2021-22 NBA MVP Discussion (Pt. 1)

[GSP]

Curry with 2 ice water clutch shots to win the game tonight. That's what MVP's do.

I LOVED Coy Kerrs decision to bench Steph for Payton on the crucial defensive possession and he got the game stealing stop/turnover on Caris Levert to basically win the game. Terrific coaching.

[GSP]

Clips are 3-1 without Pg13 i know George had a quiet Mvp thing going early but we can dead that. Demars will be dead soon too.

Ty Lue not being top 10 Coy betting line is an ATROCITY

[Big J]

Curry with 2 ice water clutch shots to win the game tonight. That's what MVP's do.

I LOVED Coy Kerrs decision to bench Steph for Payton on the crucial defensive possession and he got the game stealing stop/turnover on Caris Levert to basically win the game. Terrific coaching.

…and Curry cheered him on like true leaders do.

[Rakkasan]

KD and Giannis are the two best players in the NBA, regardless of who wins the MVP.

[maxwellcu]

I’ll take the reigning MVP with a 35 PER surrounded by a bunch of guys who don’t belong on an NBA court.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Yeah, three years ago, maybe.

Call me when Jokic wins a Championship. Something all of those guys have done as the best guy.

Weren't all of them, with the exception of Kawhi, ringless at 26? And Kawhi likely wasn't even the best player on the 2014 Spurs (that team probably had four second options and amazing team-play and chemistry).

Talent level of the league is just higher than it was back then.

[FinnTheHuman]

Call me when Jokic wins a Championship. Something all of those guys have done as the best guy.

Weren't all of them, with the exception of Kawhi, ringless at 26? And Kawhi likely wasn't even the best player on the 2014 Spurs (that team probably had four second options and amazing team-play and chemistry).

Talent level of the league is just higher than it was back then.

Nobody respects your opinion, because you don't lay out any argumentation that's not a vague generality, and which seems to be in service of a select few that you're irrationally favoring. Maybe try with more than a couple of sentences per post if you want to be taken seriously.

[dribble1614]

at this point it is a very obvious 3-horse race between the 3 best players in basketball - giannis, durant and curry. nobody else will really come close.

[Cubbies2120]

Call me when Jokic wins a Championship. Something all of those guys have done as the best guy.

Weren't all of them, with the exception of Kawhi, ringless at 26? And Kawhi likely wasn't even the best player on the 2014 Spurs (that team probably had four second options and amazing team-play and chemistry).

Talent level of the league is just higher than it was back then.

Led by the guy absolutely demolishing the PER single season record by over 2.5 points above 2nd place, while missing two max contract players. Insanity.

Leads league in:
PER (all time) at 35
VORP
OWS
WS/48
BPM
OBPM
DBPM

While throwing up 27/14/7 on 58/37/75 splits and 66% TS.

Bonkers.

[mcmurphy]

Jokic is not even a top 5 player in the NBA.

KD, Giannis, Kawhi, Steph, LeBron are all easily better.

Yeah, three years ago, maybe.

Call me when Jokic wins a Championship. Something all of those guys have done as the best guy.

Dude, if Jokic played with GSW from 2017 to 2019 as KD I'm sure by now he would have 3 rings considering his physical health... before 25 years old.

[cpower]

Curry not his best form but still leading the team to a great record with Wiggins being our 2nd best player.

Wiggins is not better than Draymond Green lmao.

this season its pretty close. Draymond has zero offensive ability right now, so he will sometimes completely no show for a few games. Yes his D has been overall good but we played a team defense and GP2 has been arguably better defender. Wggins has been playing his best basketball in his career so its not wrong to call him the 2nd best on this team now.

[bstein14]

When Klay comes back does it hurt Curry's MVP chances? Same could be said if Irving comes back to play half the season for Brooklyn. Those guys are going to get/need 15 FGAs per night so its a matter of who ends up getting less with them back in the mix. Also Giannis is always going to look like he carries a larger load than KD or Curry if Brooklyn and GS are are full strength.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Weren't all of them, with the exception of Kawhi, ringless at 26? And Kawhi likely wasn't even the best player on the 2014 Spurs (that team probably had four second options and amazing team-play and chemistry).

Talent level of the league is just higher than it was back then.

Nobody respects your opinion, because you don't lay out any argumentation that's not a vague generality, and which seems to be in service of a select few that you're irrationally favoring. Maybe try with more than a couple of sentences per post if you want to be taken seriously.

Its so irrational to favor guys who have won Championships and proven it over guys who haven't. You're right I'm so crazy.

If you want me to elaborate on my views I can. You don't have to be a jerk about it.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Weren't all of them, with the exception of Kawhi, ringless at 26? And Kawhi likely wasn't even the best player on the 2014 Spurs (that team probably had four second options and amazing team-play and chemistry).

Talent level of the league is just higher than it was back then.

Led by the guy absolutely demolishing the PER single season record by over 2.5 points above 2nd place, while missing two max contract players. Insanity.

Leads league in:
PER (all time) at 35
VORP
OWS
WS/48
BPM
OBPM
DBPM

While throwing up 27/14/7 on 58/37/75 splits and 66% TS.

Bonkers.

Yes hes very good in terms of stats in the regular season.

Hes also a bad defender on a team that has never been good defensively.

And he was severely outplayed by LeBron and Davis in the WCF when he had a real chance to win a Championship.

I need to see more than great regular stats to pretend like hes the best player in the world. Common sense.

[Statlanta]

When Klay comes back does it hurt Curry's MVP chances? Same could be said if Irving comes back to play half the season for Brooklyn. Those guys are going to get/need 15 FGAs per night so its a matter of who ends up getting less with them back in the mix. Also Giannis is always going to look like he carries a larger load than KD or Curry if Brooklyn and GS are are full strength.

The same could be said when Jamal Murray and Brook Lopez get healthy. Jokic is being forced some offensive primacy and Giannis some defensive primacy because their starters are out.

[Kurtz]

Talent level of the league is just higher than it was back then.

Led by the guy absolutely demolishing the PER single season record by over 2.5 points above 2nd place, while missing two max contract players. Insanity.

Leads league in:
PER (all time) at 35
VORP
OWS
WS/48
BPM
OBPM
DBPM

While throwing up 27/14/7 on 58/37/75 splits and 66% TS.

Bonkers.

Yes hes very good in terms of stats in the regular season.

Hes also a bad defender on a team that has never been good defensively.

And he was severely outplayed by LeBron and Davis in the WCF when he had a real chance to win a Championship.

I need to see more than great regular stats to pretend like hes the best player in the world. Common sense.

Joker's been very good defensively this year:

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/nba-defensive-rating-leaders-this-season

[Cubbies2120]

Talent level of the league is just higher than it was back then.

Led by the guy absolutely demolishing the PER single season record by over 2.5 points above 2nd place, while missing two max contract players. Insanity.

Leads league in:
PER (all time) at 35
VORP
OWS
WS/48
BPM
OBPM
DBPM

While throwing up 27/14/7 on 58/37/75 splits and 66% TS.

Bonkers.

Yes hes very good in terms of stats in the regular season.

Hes also a bad defender on a team that has never been good defensively.

And he was severely outplayed by LeBron and Davis in the WCF when he had a real chance to win a Championship.

I need to see more than great regular stats to pretend like hes the best player in the world. Common sense.

Wait I thought this was regular season MVP discussion? What do playoff results from 2 years ago have to do with this?

He was averaging <20 ppg and < 10 rpg in the season you mentioned. He has SIGNIFICANTLY improved since then, and his NBA history setting numbers are evidence of that...

[Cubbies2120]

Led by the guy absolutely demolishing the PER single season record by over 2.5 points above 2nd place, while missing two max contract players. Insanity.

Leads league in:
PER (all time) at 35
VORP
OWS
WS/48
BPM
OBPM
DBPM

While throwing up 27/14/7 on 58/37/75 splits and 66% TS.

Bonkers.

Yes hes very good in terms of stats in the regular season.

Hes also a bad defender on a team that has never been good defensively.

And he was severely outplayed by LeBron and Davis in the WCF when he had a real chance to win a Championship.

I need to see more than great regular stats to pretend like hes the best player in the world. Common sense.

Joker's been very good defensively this year:

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/nba-defensive-rating-leaders-this-season

I know but that doesn't fit his narrative of looking back a couple years to determine how a player is playing this year...

[ReginaldDwight]

Jokic is probably the MVP of the Regular season but his defensive ability makes him somewhat of a liability over a 7 game series.

[Duke4life831]

People still going with the Jokic is a bad defensive player narrative? Jokic is much closer to playing at an All Defense level this year than he is playing at a bad defensive level this year. His defense has been just as good as any other star player this year.