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Who has had more impact so far this year? Anthony Davis or Nic Batum?

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Who has had more impact so far this year? Anthony Davis or Nic Batum? 

Post#1 » by OkcSinceSGA » Sun Nov 14, 2021 6:44 am

People are wondering if AD is a legit superstar this year, I’m more wondering if his impact is even Nic Batum level. Batum is randomly having a DPOY level year, guarding 5 positions, and being a monster in terms of metrics. He started the year badly but is making up ground. Obviously AD has bigger raw stats, BUT far inferior efficiency, and defense.


AD: 55% TS, WS/48 .175, 1.8 BPM, VORP of .4. RAPTOR overall -.4.

Batum: 70% TS, WS/48 .200, BPM 5.5, VORP of .5. RAPTOR overall +4.9.

Batum also has an edge in Net rating, which will grow a lot after tonight.

These are sadly box score stats, but without bigger samples other ones aren’t out yet.

Who has been the better player to start the year in terms of impact on winning?
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Post#2 » by Dominator83 » Sun Nov 14, 2021 6:50 am

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Post#3 » by baldur » Sun Nov 14, 2021 7:21 am

the way nic batum performed when he was earning 30M is much worse than the way he is performing now while earning 2M despite he aged. Same applies to Blake Griffin.

I wouldn't like this sort of ethical value in life, no matter what.
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Post#4 » by Mauro Pedrosa » Sun Nov 14, 2021 7:29 am

baldur wrote:the way nic batum performed when he was earning 30M is much worse than the way he is performing now while earning 2M despite he aged. Same applies to Blake Griffin.

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Post#5 » by The Laker Kid » Sun Nov 14, 2021 7:45 am

Nic Batum of course
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Post#6 » by Mavrelous » Sun Nov 14, 2021 8:54 am

Batum is really underrated, if he's not asked to create offense he's a great defensive big, very switchable, very good rim protector, with good 3pt shot and cutting ability, Clippers got an absolute bargain on him, quite frankly, even with Kawhi's and PG's heroic efforts against the Mavs last year and Reggie Jackson insane shooting, they would've lost w/o Batum, he's the one that made their small lineup work.
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Post#7 » by rand » Sun Nov 14, 2021 12:18 pm

Pop once said he likes older vets who are "over themselves", meaning fully embracing being a cog with all your heart. Batum has embraced being a 3&D player. He used to score and manufacture assists off the dribble, now he catches and immediately shoots if wide open or passes the ball, and all of that energy saved not creating offense goes into his defense. I bet he's shifted a lot of offseason work from creating with the ball to spot up 3pt shooting. He also looks physically larger and stronger than in his Blazers days.

Ironically, if Batum had dedicated himself to being this kind of player his entire career he would have been more valuable to his teams while making less money.
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Post#8 » by hauntedcomputer » Sun Nov 14, 2021 12:24 pm

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Ironically, if Batum had dedicated himself to being this kind of player his entire career he would have been more valuable to his teams while making less money.


This right here explains 90 percent of what happens on an NBA court and why only a few teams are contenders.
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Re: Who has had more impact so far this year? Anthony Davis or Nic Batum? 

Post#9 » by og15 » Sun Nov 14, 2021 1:27 pm

Comparing players with absolutely different roles is a tough exercise. Batum would be trash as a first or second option. Davis could be a great only finish, defend and rebound big man who doesn't create any offense, but he has more skills than that, AND his team needs him to do more than that.

So comparing totally different spectrums of roles and saying "look smaller role player is more impactful" is a mistake many make. Batum is more impactful in that role, but give them the same role (either both 1/2 options or both role players) and who is more impactful?
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Post#10 » by OkcSinceSGA » Sun Nov 14, 2021 3:50 pm

og15 wrote:Comparing players with absolutely different roles is a tough exercise. Batum would be trash as a first or second option. Davis could be a great only finish, defend and rebound big man who doesn't create any offense, but he has more skills than that, AND his team needs him to do more than that.

So comparing totally different spectrums of roles and saying "look smaller role player is more impactful" is a mistake many make. Batum is more impactful in that role, but give them the same role (either both 1/2 options or both role players) and who is more impactful?


True, AD has bigger responsibility in his role, and is the more gifted player. Unfortunately that doesn’t necessarily dictate impact. Davis seems to get in his own way a lot. An internal conflict of what he’s trying to be vs what he SHOULD be in the modern NBA. He had one great defensive year in his career (2019-2020), and hasn’t had another probably.

There is zero reason a 32 year old Batum with mediocre athleticism, should be the better perimeter AND rim defender at this stage in their careers. It comes down to IQ and effort.
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Post#11 » by Lockdown504090 » Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:11 pm

OKCfanSinceSGA wrote:
og15 wrote:Comparing players with absolutely different roles is a tough exercise. Batum would be trash as a first or second option. Davis could be a great only finish, defend and rebound big man who doesn't create any offense, but he has more skills than that, AND his team needs him to do more than that.

So comparing totally different spectrums of roles and saying "look smaller role player is more impactful" is a mistake many make. Batum is more impactful in that role, but give them the same role (either both 1/2 options or both role players) and who is more impactful?


True, AD has bigger responsibility in his role, and is the more gifted player. Unfortunately that doesn’t necessarily dictate impact. Davis seems to get in his own way a lot. An internal conflict of what he’s trying to be vs what he SHOULD be in the modern NBA. He had one great defensive year in his career (2019-2020), and hasn’t had another probably.

There is zero reason a 32 year old Batum with mediocre athleticism, should be the better perimeter AND rim defender at this stage in their careers. It comes down to IQ and effort.
yeah it does. if AD isnt performing his role, someone worse has to do it and thats a negative impact. Batum is only allowed to do what he does because he has a smaller role because he has guys to take the pressure off him? Batum in a bigger role would be the same injured all the time guy he was in charolotte, but with worse efficency. You cant just read 4 numbers out of context and determine impact. by some of these metrics, batum should be in the mvp race.
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Post#12 » by OkcSinceSGA » Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:16 pm

Lockdown504090 wrote:
OKCfanSinceSGA wrote:
og15 wrote:Comparing players with absolutely different roles is a tough exercise. Batum would be trash as a first or second option. Davis could be a great only finish, defend and rebound big man who doesn't create any offense, but he has more skills than that, AND his team needs him to do more than that.

So comparing totally different spectrums of roles and saying "look smaller role player is more impactful" is a mistake many make. Batum is more impactful in that role, but give them the same role (either both 1/2 options or both role players) and who is more impactful?


True, AD has bigger responsibility in his role, and is the more gifted player. Unfortunately that doesn’t necessarily dictate impact. Davis seems to get in his own way a lot. An internal conflict of what he’s trying to be vs what he SHOULD be in the modern NBA. He had one great defensive year in his career (2019-2020), and hasn’t had another probably.

There is zero reason a 32 year old Batum with mediocre athleticism, should be the better perimeter AND rim defender at this stage in their careers. It comes down to IQ and effort.
yeah it does. if AD isnt performing his role, someone worse has to do it and thats a negative impact. Batum is only allowed to do what he does because he has a smaller role because he has guys to take the pressure off him? Batum in a bigger role would be the same injured all the time guy he was in charolotte, but with worse efficency. You cant just read 4 numbers out of context and determine impact. by some of these metrics, batum should be in the mvp race.


Notice my question isn’t who is the better player? That would be AD. Who is impacting their team’s winning more this year so far? Yes, of course Batum couldn’t do AD’s role. Not sure AD could do his more specialist 3+D role that guards 5 positions every night either.
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Post#13 » by johanliebert » Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:19 pm

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Post#14 » by Lockdown504090 » Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:22 pm

OKCfanSinceSGA wrote:
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True, AD has bigger responsibility in his role, and is the more gifted player. Unfortunately that doesn’t necessarily dictate impact. Davis seems to get in his own way a lot. An internal conflict of what he’s trying to be vs what he SHOULD be in the modern NBA. He had one great defensive year in his career (2019-2020), and hasn’t had another probably.

There is zero reason a 32 year old Batum with mediocre athleticism, should be the better perimeter AND rim defender at this stage in their careers. It comes down to IQ and effort.
yeah it does. if AD isnt performing his role, someone worse has to do it and thats a negative impact. Batum is only allowed to do what he does because he has a smaller role because he has guys to take the pressure off him? Batum in a bigger role would be the same injured all the time guy he was in charolotte, but with worse efficency. You cant just read 4 numbers out of context and determine impact. by some of these metrics, batum should be in the mvp race.


Notice my question isn’t who is the better player? That would be AD. Who is impacting their team’s winning more this year so far? Yes, of course Batum couldn’t do AD’s role. Not sure AD could do his more specialist 3+D role either that guards 5 positions every night.

AD was the best defender in 2020 playoffs and guarded jokic lillard and jimmy butler better than batum can, and is still doing a great job at the rim and on the perimeter despite looking pretty gassed quite often. by having a smaller role, you are just having a smaller impact on winning the game, because somebody has to do those larger roles, batum can be as good as they want in his role, but that job is not able to be perfomed without pg. An assistant can be as good as they want, but they cant be more impactful than a good surgeon if somebodys in the ER.
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Post#15 » by druggas » Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:42 pm

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Post#16 » by kobe_vs_jordan » Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:44 pm

First and second options will always impact winning more than role players.

What batum is doing on the court only translates to wins if PG13 does his part.

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