40 pt games are down a lot
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40 pt games are down a lot
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40 pt games are down a lot
I noticed how few 40 pt games there seems to be this season and decided to try and look up the difference between this season and last and found that we've only had 18 so far this year(including Ingram's today) through roughly 30% of the season while last year there were 97 such games in only 72 games played.
So on a game to game basis it's way less. Roughly .048 per nba game played this year season compared to .090 last season. Beal and Lillard under performing is some of it but star players seem to be finding it harder to put up 40 now. Harden only had 3 last year so his drop off isn't changing much.
So on a game to game basis it's way less. Roughly .048 per nba game played this year season compared to .090 last season. Beal and Lillard under performing is some of it but star players seem to be finding it harder to put up 40 now. Harden only had 3 last year so his drop off isn't changing much.
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Teams are averaging 107.5pts this year. Last year it was 112.1.
Thank god, as it was just spiraling upward and upward to junky All-Star game levels. New rule changes hopefully playing a major role. But maybe crowds do too in inspiring some defensive pride.
Thank god, as it was just spiraling upward and upward to junky All-Star game levels. New rule changes hopefully playing a major role. But maybe crowds do too in inspiring some defensive pride.
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Thank god these overinflated stats have come down some.
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Probably about 5 points a game from the rules they changed to lower stupid fouls, as well as the combined better defence you can play, as well as the new ball alot of people hate.
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links135 wrote:Probably about 5 points a game from the rules they changed to lower stupid fouls, as well as the combined better defence you can play, as well as the new ball alot of people hate.
its lettign the coaches shine on both ends. before calling plays was pointless if you have a star because pnr then beg foul is the best possible offense.
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Scoring is definitely down.
Last season 5 players averaged at least 28ppg led by Curry's 32ppg. This season only Durant is at 28+ at 28.6ppg.
3 of the top scorers from last season also have yet to play a game - Zion (27.0), Kyrie (26.9) and Kawhi (24.8)
Last season 5 players averaged at least 28ppg led by Curry's 32ppg. This season only Durant is at 28+ at 28.6ppg.
3 of the top scorers from last season also have yet to play a game - Zion (27.0), Kyrie (26.9) and Kawhi (24.8)
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at least we dont see fake 30ppg scorers who would struggle score 25 in mj era.
Doncic will be goat. Lauri will be his sidekick.
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DroseReturnChi wrote:at least we dont see fake 30ppg scorers who would struggle score 25 in mj era.
You’re right, we don’t see that. Because they don’t exist.
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Bring back hand checking.
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I feel like Donic/Harden are feeling the new rule change the most.
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God Squad wrote:I feel like Donic/Harden are feeling the new rule change the most.
I don't think it's affecting Doncic too much. His stats are quite comparable to last years apart from averaging 2 points less, but it's because he is shooting worse across the board.
With Harden it obviously messed him up quite bad
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So it turns out that rules have an impact on scoring
How surprising!
How surprising!
Tinseltown wrote:True Story wrote:KD is the best player in the NBA.
Kevin Durant is a better scorer than Jordan
MJ was never this efficient
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Wagonband wrote:God Squad wrote:I feel like Donic/Harden are feeling the new rule change the most.
I don't think it's affecting Doncic too much. His stats are quite comparable to last years apart from averaging 2 points less, but it's because he is shooting worse across the board.
With Harden it obviously messed him up quite bad
Luka's FTr has plummeted and he doesn't get to the rim anymore. Whether that's due to the rule changes or his fitness level is not entirely clear, but it's certainly not just that he is shooting worse – his overall shot profile has clearly been affected as well.
Harden's FTr is actually close to his career average and up from last year. He just shoots a little less overall and hasn't been able to finish as well around the rim. Sure, he doesn't get some of the previous calls but with him, it looks more like a physical decline than anything else.
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The-Power wrote:Wagonband wrote:God Squad wrote:I feel like Donic/Harden are feeling the new rule change the most.
I don't think it's affecting Doncic too much. His stats are quite comparable to last years apart from averaging 2 points less, but it's because he is shooting worse across the board.
With Harden it obviously messed him up quite bad
Luka's FTr has plummeted and he doesn't get to the rim anymore. Whether that's due to the rule changes or his fitness level is not entirely clear, but it's certainly not just that he is shooting worse – his overall shot profile has clearly been affected as well.
That's what I noticed as well, all his percentages are down. I haven't watched many Mavs games, but I assumed it was because of awful shots and the rule change.
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Cavsfansince84 wrote:I noticed how few 40 pt games there seems to be this season and decided to try and look up the difference between this season and last and found that we've only had 18 so far this year(including Ingram's today) through roughly 30% of the season while last year there were 97 such games in only 72 games played.
So on a game to game basis it's way less. Roughly .048 per nba game played this year season compared to .090 last season. Beal and Lillard under performing is some of it but star players seem to be finding it harder to put up 40 now. Harden only had 3 last year so his drop off isn't changing much.
You really need to go back to 19 to do any comps. Last year teams were playing in empty arenas and shooting was as you'd expect much better thanks to that.
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God Squad wrote:I feel like Donic/Harden are feeling the new rule change the most.
Last year Harden took 7.3 free throws a game. This year he's taking 7.2. Coming in fat and out of shape off a serious injury is impacting harden more than the rule change (which is impacting him too).
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links135 wrote:Probably about 5 points a game from the rules they changed to lower stupid fouls, as well as the combined better defence you can play, as well as the new ball alot of people hate.
I'd forgotten about the ball, yeah that'll impact some players for sure.
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dhsilv2 wrote:God Squad wrote:I feel like Donic/Harden are feeling the new rule change the most.
Last year Harden took 7.3 free throws a game. This year he's taking 7.2. Coming in fat and out of shape off a serious injury is impacting harden more than the rule change (which is impacting him too).
You can say it's fat, rules or whatever. Either way his numbers (percentages) are down.
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God Squad wrote:dhsilv2 wrote:God Squad wrote:I feel like Donic/Harden are feeling the new rule change the most.
Last year Harden took 7.3 free throws a game. This year he's taking 7.2. Coming in fat and out of shape off a serious injury is impacting harden more than the rule change (which is impacting him too).
You can say it's fat, rules or whatever. Either way his numbers (percentages) are down.
Well his free throw rate is up from last year by a good margin. The rest is certainly down, but I'd put most on that he has no first step. The guy has a major injury he's coming back from. I doubt he looks like his old self before next season if he ever does.
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dhsilv2 wrote:links135 wrote:Probably about 5 points a game from the rules they changed to lower stupid fouls, as well as the combined better defence you can play, as well as the new ball alot of people hate.
I'd forgotten about the ball, yeah that'll impact some players for sure.
I'd say almost nothing to do with the ball and everything to do with rule changes. Looking at stats, FT percentage is the only one where defense doesn't play a part (apologies to all the fans who wave dumb plastic fingers and blown-up crying Lebron faces). FT shooting is down less than half a percent and virtually the same as 2019-20. It's the other percentages that are down a little more than mere statistical deviance would cover.
Pace is down about 1 percent but the most notable difference is in free throws per field goal attempt--that's down about a whopping 8 percent. That's rule change.
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