Duke
1993 1 10 Lindsey Hunter United States Jackson State
1993 1 11 Allan Houston United States Tennessee
1992 1 19 Don MacLean United States UCLA

DroseReturnChi · Post #9 » by **DroseReturnChi** » Mon Nov 1, 2021 3:42 pm

he is going to be waived if not traded. hes a bust in yr 1.
give me sekou/jalen smith over this guy.

DroseReturnChi · Post #10 » by **DroseReturnChi** » Mon Nov 1, 2021 3:47 pm

UcanUwill wrote:Knew little about him, but I know he struggled in Europe too, and he wasnt playing on Euroleague team or anything like that, so its not surprising. I still havent figured how these scouts decide one Euro scrub is super hyped and the others not.

lets not even mention europe. he was hot trash in france and literally stat padded in euro cup which is a joke. this is why i am against drafting players who arent euro league players.

Post #11 » by **Duffman100** » Mon Nov 1, 2021 3:48 pm

Laimbeer wrote:Piston first rounders

Year, Round, Pick
2020 1 7 Killian Hayes France ratiopharm Ulm (Germany)
2020 1 16 Isaiah Stewart United States Washington
2019 1 15 Sekou Doumbouya France Limoges CSP
2017 1 12 Luke Kennard United States Duke
2016 1 18 Henry Ellenson United States Marquette
2015 1 8 Stanley Johnson United States Arizona
2013 1 8 Kentavious Caldwell-Pope United States Georgia
2012 1 9 Andre Drummond United States Connecticut
2011 1 8 Brandon Knight United States Kentucky
2010 1 7 Greg Monroe United States Georgetown
2009 1 15 Austin Daye United States Gonzaga
2008 1 29 D. J. White United States Indiana
2007 1 15 Rodney Stuckey United States Eastern Washington
2007 1 27 Arron Afflalo United States UCLA
2005 1 26 Jason Maxiell United States Cincinnati
2003 1 2 Darko Miličić Serbia and Montenegro Hemofarm Vršac (Serbia and Montenegro and Adriatic League)
2003 1 25 Carlos Delfino Argentina Skipper Bologna (Italy)
2002 1 23 Tayshaun Prince United States Kentucky
2001 1 9 Rodney White United States Charlotte
2000 1 14 Mateen Cleaves United States Michigan State
1998 1 11 Bonzi Wells United States Ball State
1997 1 19 Scot Pollard United States Kansas
1996 1 26 Jerome Williams United States Georgetown
1995 1 18 Theo Ratliff United States Wyoming
1995 1 19 Randolph Childress United States Wake Forest
1994 1 3 Grant Hill United States Duke
1993 1 10 Lindsey Hunter United States Jackson State
1993 1 11 Allan Houston United States Tennessee
1992 1 19 Don MacLean United States UCLA

Oh … dear

Mickey8 · Post #12 » by **Mickey8** » Mon Nov 1, 2021 3:59 pm

DroseReturnChi wrote:
UcanUwill wrote:Knew little about him, but I know he struggled in Europe too, and he wasnt playing on Euroleague team or anything like that, so its not surprising. I still havent figured how these scouts decide one Euro scrub is super hyped and the others not.

lets not even mention europe. he was hot trash in france and literally stat padded in euro cup which is a joke. this is why i am against drafting players who arent euro league players.

Players such as Nowitzki ,Jokic ,right :roll:

Hayes being a bad player has nothing to do with him playing for eurocup team. The young prospects rarely get action in euroleague, like the serious role on the teams, Doncic was that rare example.

Alatan · Post #13 » by **Alatan** » Mon Nov 1, 2021 4:00 pm

Duffman100 wrote:
Laimbeer wrote:Piston first rounders

Year, Round, Pick
2020 1 7 Killian Hayes France ratiopharm Ulm (Germany)
2020 1 16 Isaiah Stewart United States Washington
2019 1 15 Sekou Doumbouya France Limoges CSP
2017 1 12 Luke Kennard United States Duke
2016 1 18 Henry Ellenson United States Marquette
2015 1 8 Stanley Johnson United States Arizona
2013 1 8 Kentavious Caldwell-Pope United States Georgia
2012 1 9 Andre Drummond United States Connecticut
2011 1 8 Brandon Knight United States Kentucky
2010 1 7 Greg Monroe United States Georgetown
2009 1 15 Austin Daye United States Gonzaga
2008 1 29 D. J. White United States Indiana
2007 1 15 Rodney Stuckey United States Eastern Washington
2007 1 27 Arron Afflalo United States UCLA
2005 1 26 Jason Maxiell United States Cincinnati
2003 1 2 Darko Miličić Serbia and Montenegro Hemofarm Vršac (Serbia and Montenegro and Adriatic League)
2003 1 25 Carlos Delfino Argentina Skipper Bologna (Italy)
2002 1 23 Tayshaun Prince United States Kentucky
2001 1 9 Rodney White United States Charlotte
2000 1 14 Mateen Cleaves United States Michigan State
1998 1 11 Bonzi Wells United States Ball State
1997 1 19 Scot Pollard United States Kansas
1996 1 26 Jerome Williams United States Georgetown
1995 1 18 Theo Ratliff United States Wyoming
1995 1 19 Randolph Childress United States Wake Forest
1994 1 3 Grant Hill United States Duke
1993 1 10 Lindsey Hunter United States Jackson State
1993 1 11 Allan Houston United States Tennessee
1992 1 19 Don MacLean United States UCLA

Oh … dear

At this point they should trade all of their pick for the next 20 years. Or hire an exorcist.

CptCrunch · Post #14 » by **CptCrunch** » Mon Nov 1, 2021 4:01 pm

Laimbeer wrote:Piston first rounders

Year, Round, Pick
2020 1 7 Killian Hayes France ratiopharm Ulm (Germany)
2020 1 16 Isaiah Stewart United States Washington
2019 1 15 Sekou Doumbouya France Limoges CSP
2017 1 12 Luke Kennard United States Duke
2016 1 18 Henry Ellenson United States Marquette
2015 1 8 Stanley Johnson United States Arizona
2013 1 8 Kentavious Caldwell-Pope United States Georgia
2012 1 9 Andre Drummond United States Connecticut
2011 1 8 Brandon Knight United States Kentucky
2010 1 7 Greg Monroe United States Georgetown
2009 1 15 Austin Daye United States Gonzaga
2008 1 29 D. J. White United States Indiana
2007 1 15 Rodney Stuckey United States Eastern Washington
2007 1 27 Arron Afflalo United States UCLA
2005 1 26 Jason Maxiell United States Cincinnati
2003 1 2 Darko Miličić Serbia and Montenegro Hemofarm Vršac (Serbia and Montenegro and Adriatic League)
2003 1 25 Carlos Delfino Argentina Skipper Bologna (Italy)
2002 1 23 Tayshaun Prince United States Kentucky
2001 1 9 Rodney White United States Charlotte
2000 1 14 Mateen Cleaves United States Michigan State
1998 1 11 Bonzi Wells United States Ball State
1997 1 19 Scot Pollard United States Kansas
1996 1 26 Jerome Williams United States Georgetown
1995 1 18 Theo Ratliff United States Wyoming
1995 1 19 Randolph Childress United States Wake Forest
1994 1 3 Grant Hill United States Duke
1993 1 10 Lindsey Hunter United States Jackson State
1993 1 11 Allan Houston United States Tennessee
1992 1 19 Don MacLean United States UCLA

So the Pistons haven't drafted an star player since Grant Hill almost 30 years ago?

This is an near unbreakable curse placed on the prospects of Cade.

bstein14 · Post #15 » by **bstein14** » Mon Nov 1, 2021 4:06 pm

CptCrunch wrote:
Laimbeer wrote:Piston first rounders

Year, Round, Pick
2020 1 7 Killian Hayes France ratiopharm Ulm (Germany)
2020 1 16 Isaiah Stewart United States Washington
2019 1 15 Sekou Doumbouya France Limoges CSP
2017 1 12 Luke Kennard United States Duke
2016 1 18 Henry Ellenson United States Marquette
2015 1 8 Stanley Johnson United States Arizona
2013 1 8 Kentavious Caldwell-Pope United States Georgia
2012 1 9 Andre Drummond United States Connecticut
2011 1 8 Brandon Knight United States Kentucky
2010 1 7 Greg Monroe United States Georgetown
2009 1 15 Austin Daye United States Gonzaga
2008 1 29 D. J. White United States Indiana
2007 1 15 Rodney Stuckey United States Eastern Washington
2007 1 27 Arron Afflalo United States UCLA
2005 1 26 Jason Maxiell United States Cincinnati
2003 1 2 Darko Miličić Serbia and Montenegro Hemofarm Vršac (Serbia and Montenegro and Adriatic League)
2003 1 25 Carlos Delfino Argentina Skipper Bologna (Italy)
2002 1 23 Tayshaun Prince United States Kentucky
2001 1 9 Rodney White United States Charlotte
2000 1 14 Mateen Cleaves United States Michigan State
1998 1 11 Bonzi Wells United States Ball State
1997 1 19 Scot Pollard United States Kansas
1996 1 26 Jerome Williams United States Georgetown
1995 1 18 Theo Ratliff United States Wyoming
1995 1 19 Randolph Childress United States Wake Forest
1994 1 3 Grant Hill United States Duke
1993 1 10 Lindsey Hunter United States Jackson State
1993 1 11 Allan Houston United States Tennessee
1992 1 19 Don MacLean United States UCLA

So the Pistons haven't drafted an star player since Grant Hill almost 30 years ago?

This is an near unbreakable curse placed on the prospects of Cade.

That drafted Khris Middleton and gave him away to Milwaukee for nothing.

DroseReturnChi · Post #16 » by **DroseReturnChi** » Mon Nov 1, 2021 4:06 pm

CptCrunch wrote:
This is an near unbreakable curse placed on the prospects of Cade.

pistons have a horrible record drafting i wouldnt be surprised if cade busted bc of injuries. he is already not the best player which hayes was too when two other picks overperformed him. to me, bey and stewart were all luck. you dont draft hayes if your a drafting god like masai.

Tor_Raps · Post #17 » by **Tor_Raps** » Mon Nov 1, 2021 4:14 pm

Pistons need to send him to the G League but they don't want to declare another bust on their hands. Maybe they could still slave something from him.

ropjhk · Post #18 » by **ropjhk** » Mon Nov 1, 2021 4:16 pm

Laimbeer wrote:Piston first rounders

Year, Round, Pick
2020 1 7 Killian Hayes France ratiopharm Ulm (Germany)
2020 1 16 Isaiah Stewart United States Washington
2019 1 15 Sekou Doumbouya France Limoges CSP
2017 1 12 Luke Kennard United States Duke
2016 1 18 Henry Ellenson United States Marquette
2015 1 8 Stanley Johnson United States Arizona
2013 1 8 Kentavious Caldwell-Pope United States Georgia
2012 1 9 Andre Drummond United States Connecticut
2011 1 8 Brandon Knight United States Kentucky
2010 1 7 Greg Monroe United States Georgetown
2009 1 15 Austin Daye United States Gonzaga
2008 1 29 D. J. White United States Indiana
2007 1 15 Rodney Stuckey United States Eastern Washington
2007 1 27 Arron Afflalo United States UCLA
2005 1 26 Jason Maxiell United States Cincinnati
2003 1 2 Darko Miličić Serbia and Montenegro Hemofarm Vršac (Serbia and Montenegro and Adriatic League)
2003 1 25 Carlos Delfino Argentina Skipper Bologna (Italy)
2002 1 23 Tayshaun Prince United States Kentucky
2001 1 9 Rodney White United States Charlotte
2000 1 14 Mateen Cleaves United States Michigan State
1998 1 11 Bonzi Wells United States Ball State
1997 1 19 Scot Pollard United States Kansas
1996 1 26 Jerome Williams United States Georgetown
1995 1 18 Theo Ratliff United States Wyoming
1995 1 19 Randolph Childress United States Wake Forest
1994 1 3 Grant Hill United States Duke
1993 1 10 Lindsey Hunter United States Jackson State
1993 1 11 Allan Houston United States Tennessee
1992 1 19 Don MacLean United States UCLA

Not a great track record. The Pistons haven't drafted a star since Grant Hill and they aren't a free agent destination. Fully embracing tanking has never been a thing for Detroit either. The Pistons are stuck on a broken treadmill that keeps them in the 7-11 range.

Hopefully Cade turns into a star and leads the Pistons off the treadmill to move forward in progress.

Magic_Johnny12 · Post #19 » by **Magic_Johnny12** » Mon Nov 1, 2021 4:20 pm

I was a big fan of Killian and wanted him to drop to Orlando, but he has been a HUGE disappointment, from injuries to being in a perfect position to be successful and not taking advantage of opportunities. He lacks intensity and is BARELY a rotation player, I genuinely do not see a path of him and Cade co-existing. I blame Killian for Cades poor first game performance.

draftnightsuit · Post #20 » by **draftnightsuit** » Mon Nov 1, 2021 4:21 pm

Yeah he has no excuses. Some young players get parked on the bench but he’s been given a chance to start and show what he can do.

With that said, big PGs usually take time to develop.