I don't remember the last time I gave up on a Celtic team this soon

[return2glory]

It's been a long time since I gave up on a Celtics team this early in a season.

I don't even look forward to watching this team play mainly because of the poor rotations and a horrible coach.

This team plays with no effort, no heart, no passion and it's simply a bad coached team. Ime reminds me of a guy that
is forced to coach his 10 year old son's team because there is no one else that wants to coach the team. The guy is is not a
head coach.

I knew within the first 2 games that he is a bad coach but I said let's give it time. I was going to give him about 20 games, but personally, after starting 0-3 at home, he needs to go unless we are going to tank and go with a new coach in the off season.

Ime is setting new records for a Celtic's coach and the records are all bad. One of the worse defensive starts in Celtics team history. Also when was the last time the Celtics started 0-3 at home?

I'm more patient that this, but there are way too many signs that show Ime being a horrible coach.

At this point, I'm really leaning towards pulling for this team to lose most of their games this season so we can get a top 7 pick. I can't be the only one feeling this way. I'm not even mad at this point. I'm more like the players on this team, I just don't care for this team and that's saying a lot for me.

[robbie84]

Ok, byyyeeeee.

[SuperDeluxe]

The product on the floor doesn't make you feel all warm and fuzzy, but let's be honest: growing pains were to be expected. There were major changes during the offseason, with a raise in talent but also a new coach/system and old & new players adjusting to the new reality.

As Celtics fans, the 07-08 team probably spoiled us for a generation. Against all odds, that team gelled right away and won it all in their first year. That exception can't be expected to be the rule. (EDIT: I'm in no way saying that that team and this one are comparable. Just saying that with lots of changes you need a lot of adjustment.)

Impossible to know if the team will still suck 2-3 months from now or if they'll get it together, so we'll have to be patient to find out.

[Jaqua92]

The product on the floor doesn't make you feel all warm and fuzzy, but let's be honest: growing pains were to be expected. There were major changes during the offseason, with a raise in talent but also a new coach/system and old & new players adjusting to the new reality.

As Celtics fans, the 07-08 team probably spoiled us for a generation. Against all odds, that team gelled right away and won it all in their first year. That exception can't be expected to be the rule. (EDIT: I'm in no way saying that that team and this one are comparable. Just saying that with lots of changes you need a lot of adjustment.)

Impossible to know if the team will still suck 2-3 months from now or if they'll get it together, so we'll have to be patient to find out.

This isn't an issue of the team working out the kinks. We've seen the same blind faith year after year.

This is a personality/fit issue between the core players of this team.

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[return2glory]

As Celts17Pride posted this is the AOS by Sean Grande

Sean Grande
@SeanGrandePBP

A 55-25 close for Toronto to beat the Celtics in their home opener.

A 51-18 close for Chicago tonight over the final 14:20 to beat the Celtics by 14.

Boston now 0-3 at home, the three losses by a combined 55 points.

That's mostly on the coach. How bad of a coach do you have to be to lose home games this bad? He made no adjustments, didn't make the proper substitutions and just watched it all happen.

This is nearly all time bad for Celtics coaching with two all-stars.

[playa-hater]

In years past we were better. and when we weren't, sometimes injuries played a role. so we could at least say/hope, things will get better. well we had everyone healthy today and the other home game as well and still lost by 40 to Toronto.

I said it in the other thread, just give me something, anything to hope for and I will. But I see nothing.

[Taget]

I think everyone is judging this team far too harshly and using overly arbitrary metrics such as "do we score more points than the other team" or "do we win games" or "does the team play hard enough" when it is more appropriate to see a more holistic picture of a team trying to each individually be the best versions of themselves in a complex and often difficult world.

There is much we can be proud of such as Tatum experimenting with different hairstyles, Kanter's involvement in international foreign policy, and Romeo actually starting a season healthy. Why be negative and focus on our standing in the eastern conference and dismal playoff prospects when there is so much more for us to be positive about.

[Fierce1]

Marcus Smart just told the world that Jayson and Jaylen don't pass the ball.

If Smart continues to get this sacred cow treatment, Jayson and Jaylen will ask to be traded.

This is the team of Jayson and Jaylen, not Marcus Smart.

Right now Smart saying those things to the media doesn't help at all!

Brad really needs to trade Smart.

Smart is just too disruptive.

[Tyakack]

You are far from the only one that feels this way. This team looks like the same team from last year, if not worse. That team didn't get any better, why will this one? The core of this team will never win a championship with the way they play. Something has to give.

[GoGreen]

It's bad. Really bad. This team looks exactly like they have for some time now. The Jays might need to be split up...

[Fierce1]

It's bad. Really bad. This team looks exactly like they have for some time now. The Jays might need to be split up...

The Jays are not the problem.

Proof of this is back in 2019-20, Hayward's last season with Boston.

The Celts were the 3rd seed that season and they reached the eastern conference finals.

That season Hayward was playing a lot of Point Forward.
He was handling the ball a lot and making plays.

Marcus Smart was just a 6th man that season.

Celtic offense looked great until Hayward went down in Game 1 against the Sixers.

After Hayward went down, Smart became a starter and the offense was never the same.

Marcus Smart is the problem.

#1 reason is he's not a true PG.

#2 reason is he's a 6th man, not a starter.

And #3 he's just too unreliable.

[return2glory]

I don't buy that excuse that this is the same team as in years past. We were 1 game against from going to the Finals just two seasons ago.

0-3 start at home is the worst start in Celtics history.

All the moves Brad was making 2 months ago seemed good but they have been awful. Terrible coach and bad team leaders.

Kemba was a player that teammates loved and he brought the team close. When he was healthy, he was our 3rd star. Before that it was Hayward, Tatum, Kyrie and Brown.

Now it's Brown and Tatum with no 3rd star. Celtics are finding out just how bad of leaders Brown and Tatum are. None of these guys make their teammates better. They are individual players that need another star with them to hide their weaknesses. They need a true floor general. Smart as the starting PG is gross.

Ime has made things worst. I always felt Brad was the guy that kept this team relevant as a top coach in the league. People are starting to see that now.

Cornbread Maxwell has said for a while that Tatum and Brown aren't a good fit together, on and off the court. Maybe that's the case, maybe it's not. But surround them with shooters at least. The next few months will be interesting to see what happens as far if this team comes together or flops in a big way. I just don't have any confidence in this coach.

0-3 start at home is the worst start in Celtics history.

[Infinite Llamas]

Pritchard and Nesmith absolutely need to play at this point. If we are going to lose, at least give the young guys some burn.

[Fierce1]

0-3 start at home is the worst start in Celtics history?

Really???

What's holding this team back is Marcus Smart.

He's the de facto leader of this team and that's not a good thing.

I mean can you really blame the Jays if they're hesitant to pass to guys who are not shooters.

It's a different story if the Celts have Danny Green and Seth Curry and the Jays still refuse to pass to them.

The Celts need a new leader.

Someone that actually talks the talk and walks the walk.

A leader who leads by example.

Someone like Kevin Garnett!

[Fierce1]

Smart telling the media that the Jays don't pass the ball should be the last straw.

If the Jays get fed up by Smart's crap then the Jays will want out of Boston.

Us Celtic fans will be back to where we were in the summer of 2013 and that is hoping the Celts would get a top 3 pick in 2014.

[Spin Move]

I will go back to what I was saying all offseason, I really did not like the not going for cap space to sign beal or lavine approach. Extending Richardson made no sense and signing smart to a big deal when he is really a 2 and we are stacked with wings made little sense as well (I think smart is a good player but at those numbers he is not easy to trade).

It is a a new coach so I am trying not to judge (the rotations have not been great) but the roster is not as good as if we had not traded Kemba and re-signed fournier. I am not saying we should have done that. We ended up with Scroeder who is been not shooting well but is decent rental and Richardson, who is 2 years of bad money (I get he is an expiring next year).

The roster construction is not great, that is on Brad and to an extent Danny, but there is more talent then they are showing on the floor...the other night they were just horrible from three but they are playing horribly in 4th quarters at home for some reason and that has to be fixed, that is on the coach. Rob not playing is a factor but Smart, Tatum, Brown are all above average defenders when they want to be, there is no excuse for what is happening.

With that all said I amn not giving up on them, Just get Nesmith some shots and things will get better.

[ParticleMan]

I thought this team's lack of passion was a reflection of Brad last year. Looks like it's a reflection of themselves. When things start going bad, they have no idea how to respond, no idea how to increase their intensity in the right way to play winning basketball.

Smart has absolutely been a problem but the Jays are supposed to be our leaders. They've been handed the keys and they have no idea how to shift the gears. Tatum only plays at one speed and effort level, always, no matter what the other team is doing, and then he's great he's great and when he's bad he shrugs and keeps doing the same. Jaylen can't hit another gear without becoming a ugly shot/turnover machine. Ime hasn't changed the culture, he's just turned what used to be our strength (x's and o's) into a weakness.

I'm going to give it 20 games but things have to change, and i'm not even talking about W-L but in terms of the way we play and respond to other teams. it's early but the season is already on the brink.

[celtics543]

Why are we arguing about who's fault it is? It's all of their faults. This core of Smart/Brown/Tatum has been together for long enough and they are regressing as a team. We're starting to learn that Brad Stevens was holding this whole thing together the last few years and we weren't underachieving because of Brad, we were overachieving because of Brad. Ime Udoka looks completely overwhelmed and his reputation as a players coach is causing him to favor the vets and not call out Jaylen or Jayson.

If Udoka was doing what he should be in the locker room, Smart wouldn't feel compelled to bring it up to the media.

This team needs a real point guard to come in and set people up. I'm good with trading Marcus, Jaylen, or Jayson, I don't really care at this point.

[Gomes3PC]

No PG, a coach that seems more interested in post game quips than Xs and Os, and a completely disinterested defense.

It's a complete embarrassment how bad the defense is. With our current rotation, there's not a single below average defender playing, and yet we have the worst D in the NBA. Toss out the scheme issues (of which there are several), you just lay that at the feet of the Jays. Defense is an effort thing and if they're not putting it in, it permeates to everyone else.

[Ben-N1ce]

20 games seems to be the Magic number.I've seen zero progress from them. Absolutely none. This team should not be this piss poor defensively. Bulls got like 30 points straight off of misses or even made buckets. Absolutely pathetic.