Simple trade: Magic/Hornets: Anthony+Lopez for Bouknight+Carey

[mhd]

Note, that this trade can only commence on December 15.

WHY FOR ORLANDO?
1). Jalen Suggs needs the ball in his hands all game. He needs to be the PG and given the keys. As long as Anthony is there, he's can't develop. Starting him as a SG is not doing him any favors. Let him learn through his mistakes.
2). Bouknight gives them a young rookie (who obviously hasn't played) to battle with Hampton (assuming Harris and Ross are gone by mid-season).

WHY FOR CHARLOTTE?
1). Lopez gives them a much needed backup center.
2). Anthony is obviously having a great start this year, but he's better suited as a spark plug off the bench. He'll give them more than Bouknight will this year.

[Resistance]

It seems too sweet for Orlando and not sweet enough for Charlotte.

Bouknight still should be able to bring a better return than this.

[BadWolf]

Is Bouknight a better prospect then Cole? Haven't really paid attention but Cole's numbers stand out every now and then in the boxscore.

[spankymoore7]

Not ready to trade Bouknight...Charlotte passes

[Skybox]

Not sure where that valuation of Bouknight comes from. IF he is any good, CHA should let him play some before swapping him.
I think ORL ultimately moves Cole into the third guard role, still getting significant minutes or moves him for a bigger wing. Bouknight is not the kind of player or body type ORL needs...if he was, RJ Hampton would be playing more.
I love having Lopez deep on the bench, tutoring ORL's young centers and smacking guys around in practice...also, demonstrating toughness when needed against other teams. Carey can't get off the bench for a good team whose real need is a decent Center.

Not sure where Cole fits with CHA having Rozier and Lamelo both being so good at PG.

[mhd]

Not sure where that valuation of Bouknight comes from. IF he is any good, CHA should let him play some before swapping him.
I think ORL ultimately moves Cole into the third guard role, still getting significant minutes or moves him for a bigger wing. Bouknight is not the kind of player or body type ORL needs...if he was, RJ Hampton would be playing more.
I love having Lopez deep on the bench, tutoring ORL's young centers and smacking guys around in practice...also, demonstrating toughness when needed against other teams. Carey can't get off the bench for a good team whose real need is a decent Center.

Not sure where Cole fits with CHA having Rozier and Lamelo both being so good at PG.

RLO is a great vet. He was excellent in Washington last year. I figure he might be a prime trade candidate come deadline day for teams looking for a center (Charlotte and Toronto come to mind easily). Orlando could get a future 2nd for him.

Toronto might trade Boucher+future 2nd for Lopez straight up. It keeps the Raptors out of the tax and gives them a needed backup center.

[Skybox]

Not sure where that valuation of Bouknight comes from. IF he is any good, CHA should let him play some before swapping him.
I think ORL ultimately moves Cole into the third guard role, still getting significant minutes or moves him for a bigger wing. Bouknight is not the kind of player or body type ORL needs...if he was, RJ Hampton would be playing more.
I love having Lopez deep on the bench, tutoring ORL's young centers and smacking guys around in practice...also, demonstrating toughness when needed against other teams. Carey can't get off the bench for a good team whose real need is a decent Center.

Not sure where Cole fits with CHA having Rozier and Lamelo both being so good at PG.

RLO is a great vet. He was excellent in Washington last year. I figure he might be a prime trade candidate come deadline day for teams looking for a center (Charlotte and Toronto come to mind easily). Orlando could get a future 2nd for him.

Toronto might trade Boucher+future 2nd for Lopez straight up. It keeps the Raptors out of the tax and gives them a needed backup center.

I really love RoLo as a solid vet. I'd rather keep him around, rather than move him for a 2nd (or someone like Carey)...it's possible that he and the ORL FO had a vision in mind for him at the Trade Deadline. Perhaps they discussed a mentor role for him with the understanding that they'd shop him to a playoff team (with his OK) later...or, maybe he's just content with this role at this point. No doubt he's capable of contributing minutes somewhere...I'm honestly surprised he left MIL for the role in ORL-but I appreciate it.

[tiderulz]

Not sure where that valuation of Bouknight comes from. IF he is any good, CHA should let him play some before swapping him.
I think ORL ultimately moves Cole into the third guard role, still getting significant minutes or moves him for a bigger wing. Bouknight is not the kind of player or body type ORL needs...if he was, RJ Hampton would be playing more.
I love having Lopez deep on the bench, tutoring ORL's young centers and smacking guys around in practice...also, demonstrating toughness when needed against other teams. Carey can't get off the bench for a good team whose real need is a decent Center.

Not sure where Cole fits with CHA having Rozier and Lamelo both being so good at PG.

questions. What kind of player is Bouknight? and what does Orlando need?

[Skybox]

Not sure where that valuation of Bouknight comes from. IF he is any good, CHA should let him play some before swapping him.
I think ORL ultimately moves Cole into the third guard role, still getting significant minutes or moves him for a bigger wing. Bouknight is not the kind of player or body type ORL needs...if he was, RJ Hampton would be playing more.
I love having Lopez deep on the bench, tutoring ORL's young centers and smacking guys around in practice...also, demonstrating toughness when needed against other teams. Carey can't get off the bench for a good team whose real need is a decent Center.

Not sure where Cole fits with CHA having Rozier and Lamelo both being so good at PG.

questions. What kind of player is Bouknight? and what does Orlando need?

My understanding of Bouknight is that he is an undersized SG, not a great 3pt shooter, not a defender...in college, he was a prolific scorer, but may or may not translate to NBA without the physical explosiveness or strength & size to score at the rim or midlevel like he did...if he develops into a great shooter, he might but a small DeRozan may not work in the NBA. Or, maybe, Malik Monk without the explosive athleticism but maybe more shiftiness in his scoring(?). CHA fans, correct me if I'm wrong-I'm basing on combo of pre-draft analysis and fact that he averages like one minute per game.

I (emphasis on I) think ORL needs a long SG/SF type who can put it on the floor AND be a legit floor-spreader and defender...basically, another Franz, but doesn't need to be 6-9. Ideally, Vassell/Mikael Bridges/Reddish type player profile, IMO.

[durantbird]

Doesn't seem like a good deal for Orlando. Cole Anthony shows All-Star potential, while Bouknight still showed nothing

[Texas Chuck]

Yeah I'm not sure why people are saying Bouknight has more value than Anthony atm. Just he was drafted higher?

I also think Charlotte needs to aim higher at center.

[tiderulz]

Not sure where that valuation of Bouknight comes from. IF he is any good, CHA should let him play some before swapping him.
I think ORL ultimately moves Cole into the third guard role, still getting significant minutes or moves him for a bigger wing. Bouknight is not the kind of player or body type ORL needs...if he was, RJ Hampton would be playing more.
I love having Lopez deep on the bench, tutoring ORL's young centers and smacking guys around in practice...also, demonstrating toughness when needed against other teams. Carey can't get off the bench for a good team whose real need is a decent Center.

Not sure where Cole fits with CHA having Rozier and Lamelo both being so good at PG.

questions. What kind of player is Bouknight? and what does Orlando need?

My understanding of Bouknight is that he is an undersized SG, not a great 3pt shooter, not a defender...in college, he was a prolific scorer, but may or may not translate to NBA without the physical explosiveness or strength & size to score at the rim or midlevel like he did...if he develops into a great shooter, he might but a small DeRozan may not work in the NBA. Or, maybe, Malik Monk without the explosive athleticism but maybe more shiftiness in his scoring(?). CHA fans, correct me if I'm wrong-I'm basing on combo of pre-draft analysis and fact that he averages like one minute per game.

I (emphasis on I) think ORL needs a long SG/SF type who can put it on the floor AND be a legit floor-spreader and defender...basically, another Franz, but doesn't need to be 6-9. Ideally, Vassell/Mikael Bridges/Reddish type player profile, IMO.

Bouknight is 6'5 with 6'8 wingspan. that is not undersized for a SG.

secondly, you talk about someone that can put it on the floor and score, that is Bouknight in college. We got plenty of defenders, we need scorers. Vassell? he doesnt defend. Reddish? he isnt good on offense yet.

[mhd]

Doesn't seem like a good deal for Orlando. Cole Anthony shows All-Star potential, while Bouknight still showed nothing

Nah, Anthony is an ideal spark-plug off the bench guy. Orlando drafted Suggs for a reason. Just give him the PG duties and get him experience right away. Playing Suggs off the ball is idiocy. As long as Anthony is there, he's going to play like he's the alpha. He's got irrational confidence.

[HornetJail]

Not sure where that valuation of Bouknight comes from. IF he is any good, CHA should let him play some before swapping him.
I think ORL ultimately moves Cole into the third guard role, still getting significant minutes or moves him for a bigger wing. Bouknight is not the kind of player or body type ORL needs...if he was, RJ Hampton would be playing more.
I love having Lopez deep on the bench, tutoring ORL's young centers and smacking guys around in practice...also, demonstrating toughness when needed against other teams. Carey can't get off the bench for a good team whose real need is a decent Center.

Not sure where Cole fits with CHA having Rozier and Lamelo both being so good at PG.

Rozier is about as far away from a PG as guards get... he is amazing when playing off the ball, and horrible when playing on it.

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I'd be fine with this deal, I do like Anthony as a long-term 6th man option, but if we're going to use Bouk as trade bait, it should be in a package for a quality starting level center.

[BarbaGrizz]

Why Bouknight is not playing? Is he injured?

[HornetJail]

Why Bouknight is not playing? Is he injured?

just no consistent minutes available on the wings.

Even when Rozier has split time between SG and PG (he should be a pure SG but that's another discussion), Oubre, Martin, Hayward are getting most of the remaining SF/SG minutes and doing well with them. When Hayward eventually has an injury, I think we'll see him then, as Oubre would slide to the starting SF position and open up a ton of guard minutes.

[Skybox]

questions. What kind of player is Bouknight? and what does Orlando need?

My understanding of Bouknight is that he is an undersized SG, not a great 3pt shooter, not a defender...in college, he was a prolific scorer, but may or may not translate to NBA without the physical explosiveness or strength & size to score at the rim or midlevel like he did...if he develops into a great shooter, he might but a small DeRozan may not work in the NBA. Or, maybe, Malik Monk without the explosive athleticism but maybe more shiftiness in his scoring(?). CHA fans, correct me if I'm wrong-I'm basing on combo of pre-draft analysis and fact that he averages like one minute per game.

I (emphasis on I) think ORL needs a long SG/SF type who can put it on the floor AND be a legit floor-spreader and defender...basically, another Franz, but doesn't need to be 6-9. Ideally, Vassell/Mikael Bridges/Reddish type player profile, IMO.

Bouknight is 6'5 with 6'8 wingspan. that is not undersized for a SG.

secondly, you talk about someone that can put it on the floor and score, that is Bouknight in college. We got plenty of defenders, we need scorers. Vassell? he doesnt defend. Reddish? he isnt good on offense yet.

One of us is wrong about all 3 of those things...(also very likely we're looking at different info sources)

From Chad Ford's comments right after the combine...
"James Bouknight (6’3.5”) without shoes

Analysis: Height matters in the NBA and none of these measurements are great relative to the players’ positions.
...Johnson, Bouknight and Christopher all are pretty undersized for the 2-guard position, though all three have fairly decent wingspans." Admittedly, 6'5 isn't truly short, but he looks like a "small guy" to me-maybe it's his frame too.

Vassell came into the draft as more of a defender than anything else. Prototypical 3 and D...admittedly limited handles (which I probably overstated as critical, IMO). Mike Schmitz (who I think is the best draft breakdown guy) said "Devin Vassell, one of the best wing defenders in the draft. There’s a lot to like about Vassell’s defensive versatility and off-ball playmaking at 6-7 with a 7-0 wingspan. The FSU wing averaged 1.4 steals and 1.0 blocks in just 28.5 minutes".

Reddish has shown, particularly this season, that he can explode offensively on occasion..or if he was on a team not dominated by other scorers - I think he has star potential on both ends and great size-he just didn't hit the NBA running like some rooks...some guys take a few seasons and the Hawks are LOADED with one way offensive players.

[tiderulz]

My understanding of Bouknight is that he is an undersized SG, not a great 3pt shooter, not a defender...in college, he was a prolific scorer, but may or may not translate to NBA without the physical explosiveness or strength & size to score at the rim or midlevel like he did...if he develops into a great shooter, he might but a small DeRozan may not work in the NBA. Or, maybe, Malik Monk without the explosive athleticism but maybe more shiftiness in his scoring(?). CHA fans, correct me if I'm wrong-I'm basing on combo of pre-draft analysis and fact that he averages like one minute per game.

I (emphasis on I) think ORL needs a long SG/SF type who can put it on the floor AND be a legit floor-spreader and defender...basically, another Franz, but doesn't need to be 6-9. Ideally, Vassell/Mikael Bridges/Reddish type player profile, IMO.

Bouknight is 6'5 with 6'8 wingspan. that is not undersized for a SG.

secondly, you talk about someone that can put it on the floor and score, that is Bouknight in college. We got plenty of defenders, we need scorers. Vassell? he doesnt defend. Reddish? he isnt good on offense yet.

One of us is wrong about all 3 of those things...(also very likely we're looking at different info sources)

From Chad Ford's comments right after the combine...
"James Bouknight (6’3.5”) without shoes

Analysis: Height matters in the NBA and none of these measurements are great relative to the players’ positions.
...Johnson, Bouknight and Christopher all are pretty undersized for the 2-guard position, though all three have fairly decent wingspans." Admittedly, 6'5 isn't truly short, but he looks like a "small guy" to me-maybe it's his frame too.

Vassell came into the draft as more of a defender than anything else. Prototypical 3 and D...admittedly limited handles (which I probably overstated as critical, IMO). Mike Schmitz (who I think is the best draft breakdown guy) said "Devin Vassell, one of the best wing defenders in the draft. There’s a lot to like about Vassell’s defensive versatility and off-ball playmaking at 6-7 with a 7-0 wingspan. The FSU wing averaged 1.4 steals and 1.0 blocks in just 28.5 minutes".

Reddish has shown, particularly this season, that he can explode offensively on occasion..or if he was on a team not dominated by other scorers - I think he has star potential on both ends and great size-he just didn't hit the NBA running like some rooks...some guys take a few seasons and the Hawks are LOADED with one way offensive players.

when players start playing barefoot, then ill take barefoot height. Height DOES NOT matter. what does it matter if someone has a longer neck than someone else? its wingspan and standing reach.

[Skybox]

Bouknight is 6'5 with 6'8 wingspan. that is not undersized for a SG.

secondly, you talk about someone that can put it on the floor and score, that is Bouknight in college. We got plenty of defenders, we need scorers. Vassell? he doesnt defend. Reddish? he isnt good on offense yet.

One of us is wrong about all 3 of those things...(also very likely we're looking at different info sources)

From Chad Ford's comments right after the combine...
"James Bouknight (6’3.5”) without shoes

Analysis: Height matters in the NBA and none of these measurements are great relative to the players’ positions.
...Johnson, Bouknight and Christopher all are pretty undersized for the 2-guard position, though all three have fairly decent wingspans." Admittedly, 6'5 isn't truly short, but he looks like a "small guy" to me-maybe it's his frame too.

Vassell came into the draft as more of a defender than anything else. Prototypical 3 and D...admittedly limited handles (which I probably overstated as critical, IMO). Mike Schmitz (who I think is the best draft breakdown guy) said "Devin Vassell, one of the best wing defenders in the draft. There’s a lot to like about Vassell’s defensive versatility and off-ball playmaking at 6-7 with a 7-0 wingspan. The FSU wing averaged 1.4 steals and 1.0 blocks in just 28.5 minutes".

Reddish has shown, particularly this season, that he can explode offensively on occasion..or if he was on a team not dominated by other scorers - I think he has star potential on both ends and great size-he just didn't hit the NBA running like some rooks...some guys take a few seasons and the Hawks are LOADED with one way offensive players.

when players start playing barefoot, then ill take barefoot height. Height DOES NOT matter. what does it matter if someone has a longer neck than someone else? its wingspan and standing reach.

I didn't miss the barefoot thing...but Chad Ford and I agree he's smallish for his position. He's a little below the ideal size for that spot, particularly for his (college) style of play...I may be wrong (I only said one of us was) about him, maybe when they let him play, we'll find out.

[tiderulz]

One of us is wrong about all 3 of those things...(also very likely we're looking at different info sources)

From Chad Ford's comments right after the combine...
"James Bouknight (6’3.5”) without shoes

Analysis: Height matters in the NBA and none of these measurements are great relative to the players’ positions.
...Johnson, Bouknight and Christopher all are pretty undersized for the 2-guard position, though all three have fairly decent wingspans." Admittedly, 6'5 isn't truly short, but he looks like a "small guy" to me-maybe it's his frame too.

Vassell came into the draft as more of a defender than anything else. Prototypical 3 and D...admittedly limited handles (which I probably overstated as critical, IMO). Mike Schmitz (who I think is the best draft breakdown guy) said "Devin Vassell, one of the best wing defenders in the draft. There’s a lot to like about Vassell’s defensive versatility and off-ball playmaking at 6-7 with a 7-0 wingspan. The FSU wing averaged 1.4 steals and 1.0 blocks in just 28.5 minutes".

Reddish has shown, particularly this season, that he can explode offensively on occasion..or if he was on a team not dominated by other scorers - I think he has star potential on both ends and great size-he just didn't hit the NBA running like some rooks...some guys take a few seasons and the Hawks are LOADED with one way offensive players.

when players start playing barefoot, then ill take barefoot height. Height DOES NOT matter. what does it matter if someone has a longer neck than someone else? its wingspan and standing reach.

I didn't miss the barefoot thing...but Chad Ford and I agree he's smallish for his position. He's a little below the ideal size for that spot, particularly for his (college) style of play...I may be wrong (I only said one of us was) about him, maybe when they let him play, we'll find out.

Bradley Beal is 6'3. Donovan Mitchell is 6'1. Booker is 6'5, CJ is 6'3, Seth Curry 6'2, Gary Trent 6'5, Jalen Green 6'4, Eric Gordon 6'3, Tyler Herro 6'5, Malik Beasley 6'4. They all seem to do fairly well at SG with similar height or less. again, it isnt the height, its your reach and wingspan that really matters.